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Killing off iDen and Wimax was always the goal after those Tech's were defunked.

 

Had nothing to do with desperation. But despite Sprints best efforts something always delayed their plans. From border issues with iBEZ to schools not wanting to accept Sprints offers to transition away from Wimax.

 

For the first time in a very long time, Sprint's destiny is in its own hands.

You missed the point I was making. The years before NV was conceived was years of Sprint spliting CAPEX between 3 technologies, weakening their core CDMA network to the point it was not longer competitive and a wimax network that wasn't nation wide. This forced sprint into a position where NV was the last hail marry play they had left. It was even described at the time as a "bet the company" play at the time.

 

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To this day I am still impressed with Sprint's NV 1.0 deployment, an entire brand new 3G/4G LTE network, shutting down iDEN and WiMax, re-tuning 800MHz for voice and LTE, and simultaneously adding, configuring, and optimizing LTE. A job well done!

I feel optimization could be better, especially on B26 which quite frankly for low band sucks.

 

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You missed the point I was making. The years before NV was conceived was years of Sprint spliting CAPEX between 3 technologies, weakening their core CDMA network to the point it was not longer competitive and a wimax network that wasn't nation wide. This forced sprint into a position where NV was the last hail marry play they had left. It was even described at the time as a "bet the company" play at the time.

 

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And the Hail Mary worked. Here we are still

talking about Sprint 5 years later...

 

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And the Hail Mary worked. Here we are still

talking about Sprint 5 years later...

 

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Wimax was clearwire not Sprint. Im pretty much over hearing about Wimax. Marcelo and, his Team had Nothing to do with that.

 

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CapEx for the network last year was $1.95 billion. Sprint is projecting they'll spend $3.5 to $4 billion over the 12 month period beginning last month. So no as of right now CapEx isn't the same. Sprint is expecting to spend nearly if not more than double what they spent on the network last year.

It started out the same.  Last year ended poorly.  Lets hope that this isn't a repeat.  Inflate CAPEX for 2017 to please investors, lower it every Q after. 

 

I would no be surprised to see this happen.  Sprint has extremely expensive notes due in 2018.

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You missed the point I was making. The years before NV was conceived was years of Sprint spliting CAPEX between 3 technologies, weakening their core CDMA network to the point it was not longer competitive and a wimax network that wasn't nation wide. This forced sprint into a position where NV was the last hail marry play they had left. It was even described at the time as a "bet the company" play at the time.

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Really it was just two networks, Clearwire dealt with WiMAX. Really even after Sprint bought them there wasn't a whole ton of redundancy, they kept most of that around for B41 LTE. WiMAX was shuttered more to free up the spectrum than to remove redundancy.

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Anyways, the only difference I think Sprint ought to make with giving these Magic Boxes to their customers, is to offer an incentive, such as a $5-$10 bill reduction that helps customers with the added cost of electricity, and as fair compensation for helping boost its network by taking up space inside their homes and businesses.

 

To be honest, I don't think most people look this closely at their electric bills... especially to notice a minuscule increase from this device.

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such as hpue, magic box and small cells and these are not really available to other carriers.  

 

 

But they are though...

 

HPUE: 3GPP proposed HPUE for Band 14 in Rel 11 of the LTE standard, so we should see AT&T using HPUE for their FirstNet spectrum.

 

Small cells: Verizon (and AT&T) have been deploying small cells for years. T-Mo was able to take over MetroPCS' oDAS systems in many major cities and are deploying small cells of their own. If anything, Sprint is last to this race.

 

Magic Box: T-Mobile has a very similar LTE box (I understand the differences between the two) already, but like I said when T-Mobile brought theirs out; It's a band-aid to a much larger problem.

 

They lack density and B25/26 need to be better optimized across the US. I would much rather see stronger B25/26 signal. 

 

tl;dr? Sprint is merely utilizing tools that everyone else already has...

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But they are though...

 

HPUE: 3GPP proposed HPUE for Band 14 in Rel 11 of the LTE standard, so we should see AT&T using HPUE for their FirstNet spectrum.

 

Small cells: Verizon (and AT&T) have been deploying small cells for years. T-Mo was able to take over MetroPCS' oDAS systems in many major cities. If anything, Sprint is last to this race.

 

Magic Box: T-Mobile has a very similar LTE box (I understand the differences between the two) already, but like I said when T-Mobile brought theirs out; It's a band-aid solution to a much larger problem. They lack density and B25/26 need to be better optimized across the US.

 

tl;dr? Sprint is merely utilizing tools that everyone else already has...

2.5 definitely has it's benefits and HPUE and this magic box are "mostly" unique to Sprint. Not too many carriers have options to dedicate spectrum for a "signal booster"

 

Until ATT certify their own version of HPUE, it's still unique for now.

 

Small cells are a different story all together, they have indeed been around forever. But this again is one of Sprint's strong suits since they can avoid potential interference using dedicated spectrum and due to it's high band they can minimize it's size. But the idea of small cells is not at all original to Sprint.

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But they are though...

 

Small cells: Verizon (and AT&T) have been deploying small cells for years. T-Mo was able to take over MetroPCS' oDAS systems in many major cities and are deploying small cells of their own. If anything, Sprint is last to this race.

 

In many cities this may be the case, but in Los Angeles Sprint was not the last to the race. Sprint built out an impressive network of oDAS systems in the canyons and hills around the city. This system was around far longer than the NextG sites built for MetroPCS.

