Official Tmobile-Sprint merger discussion thread

[danlodish345]

That’ll be some ish if they did pass them up. According to that doc that was posted a few posts ago, Sprints average was 23.8. Wow the wonders of investing in the network lol. They’ve had a huge speed spike in such a short time. Whats crazy is still have PLENTY room to grow their speeds. However, I feel like T-Mobile is starting to hit their ceiling on average speeds. 

My personal best with Sprint.

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[bigsnake49]

13 hours ago, Trip said:

Isn't the point of the upcoming millimeter wave auction to provide large, ultra-wide bandwidth spectrum that will likely only be of much value in urban areas, thus providing the capacity necessary?  And isn't most of the Band 41 spectrum unlicensed in rural areas because EBS spectrum never got assigned?

- Trip

Then they would offer it in places they have 2.5 spectrum. Then there is the CBRS and LAA schemes. Then the upcoming 3.7-4.2 band (C-Band).

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[bigsnake49]

8 hours ago, danlodish345 said:

My personal best with Sprint.

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That's crazy good. All I ever get is 25Mbps.

[Paynefanbro]

19 hours ago, Trip said:

I don't know how to read this.  Why only 50%?  Are they going to offer service in Manhattan where they're dense but not in the rural areas, where the service is actually needed, because they're not dense?  Or does it mean something else entirely?

- Trip

I don't know how to read that either but from what I've read of their FCC documents, it seems like their wireless broadband is going to target folks without access to high speed broadband and low income areas, at least initially. It's mentioned in the latest document that they made for the FCC that by 2024, they'll offer download speeds of 25Mbps or greater to 52.2 Million POPs over 2.4 Million square miles to homes in rural America which corresponds to 84% or rural POPs. They also state that they believe 20-25% of new adds in 2024 will be from in-home broadband subscribers in rural areas.

[tyroned3222]

I don't know how to read that either but from what I've read of their FCC documents, it seems like their wireless broadband is going to target folks without access to high speed broadband and low income areas, at least initially. It's mentioned in the latest document that they made for the FCC that by 2024, they'll offer download speeds of 25Mbps or greater to 52.2 Million POPs over 2.4 Million square miles to homes in rural America which corresponds to 84% or rural POPs. They also state that they believe 20-25% of new adds in 2024 will be from in-home broadband subscribers in rural areas.

The combined Sprint and T-will “have sufficient capacity to offer an in-home product at a lower price than current offerings in over half of U.S. zip codes, bringing broadband choice to many consumers for the first time.”
This is how it's supposed to be read

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[Paynefanbro]

Just now, tyroned3222 said:

The combined Sprint and T-will “have sufficient capacity to offer an in-home product at a lower price than current offerings in over half of U.S. zip codes, bringing broadband choice to many consumers for the first time.”
This is how it's supposed to be read

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Ok that's more understandable to me.

[danlodish345]

Even during rush hour I get over a hundred megabytes a second

That's crazy good. All I ever get is 25Mbps.

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[red_dog007]

If the merger happens, I wonder what will happen to Sprint's roaming agreements.  Several places I go I get LTE roaming or even 1x/CDMA from VZW.  If those agreements go away I will end up with No Service as it currently stands.   

 

[brockeb1]

If the merger happens, I wonder what will happen to Sprint's roaming agreements.  Several places I go I get LTE roaming or even 1x/CDMA from VZW.  If those agreements go away I will end up with No Service as it currently stands.  [emoji20] 
 

That's a great question....however, a year from now 1x/CDMA will no longer exist on Verizon as they will be the first pure LTE network after they shut down 3G. Should make their current roaming agreements very interesting.

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[Paynefanbro]

6 minutes ago, brockeb1 said:

That's a great question....however, a year from now 1x/CDMA will no longer exist on Verizon as they will be the first pure LTE network after they shut down 3G. Should make their current roaming agreements very interesting.

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Verizon still has 1x active.

[chamb]

13 minutes ago, Paynefanbro said:

Verizon still has 1x active.

Still a whole bunch of odd stuff out there using CDMA.  Security systems,  data gathering equipment at remote locations without a conventional phone.  All this odd stuff would need to be upgraded.

