Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[nexgencpu]

Ookla had pretty positive view on Sprint, and they said 93% of their test on Sprint were taken on LTE.

 

So take your pick which figures you trust more. Open signal seems the least reliable for Sprint users and would have probably been more apt to trust sensory more since Sprint power users contributed more consistently.

 

But at the end of the day crowdsource data(even sensory) based info always should be taken with a grain of salt.

[kg4icg]

My problem with open signal was that it always crashes on me in the middle of its use.

 

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[Ascertion]

My problem with open signal was that it always crashes on me in the middle of its use.

 

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It depends on the device.  On my Nexus 5x, it crashes often but on my GS7 it doesn't.  Not exactly sure what the differences are, but I do agree, the inconsistency is noticeable.

[Trip]

Does 8T8R max out at 3 carriers?

 

 

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That was the impression I was under, but lilotimz says otherwise.

 

- Trip

[nexgencpu]

That was the impression I was under, but lilotimz says otherwise.

 

- Trip

5 carriers on non CA mode 3 in CA.

[Trip]

5 carriers on non CA mode 3 in CA.

 

So to have CA and 5 or 6 carriers, as I keep hearing the future holds, you'll need two sets of B41 gear, right?  That's what I thought, which is why I made my suggestion about the Clear gear.

 

And to be clear, I was referring to sites where Sprint and Clear are co-located or nearly co-located. 

 

- Trip

[Flompholph]

The 8t8r antenna can be run at 8t8r 3 carriers or 4t4r 6 carriers[split the 8t8r 3 and 3].

[greenbastard]

I often see Clear B41 at -122 or so, but the service doesn't actually work, so pointing out that it holds on that long doesn't actually mean anything.

 

- Trip

I can attest to this. (Nexus likes to hold on to weaker B41 at times for some odd reason). The following is from a Clear-only tower that is visible and only 2000 feet away from me, but fades quickly once inside. Internet won't work at this signal level (as you can see by the exclamation point). And even if it does, the download is slower than a weak 3G that comes from a tower that is further away from me. Sprint would really benefit from a full conversion in this area, but sadly they're in no rush to do so. (Tower also used to have Nextel as its main tenant, but now only has Clearwire equipment).

 

[Paynefanbro]

My phone drops around -113dbm on Band 41.

 

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[avb]

Clear towers give me uploads of about 300Kbs at -110dBm signal, while at the same signal strength Sprint b41 will give me 2-3.5Mbs uploads.

[lilotimz]

Clear towers give me uploads of about 300Kbs at -110dBm signal, while at the same signal strength Sprint b41 will give me 2-3.5Mbs uploads.

The difference between 8Rx vs 4Rx at the eNB.

 

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[kamiller42]

Ookla had pretty positive view on Sprint, and they said 93% of their test on Sprint were taken on LTE.

 

So take your pick which figures you trust more. Open signal seems the least reliable for Sprint users and would have probably been more apt to trust sensory more since Sprint power users contributed more consistently.

 

But at the end of the day crowdsource data(even sensory) based info always should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Every crowd sourced report, e.g. OpenSignal, Sensorly, Ookla, should include a breakdown of carrier usage. Preference or lack of affects the weighting of results.

 

OpenSignal said their tests were the results of billions of test given by 120k users. What's the makeup of those 120k users? 50k T-Mobile users and the remaining 70k divided among the remaining 3?

[Deval]

Functional? That's Debatable. But definitely not "perfectly". The equipment is the reason why Band 41 doesn't go indoors once you get past a 1000 feet from the tower in many places. Clear wire equipment makes Band 41 into a glorified Wifi Hotspot.

 

They need to be replaced.

 

It's all relative. I'm in a mixed ALU/Samsung market in NYC and it works great handing off between sites and filling gaps. I find my devices usually are on B41 70% of the time, if not more.

[Deval]

cough cough Pittsburgh is Samsung..cough cough

 

Wasn't aware of what market OP was in

[sunmybun]

3x carrier aggregation without the density like others have mentioned will do nothing, but just islands of high speeds. Sprint has had 1.2 billions credit of 8T8R radios on their balance sheets for three quarters now, and Mr. Bolivia refuse to use it why? Waiting for Hillary to take over so Sprint is sold to the Germans/Tmobile because the way things are is not longer Massa buying them, but other other way around.

 

Small cells are great, but are only effective after you blank a market with such band, and still has spotty coverage. Open signal shows Sprint has a long way to go.