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HPUE: 3GPP proposed HPUE for Band 14 in Rel 11 of the LTE standard, so we should see AT&T using HPUE for their FirstNet spectrum.

 

 

This is a first responders only band. I'm not sure why people all over the web are talking about it as if it At&t is going to use it for public use. No at&t subscriber will have access to it.
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I will have access. ????

 

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This is a first responders only band. I'm not sure why people all over the web are talking about it as if it At&t is going to use it for public use. No at&t subscriber will have access to it.

 

That's not true.

 

Consumers will have B14 access, but First Responders and other emergency personnel get 1st priority.

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This is a first responders only band. I'm not sure why people all over the web are talking about it as if it At&t is going to use it for public use. No at&t subscriber will have access to it.

That's not what I've heard. I've heard att will have access to some of it. First responders have priority first tho.

 

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You missed the point I was making. The years before NV was conceived was years of Sprint spliting CAPEX between 3 technologies, weakening their core CDMA network to the point it was not longer competitive and a wimax network that wasn't nation wide. This forced sprint into a position where NV was the last hail marry play they had left. It was even described at the time as a "bet the company" play at the time.

 

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They did nearly nothing with WiMax! Test sites, retainment sites...  and so forth... I was one of the fools that bought an HTC Smart phone with Wimax with the maditory $10 premium data fee just to use 3g the life of the phone.  Sprint kept promising Wimax deployment in the Detroit area... never really happed.     You are far too kind with Sprint.  They really should have refunded all the $10 per month premium fees for their customers who had a WiMax phone but no WiMax in their area!    

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They did nearly nothing with WiMax! Test sites, retainment sites... and so forth... I was one of the fools that bought an HTC Smart phone with Wimax with the maditory $10 premium data fee just to use 3g the life of the phone. Sprint kept promising Wimax deployment in the Detroit area... never really happed. You are far too kind with Sprint. They really should have refunded all the $10 per month premium fees for their customers who had a WiMax phone but no WiMax in their area!

Clearwire was wimax. Sprint thought clearwire was going to bring​it there. Even Sprint didn't like the whole thing. I'm tired of hearing about Wimax. It's gone, clearwire is gone and, the Sprint team from back then is gone. Marcelos team had nothing to do with that.

 

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nexgencpu summed up precisely what I had in mind regarding wiseguy321 comments.  In the era of capacity, high band spectrum and lots of it matters.  None of the other carriers have the enough spectrum to set aside for backhaul for small cells both indoors and outdoors.  

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Really it was just two networks, Clearwire dealt with WiMAX. Really even after Sprint bought them there wasn't a whole ton of redundancy, they kept most of that around for B41 LTE. WiMAX was shuttered more to free up the spectrum than to remove redundancy.

ok... I have to ask... wasn't the 2500 mHz spun off of Sprint back in the Gary Forsee days?   Sprint originally owned that spectrum... Ie I bought a WiMax phone.   Later Sprint was in trouble... Clearwire, just a puppet on a string for Sprint anyway, also never had any money!  Nearly bankrupt soon after forming. 2500 mHz went to them only to be re-bought at the time of Clearwire being bought.   It was a huge mess!

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7 years later and you're still bitter.

 

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ok... I have to ask... wasn't the 2500 mHz spun off of Sprint back in the Gary Forsee days? Sprint originally owned that spectrum... Ie I bought a WiMax phone. Later Sprint was in trouble... Clearwire was formed, 2500 mHz went to them only to be re-bought at the time of Clearwire being bought. It was a huge mess!

My question is why we are still talking about this? LTE covers what wimax didn't. It's time to move on and, get over it. Feels like a waste of time.

 

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That's not true.

 

Consumers will have B14 access, but First Responders and other emergency personnel get 1st priority.

That's not what I've heard. I've heard att will have access to some of it. First responders have priority first tho.

 

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I have read nothing alluding to this. The only thing that has been confirmed is that all first responders and FirstNet users will have access to all of At&t's current bands.

 

As a matter of fact, the following is from the first press release. See the bolded area.

 

AT&T will deliver a dedicated, interoperable network and ecosystem that will give first responders the technology they need to better communicate and collaborate across agencies and jurisdictions – local, state and national.

Unless someone can show me where at&t says the FirstNet network will be open for commercial use, then this will do nothing to enhance at&t user experience. If anything, it hurts the at&t subscribers as first responders will be able to access at&t bands and get first priority. So if a cop who is eating lunch decides to watch YouTube, at&t users in the area are SOL.

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My question is why we are still talking about this? LTE covers what wimax didn't. It's time to move on and, get over it. Feels like a waste of time.

 

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Technically, this may not be true. I believe there may still be some wimax protection sites that never got LTE conversion.

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I think that this "Magic Box" is another gimmick or fad like the whole "Direct 2 You" service.

 

 

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Technically, this may not be true. I believe there may still be some wimax protection sites that never got LTE conversion.

That still doesn't have anything to do with cities that didn't get Wimax that have LTE "now"

 

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I think that this "Magic Box" is another gimmick or fad like the whole "Direct 2 You" service.

 

 

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Gimmick or fad? It extends the LTE network indoors in places where it exists only outdoors. There will always be buildings where something like this is useful. Femtocells are more common now with more ubiqutous LTE on other providers. Not less.

 

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