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I remember being told for years when I lived in Nevada that because of legalized gambling (and possibly mob influences):

A.  Nevada will never host a super bowl

B.  Nevada will never be the home for a major sport franchise

Well, time makes fools of us all.  Hockey, football, baseball, super bowl.  Check, check, check, check.

Robert

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4 hours ago, S4GRU said:

I remember being told for years when I lived in Nevada that because of legalized gambling (and possibly mob influences):

A.  Nevada will never host a super bowl

B.  Nevada will never be the home for a major sport franchise

Well, time makes fools of us all.  Hockey, football, baseball, super bowl.  Check, check, check, check.

Robert

He who has all the money can make the rules.

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20 hours ago, S4GRU said:

I remember being told for years when I lived in Nevada that because of legalized gambling (and possibly mob influences):

A.  Nevada will never host a super bowl

B.  Nevada will never be the home for a major sport franchise

Well, time makes fools of us all.  Hockey, football, baseball, super bowl.  Check, check, check, check.

Robert

https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/2023/nov/17/las-vegas-re-invents-itself-as-sports-capital-of-the-world/

Crazy stuff!

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On 12/8/2023 at 10:47 PM, Rawvega said:

Kind of interesting. Are football fans more apt to be Verizon users for some reason?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/super-bowl-to-create-monstrous-demand-for-data-at-allegiant-2962274/

That's really interesting! Thanks for sharing that.

Pretty cool that all of the upgrades are staying installed. That's what's so neat about the Super Bowl every year. Each Stadium gets a massive system upgrade in rotation.

Verizon has marketing partnerships with NFL for Sunday Ticket and NFL+, so I imagine that a number of these customers are with Verizon for them.

https://www.verizon.com/plusplay/pdp/nfl/

https://www.verizon.com/plusplay/pdp/nflsundayticketfromyoutube/

Look at this Streaming Chart: https://www.nfl.com/ways-to-watch/

What a mess that is....

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Here we go:

LAS VEGAS, Nev. — Jan. 30, 2024 — No matter who they are rooting for, the Un-carrier has fans in Allegiant Stadium and beyond covered with permanent ultra-fast 5G upgrades across Las Vegas. Today, T-Mobile (NASDAQ: TMUS) announced 5G coverage and capacity enhancements inside the second most iconic Las Vegas sports venue, amping peak download speeds up to 1.2 Gbps, 10x faster than before, and peak upload speeds to a staggering 200 Mbps.

“Everyone knows Las Vegas is a hub for the biggest sports and entertainment events in the world, especially with the return of the Las Vegas Grand Prix late last year,” said Ulf Ewaldsson, President of Technology, T-Mobile. “That’s why we set the bar high and invested early in extensive permanent upgrades across the region, so T-Mobile customers can stay connected better than ever before, not just during one event, but year-round.”

With an estimated 450,000 visitors expected to flood Sin City, T-Mobile customers can once again rely on the permanent upgrades T-Mobile made in part for the Las Vegas Grand Prix, helping locals and visitors on the Un-carrier’s network stay better connected than ever before. Recent New Year’s celebrations were another great testing ground for T-Mobile. With more than 400,000 people attending celebrations along the Strip, the Un-carrier saw a 22% increase in 5G traffic compared to 2023 with a 42% increase in download throughput. It’s the perfect example of how T-Mobile’s network is built to handle Vegas crowds.

Here's how T-Mobile is supporting the Big Game with its permanent upgrades inside Allegiant Stadium:

  • 62 iDAS sectors inside the stadium with 3 sectors covering the field, covering the entire stadium with Ultra Capacity 5G.
  • 7 oDAS sectors servicing areas just outside the stadium for better coverage at celebrations happening around the stadium.
  • mmWave enhancements both inside and outside the stadium, so fans on T-Mobile’s network can quickly update their social feeds, friends and family on the latest plays with our fastest possible 5G speeds.

The Un-carrier is also supporting key celebration locations with temporary enhancements in a few additional locations:

  • Fountains of Bellagio to support users looking to catch a glimpse of the broadcast stage.
  • Mandalay Bay Parking Garage to better support tailgaters at Allegiant Stadium. Pass the hot dogs!
  • Wynn Parking Garage for enhanced coverage supporting activities around the Sphere.
  • Brooklyn Bowl enhancements to up the network experience at the NFL House hospitality zone.

Since the Las Vegas Grand Prix in November, T-Mobile has made additional permanent upgrades at additional iconic Las Vegas locations to better support locals and those visiting for the Big Game, bringing the total number of permanently upgraded locations in the last year up to 25. These include:

  • Cosmopolitan and Fontainebleau upgrades enhance the network experience for T-Mobile customers inside both locations.
  • Harry Reid International Airport mmWave upgrades ensure travelers on T-Mobile’s network have access to our fastest 5G speeds while making their way through the airport.
  • 17 more small cell sites added across the city.

T-Mobile is the fastest mobile network in Nevada (and 46 other states, plus the District of Columbia) with the best mobile video experience ­– according to Ookla and Opensignal ­–  so fans across the nation who can’t make it to the Big Game can still catch every play from their smartphone with the power of T-Mobile 5G.

