Everything 800mhz (1xA, LTE, coverage, timeline, etc)

[ericdabbs]

Just a quick question regarding 800mhz and IBEZ. I live in NE Ohio and I see that there are quite a few sites being upgraded. Exactly what kind of upgrade has been done when it says 3G/800 and what is the IBEZ and how does that effect the bands that I will be able to receive?

 

Right now 3G/800 accepted means only CDMA 800 is accepted.  No 3G/800 accepted sites thus far have LTE 800 accepted.  I am sure Robert would let us know when the first LTE 800 sites are accepted.  

 

What I am curious is if there are sites that are already a few sites upgraded to LTE 800 and are waiting to flip the switch since triband LTE hotspots are going to be launched tomorrow.

[gr8nuguy]

Means that cdma 1x at 800smr is accepted and the 3g means new NV panels have Bern installed and accepted, however may not be hooked up to new backhaul

 

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[WiWavelength]

...and what is the IBEZ and how does that effect the bands that I will be able to receive?

 

It is a delicious root beer.

 

 

But most bands prefer actual beer.

 

AJ

[SID3232]

Thank you for the clarification. Either of you have anything on this IBEZ? Does this restrict my area from having LTE 800?

[Dkoellerwx]

Thank you for the clarification. Either of you have anything on this IBEZ? Does this restrict my area from having LTE 800?

 

For the time being, it probably will. We know that they are deploying 1x on 800 at lower power to help with the transition from legacy Motorola equipment to NV Samsung equipment. But I don't know if they will be able to do the same for LTE. I'm guess not, until they come to an agreement with Canada. 

[SID3232]

For the time being, it probably will. We know that they are deploying 1x on 800 at lower power to help with the transition from legacy Motorola equipment to NV Samsung equipment. But I don't know if they will be able to do the same for LTE. I'm guess not, until they come to an agreement with Canada. 

Thank you, I thought that might be the case.

[TyrellCorpse]

For those of you who have 800 voice, how is the handoff between 800 and 1900, any dropped calls?

[linhpham2]

What are the expected speeds for 800 mhz LTE? Similar to what it is now for 1900 mhz lte?  I get 3-4 mbps for urban areas now , around 9-25 mbps in the suburbs where I live.

[digiblur]

What are the expected speeds for 800 mhz LTE? Similar to what it is now for 1900 mhz lte? I get 3-4 mbps for urban areas now , around 9-25 mbps in the suburbs where I live.

It will be 5mhz in most areas so the same as PCS LTE.

[linhpham2]

It will be 5mhz in most areas so the same as PCS LTE.

 

I know it'll be a 5x5 mhz channel for 800 smr, like it is for 1900 mhz. But what speeds (..as in mbps) can I expect for 800 lte?

[ericdabbs]

What are the expected speeds for 800 mhz LTE? Similar to what it is now for 1900 mhz lte? I get 3-4 mbps for urban areas now , around 9-25 mbps in the suburbs where I live.

Speeds for 800 LTE will be the same as the current 1900 LTE. The main difference will obviously be the increased coverage and building penetration.

 

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[linhpham2]

Speeds for 800 LTE will be the same as the current 1900 LTE. The main difference will obviously be the increased coverage and building penetration.

 

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 Ok cool. I wasn't sure because I kept reading online how 800 mhz didn't have as much "capacity" as the higher bands (e.g, 1900 and 2500/2600.) Wasn't sure how to interpret "capacity" into something more useful and understandable.

[jroepcke51]

My question is how 800 will work.  Will it be as current voice is working with Andriod.  If 800 voice is available, it stays there and jumps if necessary or will it stay on 1900 and look for a stronger signal if necessary.

[digiblur]

Ok cool. I wasn't sure because I kept reading online how 800 mhz didn't have as much "capacity" as the higher bands (e.g, 1900 and 2500/2600.) Wasn't sure how to interpret "capacity" into something more useful and understandable.

5mhz is 5mhz no matter how you dice it.

 

There is a little more than 5mhz on 2.5 so that's why you hear it has more capacity.

[TyrellCorpse]

I know it'll be a 5x5 mhz channel for 800 smr, like it is for 1900 mhz. But what speeds (..as in mbps) can I expect for 800 lte?

