Official Tmobile-Sprint merger discussion thread

[nexgencpu]

26 minutes ago, utiz4321 said:

Jobs are being lost all the time. The jobs numbers you see reported are NET.  That means minus jobs lost plus jobs added. 

T-Sprint will not add a higher count of jobs vs lost, at the end of the day, will be net loss of jobs. (by the thousands)

Too much overlap, even in the best scenario it will be a job loser.

Long term that is less clear. 

[ase500]

I am not sure why anyone thinks this merger is going to lead to job losses in the short term that would intersect with political issues. In the short term mergers nearly always generate job gains as the companies integrate. This will be especially true in this case as there is physical equipment to be moved. Long term yes jobs will be lost but why would any politician care about the long term. In this case we are talking a network integration time of 3 years and at the same time network upgrades. Feet on the ground will be needed. Many of this pool of labor is the voter trump would be trying to influence. Upper and upper middle class isn't his wheelhouse.

[utiz4321]

1 hour ago, nexgencpu said:

T-Sprint will not add a higher count of jobs vs lost, at the end of the day, will be net loss of jobs. (by the thousands)

Too much overlap, even in the best scenario it will be a job loser.

Long term that is less clear. 

Sprint and Tmobile are not going to lie to regulators. The risks are too great. Even if it lead to 10000 jobs lost the economy has been adding 100000s a month. Chill out. 

[Bob Newhart]

On 11/28/2018 at 12:06 PM, utiz4321 said:

Sprint and Tmobile are not going to lie to regulators. The risks are too great. Even if it lead to 10000 jobs lost the economy has been adding 100000s a month. Chill out. 

Thanks for this misinformation.

[utiz4321]

6 hours ago, Bob Newhart said:

Thanks for this misinformation.

Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation. 

[danlodish345]

On 11/28/2018 at 1:28 PM, ase500 said:

I am not sure why anyone thinks this merger is going to lead to job losses in the short term that would intersect with political issues. In the short term mergers nearly always generate job gains as the companies integrate. This will be especially true in this case as there is physical equipment to be moved. Long term yes jobs will be lost but why would any politician care about the long term. In this case we are talking a network integration time of 3 years and at the same time network upgrades. Feet on the ground will be needed. Many of this pool of labor is the voter trump would be trying to influence. Upper and upper middle class isn't his wheelhouse.

i see the whole merger as a few things...for one a cash cow for softbank ..because in the end it saves lots of cash...and puts some positive cash flow back into soft banks profits...and that this will also make softbank give up pretty much all control to tmobile... now i can definitely say with the new incoming either senate or congress... they will definitely make em divest spectrum.. and other infrasturcture... also i have a feeling there maybe a new MNVO that comes out of this...

[ase500]

13 hours ago, danlodish345 said:

i see the whole merger as a few things...for one a cash cow for softbank ..because in the end it saves lots of cash...and puts some positive cash flow back into soft banks profits...and that this will also make softbank give up pretty much all control to tmobile... now i can definitely say with the new incoming either senate or congress... they will definitely make em divest spectrum.. and other infrasturcture... also i have a feeling there maybe a new MNVO that comes out of this...

Most of this garbled and incoherent. Softbank is not giving up much control. They get 2 seats on the board and voting stock. Had this deal just been about getting cash Softbank would have taken the deal before, when there was no seats and the stock was nonvoting. Mergers never save money in the short term, so it is always about longterm growth and overall profits. Political issues are completely nonsense, modern politics is about the short game. These are going to be freshman congressman.[FYI Congress is both the House and Senate so saying Senate or Congress makes you look ignorant] Congress has already held hearings on this. And we are at regulatory review. All Congress could really do at this point is sue to stop it, which without regulators on there side would be downright stupid.(Not saying it couldn't happen, just that it would be stupid.) Any request for divestment in spectrum is going to come from the FCC not Congress. And has almost certainly been discussed. I doubt any major divestitures will be required as much of the spectrum is the catalyst for the merger in the first place. It is quite apparent that many here simply do not understand the process of mergers or the government involvement in them. 

[danlodish345]

I was unsure of which one to say so I said both just for the sake of saying it. therefore I'm not ignorant. So therefore the attitude is not warranted. But I still see two seats on the board and voting stock as minimal control. They obviously don't want to give up most of the control to T-Mobile. That was an issue for SoftBank in the past.

Most of this garbled and incoherent. Softbank is not giving up much control. They get 2 seats on the board and voting stock. Had this deal just been about getting cash Softbank would have taken the deal before, when there was no seats and the stock was nonvoting. Mergers never save money in the short term, so it is always about longterm growth and overall profits. Political issues are completely nonsense, modern politics is about the short game. These are going to be freshman congressman.[FYI Congress is both the House and Senate so saying Senate or Congress makes you look ignorant] Congress has already held hearings on this. And we are at regulatory review. All Congress could really do at this point is sue to stop it, which without regulators on there side would be downright stupid.(Not saying it couldn't happen, just that it would be stupid.) Any request for divestment in spectrum is going to come from the FCC not Congress. And has almost certainly been discussed. I doubt any major divestitures will be required as much of the spectrum is the catalyst for the merger in the first place. It is quite apparent that many here simply do not understand the process of mergers or the government involvement in them. 

