WiWavelength Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The coverage map is a mess, still too small and too many colors. You want fewer colors? That would mean less delineation, less gradation. Do you actually want less information? You cannot have it both ways. And the colors of the Data coverage map tool are nicely orthogonal -- unlike many of the almost indistinguishable shades of the same color that other operators use to obfuscate their network coverage shortcomings. AJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAvirani Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 You want fewer colors? That would mean less delineation, less gradation. Do you actually want less information? You cannot have it both ways. And the colors of the Data coverage map tool are nicely orthogonal -- unlike many of the almost indistinguishable shades of the same color that other operators use to obfuscate their network coverage shortcomings. AJ I like it better when the coverage map has closer colors. Like how project Fi coverage looks a lot better than sprints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshieZ Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 The coverage map is a mess, still too small and too many colors. My only gripe is that the purple color is a little too close in shades. Off the top of my head don't they have like 3 or 4 different shades of purple going on? If the colors where a couple shades lighter/darker from one another, I believe that would really clean up the roaming on the map. And to also beat the dead horse... a larger coverage map. But I think overall I'm glad they went with a lot of "different" colors, because each one really stands out. You can tell exactly where there is LTE, Spark/Enhanced LTE and where it's still falling back to 3G easily. It would be terrible if they decided to go with different shades of Orange to depict all LTE service. The yellow on orange on purple works well IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickie546 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Coverage maps are showing lte roaming for lg4 now. Rickie Sent from my LGLS991 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Coverage maps are showing lte roaming for lg4 now. Rickie Sent from my LGLS991 using Tapatalk Interesting. The Nexus 5X does not show LTE roaming still. - Trip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Interesting. The Nexus 5X does not show LTE roaming still. A remote possibility, albeit one we have to consider, is that some unlocked, third party handsets may not receive all Sprint network features, such as LTE roaming or band 41 2x CA. We certainly have seen some 2x CA concerns among the three unlocked, third party handsets this fall. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingenium Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 A remote possibility, albeit one we have to consider, is that some unlocked, third party handsets may not receive all Sprint network features, such as LTE roaming or band 41 2x CA. We certainly have seen some 2x CA concerns among the three unlocked, third party handsets this fall. AJ I believe the 6p does 2x CA successfully at least. I was able to pull a speed test of 75 mbit on B41, which should be faster than a single carrier can do. Sent from my Nexus 6P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I believe the 6p does 2x CA successfully at least. I was able to pull a speed test of 75 mbit on B41, which should be faster than a single carrier can do. Yes, band 41 2x CA may be working on the Nexus 6P. But I do not keep track of speed tests, nor do I consider them reliable. Regardless, band 41 can do 75 Mbps downlink on a single carrier. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeblue Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I like it better when the coverage map has closer colors. Like how project Fi coverage looks a lot better than sprints I actually think Clear did a real nice job with their coverage map and the color scheme on Sprint's map is less as perfect. People who are color blind can't even get the different networks etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWMaloney Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Group 1 = Band 5 Group 2 = Band 5 + Band 2 Group 3 = Band 5 + Band 2 + Band 12 Group 4 = Band 2 + Band 25 EDIT: And yes, there is quite a bit of LTE Roaming+ which only appears in Group 4 (meaning it's band 25 only) -- CCA / RRPP? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Group 1 = Band 5 Group 2 = Band 5 + Band 2 Group 3 = Band 5 + Band 2 + Band 12 Group 4 = Band 2 + Band 25 EDIT: And yes, there is quite a bit of LTE Roaming+ which only appears in Group 4 (meaning it's band 25 only) -- CCA / RRPP? How did you come to determine those group and band associations? Did you find some embedded metadata during your map mining process? Regardless, I would take any of the Sprint coverage tool LTE roaming maps with a grain of salt right now. It may take a few weeks or even months to get settled. For example, Rickie posted earlier today that the LG G4 is one of the devices that can be selected and shows LTE roaming footprint now. However, the map is of one of the groups, not the broadest LTE roaming footprint -- even though the LG G4 is a Sprint variant handset and fully CCA/RRPP compliant across all bands. To elaborate a bit further, those handsets that can be selected and display any LTE roaming footprint right now all seem to default to group 4. The differences in Nex-Tech Wireless coverage in Kansas show this quite clearly. So, maybe the only LTE roaming presently accessible is band 2, band 25, or both via MFBI. