Steve Perlman claims to have a new approach to revolutionize wireless networks w pCell/Artemis

[bigsnake49]

Yeah, I got that after a little more reading, did you read the first comment? Really interesting:

 

While at first glance it looks like nothing more than CoMP in conjunction with CloudRAN, CoMP achieves its interference mitigation by basically coordinating the assignment of certain subcarriers to user devices at the CloudRan level. Which part of the LTE-Advanced spec therefore patented under FRAND. There is more than that goes on in the Artemis Networks system. They have filed for more than 100 patents. I wish I had the time to look at them all and try to decipher. I think I will wait for the white paper and then also wait for any independent lab and real world tests.

Edited February 24, 2014 by bigsnake49

[CaptainSlow]

Interesting. Wonder how Ericsson's Dot compares to Artemis' pCell:

 

SoftBank Trials Ericsson's Dot Indoors

 

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/small-cells/softbank-trials-ericssons-dot-indoors/d/d-id/707906

Edited February 24, 2014 by CaptainSlow

[milan03]

Seems like the things are already moving!

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/artemis-files/PureWave-Artemis+Press+Release+-+24-Feb-2014.pdf

[khammondnm]

Seems like the things are already moving!

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/artemis-files/PureWave-Artemis+Press+Release+-+24-Feb-2014.pdf

This could be revolutionary to a society that craves "connectedness".  I had serious doubts about supplying the needs of a connected world, but, I think this guy is definitely thinking in a creative and innovative way that may lead to great change! 

[milan03]

Another very nice writeup: http://akbars.net/how-steve-perlmans-revolutionary-wireless-technology-works-and-why-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-realizes.html

 

Could pCell transmit wireless power?

[Rawvega]

Another very nice writeup: http://akbars.net/how-steve-perlmans-revolutionary-wireless-technology-works-and-why-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-realizes.html

 

Could pCell transmit wireless power?

 

That would be...transformative, to put it very mildly.

[bigsnake49]

Another very nice writeup: http://akbars.net/how-steve-perlmans-revolutionary-wireless-technology-works-and-why-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-realizes.html

 

Could pCell transmit wireless power?

 

Wow, talking about a revolution!

[bigsnake49]

On the communications side, it positions Sprint to use its BRS/EBS spectrum holdings as wireless broadband and not just for mobile phones. As we speculated, the problem will be both the fronthaul (from the C-RAN) to the antennas but backhaul (from the C-RAN to the backbone). Which brings me to what I have been advocating for a long time. Sprint/Softbank needs to buy some fiber loops owning companies. Pronto!!!!

 

Can you imagine the savings in rent from adopting this kind of archtecture?

[dnicekid]

Another very nice writeup: http://akbars.net/how-steve-perlmans-revolutionary-wireless-technology-works-and-why-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-realizes.html Could pCell transmit wireless power?

 

 

WOW! Just thinking about the endless possibilities, great find!

[dnicekid]

On the communications side, it positions Sprint to use its BRS/EBS spectrum holdings as wireless broadband and not just for mobile phones. As we speculated, the problem will be both the fronthaul (from the C-RAN) to the antennas but backhaul (from the C-RAN to the backbone). Which brings me to what I have been advocating for a long time. Sprint/Softbank needs to buy some fiber loops owning companies. Pronto!!!! Can you imagine the savings in rent from adopting this kind of archtecture?

 

Skip the tmo buyout and buy fiber with all the money saved!

[miguell2]

Another very nice writeup: http://akbars.net/how-steve-perlmans-revolutionary-wireless-technology-works-and-why-its-a-bigger-deal-than-anyone-realizes.html

 

Could pCell transmit wireless power?

He uses the same example I talked about regarding adaptive optics  

[xdfgf]

 Which brings me to what I have been advocating for a long time. Sprint/Softbank needs to buy some fiber loops owning companies. Pronto!!!!