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24 minutes ago, RedSpark said:

Today, T-Mobile (NASDAQ: TMUS) announced 5G coverage and capacity enhancements inside the second most iconic Las Vegas sports venue, amping peak download speeds up to 1.2 Gbps...

I immediately noticed their subtle dig at the "second most iconic" venue.. presumably they are saying #1 is, of course, T-Mobile Arena down the street. 😆

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33 minutes ago, RedSpark said:

Here's how T-Mobile is supporting the Big Game with its permanent upgrades inside Allegiant Stadium:

  • Wynn Parking Garage for enhanced coverage supporting activities around the Sphere.

A bucket list item for me would be to watch the "big game" inside the Sphere.  That thing looks amazing.

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Maybe its just me, but 'staggering' wouldn't be an adjective I'd use to describe peak upload at 200Mbps.   Not saying its bad either, but to reach 'staggering' as the no-hesitation descriptor I'd expect minimum 500 I guess heh.

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25 minutes ago, PythonFanPA said:

Maybe its just me, but 'staggering' wouldn't be an adjective I'd use to describe peak upload at 200Mbps.   Not saying its bad either, but to reach 'staggering' as the no-hesitation descriptor I'd expect minimum 500 I guess heh.

You'd need ~800MHz of mmWave to hit a per-UE max of 500Mb/s. I don't think T-Mobile has more than 400MHz of a single band in Clark county.

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1 hour ago, wispiANt said:

You'd need ~800MHz of mmWave to hit a per-UE max of 500Mb/s. I don't think T-Mobile has more than 400MHz of a single band in Clark county.

To be clear, my comment wasn't so much a statement on the technical aspect of what T-Mobile has deployed or not.  Its more just the flippant use of 'staggering' as a descriptor IMO, particularly juxtaposed against the average customer's expectation or likely perspective in the face of such usage against the volume referenced.   I feel like the average Joe on the street might see that speed and go 'Hm, that's pretty good!' maybe....but jaw dropping on the ground in awe?  Nah...doesn't really follow to me.   Just my own thoughts anyway.

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17 hours ago, PythonFanPA said:

To be clear, my comment wasn't so much a statement on the technical aspect of what T-Mobile has deployed or not.  Its more just the flippant use of 'staggering' as a descriptor IMO, particularly juxtaposed against the average customer's expectation or likely perspective in the face of such usage against the volume referenced.   I feel like the average Joe on the street might see that speed and go 'Hm, that's pretty good!' maybe....but jaw dropping on the ground in awe?  Nah...doesn't really follow to me.   Just my own thoughts anyway.

In a venue such as that, a huge number of people will be taking pictures and videos and uploading them.  Upload speed becomes very important and 200mbps may struggle when a large number of customers are uploading at the same time.

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VERIZON:

Here's info from Verizon for comparison:

https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizons-commitment-las-vegas-community

Las Vegas Network Upgrades

Over the last three years, Verizon has invested significantly nearly tripling Las Vegas’ network capacity and readying it for the 40M+ tourists and business travelers who come to the city each year. Verizon has doubled down on its 5G network in Las Vegas, laying out more than 547 miles of fiber across the city - enough for a trip from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and back again - and lighting up C-band across 52 million square feet in and around casinos on the Las Vegas Strip, the equivalent of more than 900 football fields. Las Vegas residents and visitors can now use a full 160 MHz of spectrum, which allows Verizon to provide greater bandwidth and enable higher data speeds for its customers throughout Las Vegas.

Verizon has added unmatched large capacity connections (mmWave) at the most congested areas in Las Vegas, including the Las Vegas Strip, Fremont Street and Allegiant Stadium, as well as additional upgrades in high demand areas such as the Las Vegas Convention Center and Harry Reid International Airport. These are permanent upgrades that will remain a fixture of the Las Vegas network.

At Allegiant Stadium, Verizon is delivering an exceptional network experience so fans can capture and share every Super Bowl LVIII moment. By Super Bowl, Verizon will have deployed approximately 250 5G mmWave radios covering the stadium’s seating areas, back of house, suites, lounges, press box, concourse areas and entry ways, allowing fans to watch game highlights, keep tabs on players’ stats, and use their phones for concession payments with ease.

“At Verizon, we are obsessed with delivering game-changing connectivity and ensuring our customers have a superior network experience,” said Joe Russo, EVP & President, Global Networks & Technology. “These upgrades will provide a reliable, high performing and secure experience for the Super Bowl, offering the best for Las Vegas residents and visitors for years to come.”

ICYMI:

Connecting the gridiron: Verizon's 5G network at Allegiant Stadium

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/connecting-the-gridiron-verizon-s-5g-network-at-allegiant-stadium-

Behind the scenes with Verizon 5G at Super Bowl LVIII stadium

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/behind-the-scenes-with-verizon-5g-at-super-bowl-lviii-stadium#close-modal

AT&T:

I have not' seen any press releases on AT&T yet, but found this on YouTube:

Also on Reddit:

Thoughts?

