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On 2/25/2023 at 12:25 AM, Paynefanbro said:

Sprint eNB 6953/6954 -> T-Mobile eNB 344470

Location: 40.67944996637378, -73.98364761863023

I would guess this is where eNB 6755 was located as well, from the RSRP and Cell numbering of B26 on the 312-250 map, so I will delete the pin for it.

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I know its been found all around the US already, but the keep sites are also broadcasting B41 in NYC as well, the same EARFCN as current T-Mo towers. Found it on Sprint eNB 9043 in Williamsburg yesterday.
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Just now, wispiANt said:

Permit filed to decomm the Sprint site at 304 Boerum St. So I guess we can take that off the "keep" list.

That's been happening in force around me recently, as well. A few sites are unfortunate because they provide some needed in-fill but oh well. 

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1 hour ago, PedroDaGr8 said:

That's been happening in force around me recently, as well. A few sites are unfortunate because they provide some needed in-fill but oh well. 

Now that Neville is retiring soon, they may want all Sprint decoms to occur under his watch.

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10 hours ago, wispiANt said:

Permit filed to decomm the Sprint site at 304 Boerum St. So I guess we can take that off the "keep" list.

Given the location I'm betting whoever the owner of the building is is planning to sell/redevelop the site so no lease renewal.

I feel like it's the same deal with 1063 Pacific St.

Edit: 304 Boerum was sold for $14 million just over a year ago so the new owner must've said no.

Also 1063 Pacific changed hands in 2021 as part of a group sale. New owners likely said no to that one too.

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1 hour ago, Paynefanbro said:

Given the location I'm betting whoever the owner of the building is is is planning to sell/redevelop the site so no lease renewal.

I feel like it's the same deal with 1063 Pacific St.

Edit: 304 Boerum was sold for $14 million just over a year ago so the new owner must've said no.

Also 1063 Pacific changed hands in 2021 as part of a group sale. New owners likely said no to that one too.

Could also be something ad simply as getting new roofs.

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On 12/9/2022 at 5:45 PM, Paynefanbro said:

Got a Samsung Galaxy A13 5G. It's Dual SIM and I have a cheap Boost Mobile 2GB plan for mapping AT&T in one SIM slot and an inactive T-Mobile SIM in the other but it still connects to the network. Now I'm able to map both carriers at the same time. So glad to be back in action lol.

Switched to the promotional $25 "Unlimited" Boost Mobile plan so that I can test AT&T's performance more frequently.

I also switched to a $5 Tello plan to map T-Mobile's network because my inactive T-Mobile SIM has been kind of finicky. It was a business SIM so it had access to Verizon's network via roaming and I found that it would frequently push me over to VZW and get stuck on their network in areas with weaker signal, the same areas where my iPhone would show 1-2 bars. I also realized that recently the T-Mobile SIM would get stuck on 2G and not move me over to LTE until I restarted the device. Super annoying.

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As much as I love AT&T's excessive use of small cells citywide, I've also noticed that it's no substitute for macro density (at least on the midband 5G side of things). Take a look at these speed tests in Downton Brooklyn, taken on Bridge St btwn Fulton and Willoughby. This isn't really a fair comparison considering there is a T-Mobile site pointing straight down the street but it's more to illustrate the point about AT&T.

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Three things about AT&T here:

  1. No C-band. No amount of toggling airplane mode could connect me to C-band. This is in spite of the two nearest macros having C-band antennas installed. 
  2. My phone connected to the macro for n5 but connected to a small cell (eNB 117207-49) for the the LTE side of things with a -70dBm signal, so pretty strong on the LTE side.
  3. AT&T's ping is great so I'm assuming capacity isn't an issue thanks to all of those small cells but they still struggle on the throughput side in comparison to VZW and TMUS who both have greater macro density.
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New keep sites:

  1. Sprint eNB 5782 -> T-Mobile eNB 344159
    1. Located at 40.631128643985576, -74.01866899548162
  2. Sprint eNB 6650/74793 -> T-Mobile eNB 894781
    1. Located at 40.82232944902255, -73.8167720163949

Sites on the keep site map that are now live:

  1. Sprint eNB 9294 -> T-Mobile eNB 874561
  2. Sprint eNB 9987/9988 -> T-Mobile eNB 331079

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Drove around Staten Island trying to confirm some sites for AT&T specifically but also got to test out that new Tello SIM. No more drops to 2G or switching over to VZW which is great. I've spotted a lot of DoD antennas in Staten Island but I couldn't connect to it on any of them. Also spotted a Link5G that's actually a location where there aren't any macros nearby.

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(spot the signature AT&T slight uptilt for maximum range)

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Also figured I'd share this speed test that I did while out there. Great speeds for 40+40 n41.

