Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[Terrell352]

Just now, JimBob said:

Forget 5G.  Now I want 6G.

I don't think he understands the hurdles that comes with building out a 5G network. Capex which Sprint and Tmobile lacks, health risks using mmwave since it has never been tested on humans, cities refusing to use small cells and the spectrum to have nationwide coverage in a reasonable time frame. There is alot more to this 5G game than meets the eye.

[Terrell352]

What is the theoretical max speeds down and up on a 5mhz slice of 600mhz spectrum using 5G??

[belusnecropolis]

9 minutes ago, JimBob said:

Forget 5G.  Now I want 6G.

This ambition is catching. Gotdang I love this country.

[belusnecropolis]

2 minutes ago, Terrell352 said:

What is the theoretical max speeds down and up on a 5mhz slice of 600mhz spectrum using 5G??

Good question! A lot of factors here like you mentioned above, will it run on 4x4 or 8x8? 1024QAM or less? how spectrally efficient will low band be at any of these MIMO configurations before interference or even internal harmonization occurs? Will 600 run in full duplex on NR? What is the bits/hertz/second formula for a 5g transmission?

[JonnygATL]

1 hour ago, JimBob said:

Forget 5G.  Now I want 6G.

This idiot. At least his diatribes amuse me. But, yes, less red tape would be beneficial if we are to extract whatever useful nugget is imbedded therein.

[ingenium]

On 2/18/2019 at 1:22 PM, Flompholph said:

Does everyone for that cell sector use 256 qam?

Not sure if you were asking this question or answering it, but the speed increases only apply on a per UE basis, and doesn't directly affect others (more on that below). A (very technically inaccurate) analogy would be that each user has let's say 5 seconds to receive an incoming transfer before having to wait for their turn again. 256 QAM is a more efficient encoding that means more data can be sent in that 5 seconds. It would be like listening to someone speak, but being able to add extra "words"/data by varying the tone of other words, so that you need 33% fewer words to say the same thing. In a noisy environment (ie weak signal), you can't really hear the tone, so you have to revert to saying all the words (16 or 64 QAM).

That being said, it can indirectly increase speeds for other users. Since a UE using 256 QAM will download faster, it will be finished faster, freeing up airlink to be used for other UEs.

[Johnner1999]

Trump tweets are somewhat meaningless to most outcomes, but, to me it signifies a trend of moving towards a future where deploying the next new networks will be met with less red tape.

Who knew 6g would be so hard


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[JonnygATL]

I want 9G, dag nabbit! But I'll settle for eight and a half 😂

[dro1984]

This is really out of wack....     How can T Mobile and Sprint compete against these Capex figures?!   If this isn't an argument for the merger, than I don't know  what is.    Especially when you consider that the balk of the underground infrastructure is owned by AT&T and Verizon!     $23 Billion from At&T and $17 billion from Verizon.. it's crazy.  

T Mobile capex priorities.   Sprint didn't even make the list.  

 

From Market Realist and Wallstreet Journal:

[nexgencpu]

51 minutes ago, dro1984 said:

This is really out of wack....     How can T Mobile and Sprint compete against these Capex figures?!   If this isn't an argument for the merger, than I don't know  what is.    Especially when you consider that the balk of the underground infrastructure is owned by AT&T and Verizon!     $23 Billion from At&T and $17 billion from Verizon.. it's crazy.  

T Mobile capex priorities.   Sprint didn't even make the list.  

 

From Market Realist and Wallstreet Journal:

 You do realize that ATT and V's Capex does include other expendatures unrelated to wireless.

[Paynefanbro]

1 hour ago, dro1984 said:

This is really out of wack....     How can T Mobile and Sprint compete against these Capex figures?!   If this isn't an argument for the merger, than I don't know  what is.    Especially when you consider that the balk of the underground infrastructure is owned by AT&T and Verizon!     $23 Billion from At&T and $17 billion from Verizon.. it's crazy.  

T Mobile capex priorities.   Sprint didn't even make the list.  

 

From Market Realist and Wallstreet Journal:

Sprint's capex guidance for 2019 is similar to T-Mobile's so how they aren't on the chart makes no sense to me. 

[BlueAngel]

3 hours ago, Paynefanbro said:

Sprint's capex guidance for 2019 is similar to T-Mobile's so how they aren't on the chart makes no sense to me. 

Because everyone hates Sprint.

[S4GRU]

42 minutes ago, BlueAngel said:

Because everyone hates Sprint.