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Group 1 = Band 5 Group 2 = Band 5 + Band 2 Group 3 = Band 5 + Band 2 + Band 12 Group 4 = Band 2 + Band 25 EDIT: And yes, there is quite a bit of LTE Roaming+ which only appears in Group 4 (meaning it's band 25 only) -- CCA / RRPP? Yes, to follow up again, you or Sprint will need to double check the group and band associations. Nex-Tech Wireless in Kansas holds no Cellular 850 MHz spectrum, so band 5 is out of the question. However, what you show as group 1 has LTE roaming coverage within the Nex-Tech footprint. That cannot be band 5. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismheim Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 LTE roaming is nice, but it makes that 100/300MB limit seem a lot smaller. My sister went through her entire roaming allowance tonight. I know data use is data use, but LTE makes it much easier to use up vs evdo/1x. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWMaloney Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yes, to follow up again, you or Sprint will need to double check the group and band associations. Nex-Tech Wireless in Kansas holds no Cellular 850 MHz spectrum, so band 5 is out of the question. However, what you show as group 1 has LTE roaming coverage within the Nex-Tech footprint. That cannot be band 5. It's band 12. I'll run through it again later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It's band 12. I'll run through it again later. Nex-Tech holds Lower 700 MHz licenses, so band 12 makes sense. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 LTE roaming is nice, but it makes that 100/300MB limit seem a lot smaller. My sister went through her entire roaming allowance tonight. I know data use is data use, but LTE makes it much easier to use up vs evdo/1x. That is on the person. We make no excuses here. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkoellerwx Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Nex-Tech holds Lower 700 MHz licenses, so band 12 makes sense. AJ Seems odd that the G4 specific map would only show the Band 2/25 roaming. I can't think of any reason for that, other than maybe they're not done or put the wrong one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismheim Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 That is on the person. We make no excuses here. AJ I'm not making any excuses. But they may want to reevaluate roaming on a whole. They give far better international options than they do for domestic. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'm not making any excuses. But they may want to reevaluate roaming on a whole. They give far better international options than they do for domestic. How about no data roaming? Does that sound good? It could happen. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismheim Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 How about no data roaming? Does that sound good? It could happen. AJ Sure, if they also make my plan cheaper or actually follow through on their planned network expansion in a timely manner. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Sure, if they also make my plan cheaper or actually follow through on their planned network expansion in a timely manner. No, sorry, you signed on under previous or current circumstances. Sprint does not owe you anything more. No lower plan costs, no network expansion. That is a dose of reality. Maybe the future will be different. But we do not know. And that is my point. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismheim Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 No, sorry, you signed on under previous or current circumstances. Sprint does not owe you anything more. No lower plan costs, no network expansion. That is a dose of reality. Maybe the future will be different. But we do not know. And that is my point. AJ I was replying toward your response of removing roaming data all together. You are right, I signed on with data roaming available. I was simply stating they may want to overhaul their domestic roaming options when they have far better options available for international. And to be clear, I'm not asking for anything for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I was replying toward your response of removing roaming data all together. You are right, I signed on with data roaming available. I was simply stating they may want to overhaul their domestic roaming options when they have far better options available for international. And to be clear, I'm not asking for anything for free. Domestic data roaming is expensive. Sprint competes against VZW, USCC, etc. They do not have economic initiative to help each other at reduced roaming rates. That is not likely to change. And even if the FCC were to take action, roaming rates still would not be cheap. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travismheim Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Domestic data roaming is expensive. Sprint competes against VZW, USCC, etc. They do not have economic initiative to help each other at reduced roaming rates. That is not likely to change. And even if the FCC were to take action, roaming rates still would not be cheap. AJ I'm not asking for cheap roaming rates, I know it is expensive. I would just like any option available. On the international side, they have unlimited 2g available or 1GB of high speed plus $15/GB overage. Even if they were to charge double or triple that overage rate, it's better than having nothing available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiWavelength Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'm not asking for cheap roaming rates, I know it is expensive. I would just like any option available. On the international side, they have unlimited 2g available or 1GB of high speed plus $15/GB overage. Even if they were to charge double or triple that overage rate, it's better than having nothing available. International is a separate situation. Sprint does not compete against Vodafone, Telefonica, etc. See the difference? AJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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