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I've actually been doing the same thing. On my s23 ultra I got the Boost infinite Sim as the physical Sim activated. And I have the electronic Sim activated as well and I switch between depending on location to check speeds and coverage and I'm not dropping my line that's active with T-Mobile at the moment that's for sure and even the speeds along the Metro-North the Boost Sim running over AT&T's network, I've checked are kind of horrendous compared to T-Mobile service. So actually kind of disappointed and AT&T's network which I knew was the case but I didn't know it was that bad.

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That's not to say it's bad all of the time. Their performance just lags T-Mobile and Verizon. Both of these tests were done outdoors on different sites in Crown Heights. The first was done while standing right in front of the site and the other was done outdoors about a quarter mile from the site w/o line of sight. AT&T will probably improve a ton on the speed side once they get more DoD spectrum deployed and they have access to the full 80MHz of C-band here. Their loaded pings could use some work though.

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Sites broadcasting keep PLMN:

  1. Sprint eNB 79875 located at 40.826362068044936, -73.92218591640425
  2. Sprint eNB 6801 located at 40.8328577437497, -73.9282779016007
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51 minutes ago, T-MoblieUser207 said:

Sprint eNB 5862, the BQE billboard site, is now live as T-Mobile eNB 216162.

One more! Sprint eNB 81393 is now T-Mobile eNB 307641

Location: 40.73821436023412, -73.99052297757794

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Permits submitted for conversion of: 

  1. Sprint eNB 5888 located at: 40.62612420782191, -73.93492681183974
  2. Sprint eNB 74215 located at: 40.76799258032864, -73.96145498789635
  3. Sprint eNB 6705 (This is already on the keep site map)

 

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Completed conversions:

  1. Sprint eNB 74159 ->T-Mobile eNB 315013
    1. Located at 40.77920256366785, -73.98366535050262
       
  2. Sprint eNB eNB ID 899078/899079 -> T-Mobile eNB 219280
    1. Located at 40.83020468769792, -73.94832166648911

 

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Sprint eNB 253884 located right next to the Manhattan Bridge doesn't seem to be broadcasting the keep PLMN anymore.

 

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On 3/14/2023 at 3:23 PM, Paynefanbro said:

That's not to say it's bad all of the time. Their performance just lags T-Mobile and Verizon. Both of these tests were done outdoors on different sites in Crown Heights. The first was done while standing right in front of the site and the other was done outdoors about a quarter mile from the site w/o line of sight. AT&T will probably improve a ton on the speed side once they get more DoD spectrum deployed and they have access to the full 80MHz of C-band here. 

I didn't know they had access to 80 MHz of c-band that does change some things then once that's online

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5 hours ago, transitwatch889 said:

I didn't know they had access to 80 MHz of c-band that does change some things then once that's online

Yup 80MHz C-band + 40MHz DoD for a total of 120MHz. They should be pretty well setup post-clearance.

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Famous Verizon site on Atlantic referenced in this reddit post got moved to the top of the building next door.

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Also looks like I mapped a T-Mobile oDAS node eNB 347812 in Brooklyn Heights. Streetview shows it as one of the CC nodes with no antenna on top as of May 2022 but this specific eNB was first mapped this month. I didn't notice that I mapped it until I got home but the range on it is significantly greater than the normal "antenna-less" nodes T-Mobile deploys. I'm wondering if it got upgraded to the new 5G oDAS design but I won't be able to check it out until next weekend.

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The DAS at LGA Terminal B actually has n41 at 100+20, but if you are deprioritized, good luck on the busy days, as all the bands are congested, even B41 and n41, with data being worse than 128kbps international roaming. It has SA active for n41 as well.

The L train tunnel is actually 80+20 for n41, with SA n41 active. Speeds aren't anything compared to Philadelphia's DAS system that has n41 though.
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The gig+ upgrades are expanding, as eNBs 894588 (Sprint convert site) and 55987 can both pass 1 Gbps now. Clocked nearly 1.3Gbps on eNB 55987 today.
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  1. Sprint eNB 5777 -> T-Mobile eNB 219211
    1. Located at 40.598077070553046, -74.06554695233527
    2. I actually passed by this site last summer when I was searching for Staten Island keep sites and at the time it wasn't broadcasting the keep PLMN. 
  2. Sprint eNB 74209 -> T-Mobile eNB 219521
    1. Located at 40.763144172633055, -73.97134451879535
    2. This Sprint conversion replaces a decommisioned Band 66-only site across the street (eNB 42185).

Sprint eNB 196271 that's on the keep site map as converted but not live is live now. It's T-Mobile eNB 331073.