I dont understand this. What does Hillary have to with the wireless industry. And why would they let DT buy Sprint after everythings thats been done?

 

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[bipbapbam]

The 8t8r antenna can be run at 8t8r 3 carriers or 4t4r 6 carriers[split the 8t8r 3 and 3].

Do which would be the better configuration once the technology gets to this point? 3 carriers 8T8R or 6 carriers 4T4R?

 

 

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[ingenium]

Ookla had pretty positive view on Sprint, and they said 93% of their test on Sprint were taken on LTE.

 

So take your pick which figures you trust more. Open signal seems the least reliable for Sprint users and would have probably been more apt to trust sensory more since Sprint power users contributed more consistently.

 

But at the end of the day crowdsource data(even sensory) based info always should be taken with a grain of salt.

With Ookla or any speed test app, there is a selection bias. People often test their speed when they feel it's fast, or when it feels slow. So it's not a true random sampling of a carrier's speed.

 

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[nexgencpu]

With Ookla or any speed test app, there is a selection bias. People often test their speed when they feel it's fast, or when it feels slow. So it's not a true random sampling of a carrier's speed.

 

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That's my point, all these non scientific testing apps have big downsides. I think its a bit more reliable when testing is done repeatedly under the same conditions.

 

Sprint probably still has a shit ton of single band and non CA devices out there. Crowd source really isn't a reliable way to test the current state of the network. Its more of a "regular folks experience" type of app. But even that can be extremely skewed depending on quite a few other factors.

[menecer]

When I tried open signal, the thing I hated about it was that every time I made a phone call the phone goes to 3g and it counts that. Then when I hang up on the call the split second it reacquire LTE it counts that as no service.

 

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[RedSpark]

That's my point, all these non scientific testing apps have big downsides. I think its a bit more reliable when testing is done repeatedly under the same conditions.

 

Sprint probably still has a shit ton of single band and non CA devices out there. Crowd source really isn't a reliable way to test the current state of the network. Its more of a "regular folks experience" type of app. But even that can be extremely skewed depending on quite a few other factors.

 

 

Sprint does have quite a few non-triband and non-CA devices out there.

 

Quarterly Investor Update (Fiscal 1Q2016) (July 25, 2016)

 

• Tri-band LTE phones represented 73 percent of the 25.3 million ending postpaid phone connection base compared to 46 percent at the end of the year-ago quarter and 69 percent at the end of the prior quarter. During the quarter, 91 percent of postpaid phones sold were tri-band.
• Smartphones represented 93 percent of the ending postpaid phone connection base compared to 89 percent at the end of the year-ago quarter and 92 percent at the end of the prior quarter. During the quarter, 97 percent of postpaid phones sold were smartphones.
• Carrier aggregation capable phones, which allow for higher data speeds, were 74 percent of postpaid phones sold during the quarter, increasing the number of these phones within the phone base to 35 percent.

[caspar347]

Do which would be the better configuration once the technology gets to this point? 3 carriers 8T8R or 6 carriers 4T4R?

 

 

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I'm not an expert on the subject, but IIRC the benefits lost going from 8 to 4 mostly involve cell edge performance (MIMO would be impacted if we had devices with more Tx antennas but that's not gonna be an issue any time soon).

 

So (again if I recall correctly) the plan is to switch to 6-carrier 4T4R configuration in super-ultra-extreme capacity-constrained locations where there are a ton of sites (density and cell edge performance are not a problem) and the absolute highest Mbps capacity possible is required. Like around a stadium or an airport without a B41-capable DAS.

 

And that can be done on a site by site basis without impacting sites nearby.

 

Other sites will be kept in 3-carrier 8T8R mode for the cell edge performance (coverage) benefits. The great part is Sprint is super-flexible here.

 

Y'all feel free to correct me but that's what I remember.

[nexgencpu]

More small cells going live in NY, and looks like we are about to get a big influx very very soon...

 

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/1901-network-visionlte-new-york-city-market/?p=485177

[grapkoski]

Going to Miami next week. I hope the speed and coverage is decent there.

 

Miami Beach is blazin if that is where you plan to spend most of your time.

[mnjeepmale]

Miami Beach is blazin if that is where you plan to spend most of your time.

Intercontinential Miami will be spending most of my time. Thought Miami would have great coverage and speeds. 

[Joey SR]

Miami Beach is blazin if that is where you plan to spend most of your time.

Intercontinential Miami will be spending most of my time. Thought Miami would have great coverage and speeds.

I just left miami beach and wouldnt call it "blazin". However it is usable.

 

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