[brockeb1]

Verizon still has 1x active.

That is correct. Disappearing about a year from now. Expect it sooner in most cases/places as they need the spectrum for LTE.
https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/verizon-stops-activating-cdma-3g-devices-as-network-shutdown-looms

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[tyroned3222]

That is correct. Disappearing about a year from now. Expect it sooner in most cases/places as they need the spectrum for LTE.
https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/verizon-stops-activating-cdma-3g-devices-as-network-shutdown-looms

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Places that are seeing band 5 ... I guess we should expect those markets to have CDMA shut off already I'm guessing of course

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[bigsnake49]

Verizon has a lot of 1x M2M customers. Until those are gone there will be some 1x. Probably not enough for Sprint to roam on.

[Paynefanbro]

4 minutes ago, bigsnake49 said:

Verizon has a lot of 1x M2M customers. Until those are gone there will be some 1x. Probably not enough for Sprint to roam on.

That's what I'm thinking. They may just leave a sliver of 1x left for legacy purposes but get rid of the rest.

[danlodish345]

That's what I'm thinking. They may just leave a sliver of 1x left for legacy purposes but get rid of the rest.

Would they disable cdma 1x voice and just leave data?

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[radem]

24 minutes ago, danlodish345 said:

Would they disable cdma 1x voice and just leave data?

No real reason to get rid of voice for a few years.  They could just leave a sliver of 1x CDMA in a 1900mhz guard band and the part that already exists in 800mhz.  That would satisfy any legacy M2M customers.  They may even pick up the CDMA M2M customers that are currently on Verizon when they shut theirs down if their devices are capable of using the Sprint band classes.

[danlodish345]

No real reason to get rid of voice for a few years.  They could just leave a sliver of 1x CDMA in a 1900mhz guard band and the part that already exists in 800mhz.  That would satisfy any legacy M2M customers.  They may even pick up the CDMA M2M customers that are currently on Verizon when they shut theirs down if their devices are capable of using the Sprint band classes.

If I'm not mistaken most of them are capable of using the Bands Sprint uses?

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[RAvirani]

3 minutes ago, danlodish345 said:

If I'm not mistaken most of them are capable of using the Bands Sprint uses?

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They may have BC1 support but I doubt many of them would have BC10 support. 

[danlodish345]

They may have BC1 support but I doubt many of them would have BC10 support. 

So then I agree with you. They would have to do a lot of upgrading.

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[Thomas L.]

1 hour ago, danlodish345 said:

So then I agree with you. They would have to do a lot of upgrading.

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With the incentives offered to upgrade from 2g/3g to lte modules by Verizon, I can't imagine anyone would upgrade to hardware that supports BC10 and not LTE - it such modules exist. 

[danlodish345]

That's very true as well. It all needs to be future-proof. So why not insensitize them

With the incentives offered to upgrade from 2g/3g to lte modules by Verizon, I can't imagine anyone would upgrade to hardware that supports BC10 and not LTE - it such modules exist. 

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[Thomas L.]

4 hours ago, bigsnake49 said:

Verizon has a lot of 1x M2M customers. Until those are gone there will be some 1x. Probably not enough for Sprint to roam on.

According to Verizon Enterprise, they will no longer support non-LTE devices after 12/31/19, period. AT&T shut down GSM over a year ago, there's no reason Verizon won't do the same with CDMA. 

[danlodish345]

According to Verizon Enterprise, they will no longer support non-LTE devices after 12/31/19, period. AT&T shut down GSM over a year ago, there's no reason Verizon won't do the same with CDMA. 

The only question I figure is what is going to happen to Sprint customers when Verizon shuts down CDMA altogether. I think they may try to Kabul some type of Lte roaming agreement but I don't know.

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[tyroned3222]

The only question I figure is what is going to happen to Sprint customers when Verizon shuts down CDMA altogether. I think they may try to Kabul some type of Lte roaming agreement but I don't know.

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By that time all of sprints roaming will be handle by tmo.. hoping by that time tmo would have services in these areas

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