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Also the Sprint conversion on the billboard next to the BQE in Red Hook is a gigabit site.

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Really cool blog post from OpenSignal giving a broad overview over the mobile network experience in NYC. 

https://www.opensignal.com/2023/03/30/localized-analysis-reveals-huge-network-experience-gaps-between-mobile-users-in-the-us

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Opensignal looked at the mobile network experience in New York City across its five boroughs, to determine the proportion of New Yorkers who have on average poor quality video services, low download speeds, and severe issues with connecting to the mobile networks.

10.6% of Opensignal smartphone users in Staten Island experience video services rated as Poor (below 48 points), on average, followed by Brooklyn (11.7%) and Queens (11.9%). Meanwhile, a higher percentage of our users in Manhattan and the Bronx see Poor Video Experience — 14% and 15.3%, respectively.

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Across all New York City boroughs, Staten Island has the smallest proportion of users who enjoy average download speeds of 100Mbps or faster — only 17.4%, slightly lower than the Bronx (18.9%). Manhattan (27.8%), Brooklyn (33.3%), and Queens (34%) observe much higher segments of users with average download speeds above 100Mbps — and see a much higher variance in their average users’ scores than Staten Island.

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Staten Island sees the smallest proportion of users who struggle with connecting to mobile networks — only 2.1% of mobile users in this borough spend 5% or more of the time with no signal, followed by the Bronx (3.2% of mobile users) and Brooklyn (4.4%). On the other hand, Manhattan and Queens dwellers find it even more challenging to connect to a mobile signal, as 8% of users in each of these boroughs spend 5% or more of their time with no signal. Notably, 5% of mobile users in Queens see even higher time with no signal — 10% or more of the time — which is the highest proportion of users in this segment across all New York City boroughs.

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Another new Dish site going up in Brooklyn. I’m able to see it out my window and watched it go from nothing to a full sector with antenna up today. Corner of Myrtle Av and Ashland Pl with Tmo and vzw. I see no work permits for the building (218 Myrtle Ave) so that's odd.

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Another new keep site in Gowanus.

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It's either the site near Lowe's that'll hopefully finally provide good coverage to the Home Depot on the other side of the Culver Viaduct or it's site at the corner of 5th St and Smith St. I won't be able to confirm until tomorrow.

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Edit: It's the site near Lowe's. They kept the Sprint antenna but it's not connected.

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Sprint eNBs 6300, 6269 are still live and broadcasting the keep PLMN. The S23+ doesn't map keep sites under the keep PLMN, they map under OG Sprint. I think 15848, 6178, and 6156 were also picked up, but the csv file doesn't output tower eNBs, so I'm not certain about those. Tomorrow I'll check on 6178.

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I mapped 15848 recently last week so it's definitely still live. I think I also mapped it under the Sprint PLMN on my A13 as opposed to 312-250.

While I don't think I've mapped 6178 recently my iPhone still connects to it while driving by so I know it's still live and being recognized as a keep site. I don't understand why it hasn't been upgraded yet. Every other carrier is on it so it shouldn't be such a hassle to upgrade.

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New keep sites:

  1. Sprint eNB 6705 -> T-Mobile 879271 
    1. Location: 40.700897107313175, -73.94338796296525
  2. Sprint eNB 9063 -> T-Mobile eNB 344410
    1. Location: 40.68192690523196, -73.84800823154443
  3. Sprint eNB 73989 -> T-Mobile eNB 216502
    1. Location: 40.67885867359578, -73.80499277403715

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Also confirmed that I'm mapping a bunch of Sprint keep sites under 310-120. I hit 9043, 6867, 6193, 6256, and 6178 today.

While I'm still able to manually connect to 312-250 to see if a site is a keep site or not, my phone is automatically connecting to them via the 310-120 PLMN now.

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4 hours ago, Paynefanbro said:

New keep sites:

  1. Sprint eNB 6705 -> T-Mobile 879271 
    1. Location: 40.700897107313175, -73.94338796296525
  2. Sprint eNB 9063 -> T-Mobile eNB 344410
    1. Location: 40.68192690523196, -73.84800823154443
  3. Sprint eNB 73989 -> T-Mobile eNB 216502
    1. Location: 40.67885867359578, -73.80499277403715

Added them all, and modified Sprint eNB 15941 to Converted, site not live yet. It was late when I passed by it so no pics. The typical 3 panel setup T-Mo has with the 6449 flanked by RFS panels is there.

Accidentally found Verizon on this building nearby, and it looks like there is unshrouded mmWave. Surprised no CBRS is there. eNB 81618 nearby has C-band on it, no idea about mmWave/CBRS for it because of how the panels are stacked on that roof.

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