 

 

 

Agreed

[Conan Kudo]

5.       pCell works in any band, not just mobile and not just licensed. We can't comment on our carrier relationships, but we are working in more than the one licensed band referenced in this discussion group. And, we also are working in unlicensed spectrum. As it turns out, we ended up using 3 bands, 1 UHF, 2 microwave (can't say precisely which, because it would identify the partner that owns the spectrum) across the demos in the various videos and Columbia, just because what was set up when we had a window to shoot and/or where we had a license to do the demo (licenses are location-specific). We work in unlicensed spectrum (compatibly with LTE in 900MHz, which is unlicensed in the Americas), and also have done extensive testing in HF for ionospheric pCell up to about 45 miles away, but traveling 300 miles up and back from the ionosphere. pCell tech works great at even such long distances, and it also verifies that pCell size remains the same regardless of distance (it's proportional to wavelength). So, the range is really only limited by the MRC  of the power of the pWave radios reaching the user.

 

I might be being nitpicky here, but this confusion about the 900MHz band is something that annoys me. Why do you think that the Eurasian 900MHz band is unlicensed in the Americas? Or that LTE devices can operate on that band?

 

The US "900MHz band" is 26MHz wide at 902-928MHz. It's unpaired, and jam packed with stuff from cordless telephones to specialty modems for D2D communications. More accurately, its official designation is the "915MHz band." And outside of the US and Canada, you can't use it anymore. Mexico allows it in some places, but most of Latin America has reallocated to the 900MHz cellular band, which is a paired band. The 900MHz cellular band is 2x35MHz wide at 880-915 / 925-960 MHz. The only reason this band exists is because Europe couldn't release the 850MHz band when it developed and launched GSM (ISM services in Europe operate in a variable length 868MHz band spanning from either 863-870 MHz or 865-870 MHz, depending on the country).

[Mobilesolutions]

I might be being nitpicky here, but this confusion about the 900MHz band is something that annoys me. Why do you think that the Eurasian 900MHz band is unlicensed in the Americas? Or that LTE devices can operate on that band?

 

The US "900MHz band" is 26MHz wide at 902-928MHz. It's unpaired, and jam packed with stuff from cordless telephones to specialty modems for D2D communications. More accurately, its official designation is the "915MHz band." And outside of the US and Canada, you can't use it anymore. Mexico allows it in some places, but most of Latin America has reallocated to the 900MHz cellular band, which is a paired band. The 900MHz cellular band is 2x35MHz wide at 880-915 / 925-960 MHz. The only reason this band exists is because Europe couldn't release the 850MHz band when it developed and launched GSM (ISM services in Europe operate in a variable length 868MHz band spanning from either 863-870 MHz or 865-870 MHz, depending on the country).

Ive been able to operate on 900MHz through mild interferance. It is mitagatable in most sutualtions.

[bigsnake49]

Ive been able to operate on 900MHz through mild interferance. It is mitagatable in most sutualtions.

Our ex-WISP gave us great service with Canopy radios on 900MHz. If he ever left his configuration alone he's still be our ISP.

[milan03]

Great questions. We're glad you're interested.

Any news on that more detailed white paper yet? 

[jamisonshaw125]

http://www.businessinsider.com/dish-network-and-artemis-partnering-to-make-cell-phone-internet-1000-times-faster-than-4g-2014-4?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+(Business+Insider)

 

 

 

 

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[anthony.spina97]

I'm VERY interested to see how this turns out. I can't wait to see what comes of it!

 

-Anthony

[jamisonshaw125]

I'm VERY interested to see how this turns out. I can't wait to see what comes of it!

 

-Anthony

I am too. Especially since I heard some rumors in some articles about a dish-sprint-softbank partnership. Oh, the possibilities!

 

 

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[bucdenny]

Interesting.  Compatible with LTE?

 

http://www.artemis.com/pcell

[jamisonshaw125]

Interesting. Compatible with LTE?