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[dkyeager]

On 12/1/2018 at 4:39 AM, ase500 said:

Softbank is not giving up much control. They get 2 seats on the board and voting stock. Had this deal just been about getting cash Softbank would have taken the deal before, when there was no seats and the stock was nonvoting. Mergers never save money in the short term, so it is always about longterm growth and overall profits. 

I doubt any major divestitures will be required as much of the spectrum is the catalyst for the merger in the first place.

The key item to watch with the FCC will be if MM bands get counted.  They could go down to almost the tower level in terms of what coverage is required.  I would certainly expect the FCC to spend a lot of time on how customer's phones are treated.

On 12/1/2018 at 7:43 AM, danlodish345 said:

They obviously don't want to give up most of the control to T-Mobile. That was an issue for SoftBank in the past.

 

The real comparison to observe in the future is if Softbank puts in more money for more control and quicker 5G or sells out at a much later date.  The closest comparison is Verizon and Vodaphone's control of Verizon Wireless.  Ultimately Verizon bought out Vodaphone. 

[danlodish345]

So pretty much Verizon owns itself?

The real comparison to observe in the future is if Softbank puts in more money for more control and quicker 5G or sells out at a much later date.  The closest comparison is Verizon and Vodaphone's control of Verizon Wireless.  Ultimately Verizon bought out Vodaphone. 

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[dkyeager]

1 minute ago, danlodish345 said:

So pretty much Verizon owns itself?

 

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Yes.  https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-completes-acquisition-vodafones-45-percent-indirect-interest-verizon-wireless

 

[nexgencpu]

Remind me again why people want this merger to happen?! 

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/12/03/metro-by-t-mobile-now-charges-a-15-fee-every-time-you-swap-phones/

[Johnner1999]

Remind me again why people want this merger to happen?! 
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/12/03/metro-by-t-mobile-now-charges-a-15-fee-every-time-you-swap-phones/

Keep the eye on the prize — it’s about customers and spectrum.


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[BlueAngel]

24 minutes ago, nexgencpu said:

Remind me again why people want this merger to happen?! 

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/12/03/metro-by-t-mobile-now-charges-a-15-fee-every-time-you-swap-phones/

Still cheaper than using Verizon or AT&T, I priced out a comparable plan with Verizon the other day, I pay roughly $~200 a month for two lines unlimited everything HD streaming etc with  the best plan and Verizon for a somewhat comparable plan with video only at 720p would be just under $300 a month screw that.

Edited December 4, 2018 by BlueAngel

[nexgencpu]

8 minutes ago, BlueAngel said:

Still cheaper than using Verizon or AT&T, I priced out a comparable plan with Verizon the other day, I pay roughly $~200 a month for two lines unlimited everything HD streaming etc with  the best plan and Verizon for a somewhat comparable plan with video only at 720p would be just under $300 a month screw that.

I swap 10-15 times a year between 5 lines. That would mean an additional $300 just to do something Sprint customers do for free. Not just that, Sprint is launching eSim support now to make things even more straight forward. 

No thanks!

[danlodish345]

I swap 10-15 times a year between 5 lines. That would mean an additional $300 just to do something Sprint customers do for free. Not just that, Sprint is launching eSim support now to make things even more straight forward. 

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/12/03/metro-by-t-mobile-now-charges-a-15-fee-every-time-you-swap-phones/. This is absolutely ridiculous

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[BlueAngel]

3 minutes ago, nexgencpu said:

I swap 10-15 times a year between 5 lines. That would mean an additional $300 just to do something Sprint customers do for free. Not just that, Sprint is launching eSim support now to make things even more straight forward. 

No thanks!

I don't ever swap phones, that's unfortunate for you however.

[nexgencpu]

1 hour ago, BlueAngel said:

I don't ever swap phones, that's unfortunate for you however.

People in the tmobile reddit page are ripping them new one!

[danlodish345]

That's why I switched to Verizon prepaid. I'dont up with stupid stuff like this.

People in the tmobile reddit page are ripping Tmobile a new one!

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[nexgencpu]

1 hour ago, BlueAngel said:

I don't ever swap phones, that's unfortunate for you however.

Im hoping they never merge, and in fact, I will enjoy their separation for as long as possible.

[BlueAngel]

39 minutes ago, nexgencpu said:

People in the tmobile reddit page are ripping them new one!

If they get enough backlash I'm sure they will remove it.

[BlueAngel]

1 minute ago, nexgencpu said:

Im hoping they never merge, and in fact, I will enjoy their separation for as long as possible.

I don't see Sprint lasting long without a merger, the service is already falling behind the others, had a friend switch from at&t and they immediately regretted their decision and went back. 

[nexgencpu]

2 minutes ago, BlueAngel said:

I don't see Sprint lasting long without a merger, the service is already falling behind the others, had a friend switch from at&t and they immediately regretted their decision and went back. 

Not in my city, Sprint is currently the fastest! Especially after LTE-A was pushed out a couple of weeks ago!

https://twitter.com/SprintCTO/status/1068227212233633792

[danlodish345]

I feel bad for Sprint being taken over by such a crappy company.

I don't see Sprint lasting long without a merger, the service is already falling behind the others, had a friend switch from at&t and they immediately regretted their decision and went back. 

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[Johnner1999]

I feel bad for Sprint being taken over by such a crappy company.


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