Not everyone  

[BlueAngel]

22 minutes ago, S4GRU said:

Not everyone  

Any tech site does unfortunately, they're stuck back in the 2011 mindset. They've come a long way since then.

[dro1984]

Sprint not being on there (I think) is because a lot of Wall street already assumes Sprint and T Mobile are to be together soon and also their investment is about the same as T Mo.      

With all that being said, it's amazing that Sprint has been able to do as much as it has with it' smaller Capex.     

The market is a "Duopoly"  when your next biggest wireless competitor can spend 4x the amount you can on capex.    Not sure how Sprint and T Mobile separately can compete long term against the "big 2" or "Dumb and Dumber"  as John Legree like to say.    I understand the need to merge.

Nextgencpu:

from : Simply and Safe Dividends.com:

Verizon routinely invests more than $16 billion annually to increase the capacity and reliability of its wireless network. 

It also goes on to say Verizon is the first to market with 5G ( through fixed base broadband)

Full article base off their quarterly report: 

Verizon's investment in it's Wireless Network outlook for 2019

AT&T Wireless Capex $25B:

AT&T and Verizon's Wireless Capex

Edited February 22, 2019 by dro1984

[bigsnake49]

It's exactly why Sprint and T-Mobile should merge. The size of their Capex individually cannot compete, together at least they are in the ball park.

Also remember that Sprint let their Capex lapse and lag for a number of years. It has only picked up lately.

[Tengen31]

It's exactly why Sprint and T-Mobile should merge. The size of their Capex individually cannot compete, together at least they are in the ball park.
Also remember that Sprint let their Capex lapse and lag for a number of years. It has only picked up lately.

Plus Sprint could be in trouble with the high cost of Samsung and apple devices if people start switching to cheaper one plus devices that don't work on Sprint. I'm done with Samsung over their prices.

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[bigsnake49]

15 minutes ago, Tengen31 said:

Plus Sprint could be in trouble with the high cost of Samsung and apple devices if people start switching to cheaper one plus devices that don't work on Sprint. I'm done with Samsung over their prices.

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There are plenty of cheaper Android devices that work on Sprint, eg Motorola. 

[Tengen31]

There are plenty of cheaper Android devices that work on Sprint, eg Motorola. 

Yeah but they don't make many flagships.

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[bigsnake49]

Just now, Tengen31 said:

Yeah but they don't make many flagships.

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You have LG for that.

[Tengen31]

You have LG for that.

There not cheap either. The one plus 6t costs 549. I've seen LG in the 800 range.

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[Paynefanbro]

22 minutes ago, Tengen31 said:

Plus Sprint could be in trouble with the high cost of Samsung and apple devices if people start switching to cheaper one plus devices that don't work on Sprint. I'm done with Samsung over their prices.

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OnePlus doesn't sell enough devices to even be a factor. Apple and Samsung together own over two thirds of the U.S. smartphone market. In the high end market, they probably make up 90% of it in the U.S. People will always want to buy their devices and Sprint will literally drop every other OEM before they drop Samsung or Apple. 

Luckily with Sprint moving to VoLTE, that opens the door for non-CDMA phones to work on their network. I just wish the rollout of VoLTE was slightly faster. 

[Tengen31]

OnePlus doesn't sell enough devices to even be a factor. Apple and Samsung together own over two thirds of the U.S. smartphone market. In the high end market, they probably make up 90% of it in the U.S. People will always want to buy their devices and Sprint will literally drop every other OEM before they drop Samsung or Apple. 

Luckily with Sprint moving to VoLTE, that opens the door for non-CDMA phones to work on their network. I just wish the rollout of VoLTE was slightly faster. 

Yeah I know volte will help however they still relie on CDMA to much. I'm getting impatient waiting for Volte on my s9+. Had it on my S8 and it worked fine. Not sure what the hold up is.

 

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[stlman314]

1 minute ago, Tengen31 said:

Yeah I know volte will help however they still relie on CDMA to much. I'm getting impatient waiting for Volte on my s9+. Had it on my S8 and it worked fine. Not sure what the hold up is.

 

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You and me both. I have the G7 and waiting on it is very frustrating 

[Tengen31]

You and me both. I have the G7 and waiting on it is very frustrating 

I have the unlocked model. When VOLTE is up on all devices I would like to see them one up att and do it unlocked phones where att drops to H+ on calls on unlocked phones. Tho with att 3G shutdown in 2022 they will have to change that. Volte did pop up on my S9 one time and it worked. Then it when away and never came back

 

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