 

I get near 30Mbps best case on 1900 LTE but obviously load on the tower, distance, obstructions etc can lower it.  800 will help you get better signal indoors.  You'd think they would prioritize 1900 first so 800 LTE is only used when you can't get a 1900 signal.  This should help keep load off 800 and only used when needed.

Edited July 20, 2013 by TyrellCorpse

[Dkoellerwx]

 Ok cool. I wasn't sure because I kept reading online how 800 mhz didn't have as much "capacity" as the higher bands (e.g, 1900 and 2500/2600.) Wasn't sure how to interpret "capacity" into something more useful and understandable.

 

The only reason I can think of that someone would say that 800 has lower capacity, is it's potential to reach more people, putting more load on that particular part of the network. But, that really doesn't say anything about the capacity, just that more people can use it.

 

If done properly, only people out of range of 1900 and 2500 should be on 800, so that extra reach shouldn't result in more people, meaning it should perform close to 1900. Obviously, if you are out of range of 1900, you're probably not going to have the best signal on 800, so it's likely that you won't see the 30Mbps+ speeds you see on 1900, but it should still work fine. 

[linhpham2]

I get near 30Mbps best case on 1900 LTE but obviously load on the tower, distance, obstructions etc can lower it.  800 will help you get better signal indoors.  You'd think they would prioritize 1900 first so 800 LTE is only used when you can't get a 1900 signal.  This should help keep load off 800 and only used when needed.

 

Someone will probably write a custom PRL to give 800 LTE first priority. 

[gr8nuguy]

Someone will probably write a custom PRL to give 800 LTE first priority.

I actually doubt PRL will control the LTE connectivity

 

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[IamMrFamous07]

Does the Samsung galaxy phones prl prioritize 800 first before 1900? I upgraded from the galaxy s3 to the htc one and now I can't connect to 800 to save my life. I live in a Shentel market

[Dkoellerwx]

Does the Samsung galaxy phones prl prioritize 800 first before 1900? I upgraded from the galaxy s3 to the htc one and now I can't connect to 800 to save my life. I live in a Shentel market

 

I don't know that it's prioritized, just that they scan for it first. Once you are locked onto one of the networks, it's not going to switch to the other unless you completely lose one. (generally 1900 you'll lose). I don't know for sure.  

[Thomas L.]

I don't know that it's prioritized, just that they scan for it first. Once you are locked onto one of the networks, it's not going to switch to the other unless you completely lose one. (generally 1900 you'll lose). I don't know for sure.  

 

I hope that Sprint is smart and has the phones switch over to 800mhz LTE before 1900 LTE is so weak it is completely unusable. That is to say, I hope it doesn't hang on to 1900 LTE even when it's so weak it's totally useless. 

[chamb]

I hope that Sprint is smart and has the phones switch over to 800mhz LTE before 1900 LTE is so weak it is completely unusable. That is to say, I hope it doesn't hang on to 1900 LTE even when it's so weak it's totally useless. 

You sure are thinking the way I think.  The phones should use 1900 for LTE as long as it is a strong enough signal to give good service.  The moment you move into an area with a weaker signal that degrades performance on 1900, the phones should switch over to 800 LTE.  So far, I have not seen any comments that confirm this will work as we suggest.  Sprint sure should make ever effort to make it work this way.  The 2600 LTE should figure into this too.  I am not sure just where that should fit.  Maybe even first priority, but it sure will not be available in many places for quite awhile yet. The key is to make the transfer between bands seamless and make the transfer happen BEFORE the service gets crappy.

[DaQue]

I wonder if doing that is possible. Seems to be a no brainer on how it should work. 

[S4GRU]

On triband, purportedly the priority order is 2600, 1900, 800. Sprint will have the ability to have your device select an LTE band based on performance too, not just signal strength. Custom PRL's will not be able to be made to control LTE networks. LTE network selection is not handled by PRL's.

 

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[jroepcke51]

On triband, purportedly the priority order is 2600, 1900, 800. Sprint will have the ability to have your device select an LTE band based on performance too, not just signal strength. Custom PRL's will not be able to be made to control LTE networks. LTE network selection is not handled by PRL's.Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta

Robert as always thank you.