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mmWave is great for raw speed but one thing I've noticed about Verizon's mmWave iDAS (at least here in NYC) is that they seem to have a limit to how many simultaneous connections they can handle and will simply kick you off once it reaches that limit. At least 3 stadiums/arenas in the NYC area I've connected to mmWave and gotten upwards of 2Gbps and then suddenly my phone gets kicked off the network off and says SOS in the status bar. Then I have to cycle airplane mode to get connected again. I haven't experienced that with the n41 iDAS on T-Mobile at these same arenas. 

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/five-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-super-bowl-network

https://www.lightreading.com/cable-technology/cox-gears-up-for-super-bowl-lviii

Great overview here!

Also:

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/matsing-boosts-coverage-big-3-during-super-bowl

Cellular data and video traffic are showing dramatic increases in usage every year. At last year’s Super Bowl, data usage by Verizon customers spiked 57% compared to the Super Bowl in 2022 – from 30.4 TB in 2022 to 47.8 TB in 2023. The busiest times were during the halftime show and at kickoff.

For AT&T, fans at the game last year broke data records, with 5G data usage of 21 TB  increasing by 81% compared to the previous year’s game.

Very cool! Looking forward to seeing the numbers from the game.

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Numbers coming in:

Verizonhttps://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-customers-allegiant-stadium-super-bowl-lviii

NEW YORK – Verizon customers shared the championship game’s biggest moments, consuming a record amount of data on Verizon’s network in and around Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Game Day Facts

- On game day, Verizon fans used 52.34 TB of data in and around the stadium, the equivalent of playing HD video continuously for 3.3 years.

- The data usage by Verizon customers was up 9.4% over the 47.8 TB used at Super Bowl LVII in 2023.

- Verizon customers benefited from super-fast speeds in the stadium1:

  • Peak: Download speed 4,404 Mbps, Upload speed 671 Mbps
  • Median: Download speed 2,704 Mbps, Upload speed 138 Mbps
  • Verizon users experienced 3.8x faster download speeds and 3.1x faster uploads than the competition!

- 50.5% of the 61,629 attendees used Verizon’s network.

- The biggest spikes of wireless data usage occurred during:

  • Kickoff
  • Halftime show

- 70% of customers were using 5G UltraWideband, up from 63% last year.

- Verizon’s team of 65 engineers staffed Verizon’s two remote Network Command Centers 24x7 to help ensure a reliable network experience for fans, first responders and public safety teams. An additional 23 Test Force Engineers were working in and around the Stadium.

“We know that connection is essential to the fan experience and network usage during Super Bowl LVIII clearly indicates that we are creating a superior network experience for our customers,” said Joe Russo, EVP & President, Global Networks & Technology. “I want to thank our Test Force, a team of engineers and technicians, who worked tirelessly to ensure Verizon customers had the best possible game-day experience.”

The Verizon Consumer Connections Report shows that consumers are using their phones at NFL games more than ever, with the 2023-2024 season showing total average mobile network usage across all NFL stadiums was 101 MB per person, up 47% from the season prior. This upsurge means NFL stadiums must be more prepared than ever to meet the technological demands of its fans.

For this reason, Verizon spent more than two years preparing for Super Bowl LVIII. Throughout Allegiant Stadium, Verizon’s customers were served with a sophisticated, state of the art in-building network, enabling game-changing performance so fans could capture and share every Super Bowl moment. In total, Verizon deployed approximately 250 5G mmWave radios so fans could watch game highlights, keep tabs on players’ stats, and use their phones for concession payments with ease. With C-Band technology, fans were able to use a full 160 MHz of spectrum, nearly tripling the 5G bandwidth from last year’s Super Bowl.

Over the last three years, Verizon has invested significantly, nearly tripling network capacity in the Las Vegas metro and readying the city for the 40M+ tourists and business travelers who visit each year. Verizon has doubled down on its 5G network in Las Vegas, laying out more than 547 miles of fiber across the city - enough for a trip from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and back again - and lighting up C-Band across 52 million square feet in and around casinos on the Las Vegas Strip, the equivalent of more than 900 football fields. Las Vegas residents and visitors can now use a full 160 MHz of spectrum, which allows Verizon to provide greater bandwidth and enable higher data speeds for its customers throughout Las Vegas.

Verizon has added unmatched large capacity connections (mmWave) at the most congested areas in Las Vegas, including the Las Vegas Strip, Fremont Street and Allegiant Stadium, as well as additional upgrades in high demand areas such as the Las Vegas Convention Center and Harry Reid International Airport. These are permanent upgrades that will remain a fixture of the Las Vegas network.

Read more about all of Verizon’s enhancements in Allegiant Stadium and the surrounding Las Vegas area.


1 Measurement results are based on umlaut testing of 260 to 270 samples per network operator during the actual game including half time show.

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Still no numbers from AT&T and T-Mobile.

Bummer. Maybe they don't want to compete with Verizon's announced results? mmWave is hard to beat for these kinds of deployments. Add on the C-Band and Verizon had 160 MHz of 5G devoted to the Stadium.

Thoughts on what happened here?

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