 

http://www.artemis.com/pcell

It should be.

 

 

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[bucdenny]

Look at the live demo.  

[TaiKing]

Yeah its supposed to work great with LTE, that was one of their biggest selling points back when it was announced. Here's a quote from when we were first discussing it where they addressed several questions that came up about it during the discussion, it summarizes some of the biggest potential for this pretty well.

 

Hi, I let Steve Perlman know about your questions and he just got to me and said he read through all of you discussion posted so far. First, he wants you to know an updated and far more detailed white paper is coming. He and Antonio had planned to have it done before the announcement, but they just ran out of time (and hit limits of human exhaustion), largely due to an unexpected ramp up demos and tech due diligence meetings covering some of the very topics you are discussing. He apologies personally for not having the whitepaper completed. This is a very different approach to wireless and he knew there would be significant questions asked that we are happy to answer. The technology not only works as advertised, but we've spent years not only making it computationally tractable and scalable, but also making it extremely practical and fast and inexpensive to deploy.

 

These answers from Steve do not answer all of your questions (the ones require long answers are best answered in the white paper), but he wanted to toss over a few. What's below is directly from Steve:

 

1.       pCell has far greater range than cellular. We can crank up power to reach a user. Cellular had to limit power to avoid interference with adjacent cells. There's some good Matlab figures in the Columbia University talk that show this (e.g. the Serendipitous antenna layout figures)

 

2.       Yes, pCell tech will give any operator (small or large) an immense competitive edge (and its subscribers far better service, in terms of throughput, consistency, coverage, lower latency and device power consumption)

 

3.       There is no modification, software or hardware, to standard LTE devices. If you take LTE test equipment made to receive and analyze a standard LTE signal and connect an antenna to it in a pCell coverage area, the device thinks it is receiving a standard LTE signal, just one that is extremely high SINR with no other users sharing the eNodeB (the LTE protocol transmitted from an LTE cell tower). An LTE phone's antenna sees the same thing: from its point of view, it is in a standard LTE cell with very high SINR, and it is only user in the cell.

 

4.       We expect to work with other infrastructure companies who will manufacture Artemis-compatible pWave radio heads and deploy them, setup front haul, and set up data centers for the C-RAN. We'll supply the software that runs on generic Linux-based servers. For example, the entire Columbia University demo, including 8 virtual eNodeBs and generating their physical layer waveforms that fed into pWave processing, and generating the physical layer waveforms for 8 radio heads was implemented in our own software-defined radio (SDR) code running on two dual 8-core Intel motherboards. It was completely real-time, with room to spare. So, we actually see ourselves as a cloud software radio company, and we're happy to work with anyone who is actually going to deploy the tech (and not interested in working with anyone planning to just sit on it).

 

5.       pCell works in any band, not just mobile and not just licensed. We can't comment on our carrier relationships, but we are working in more than the one licensed band referenced in this discussion group. And, we also are working in unlicensed spectrum. As it turns out, we ended up using 3 bands, 1 UHF, 2 microwave (can't say precisely which, because it would identify the partner that owns the spectrum) across the demos in the various videos and Columbia, just because what was set up when we had a window to shoot and/or where we had a license to do the demo (licenses are location-specific). We work in unlicensed spectrum (compatibly with LTE in 900MHz, which is unlicensed in the Americas), and also have done extensive testing in HF for ionospheric pCell up to about 45 miles away, but traveling 300 miles up and back from the ionosphere. pCell tech works great at even such long distances, and it also verifies that pCell size remains the same regardless of distance (it's proportional to wavelength). So, the range is really only limited by the MRC  of the power of the pWave radios reaching the user.

 

6.       The Columbia University demos were all done with only about 1mW of power from each pWave, including the 10MHz multiple 4K/1080p video demos. As you can see from the Matlab sims, we achieve enormous efficiencies over cellular. Cellular seeks to maintain SINR across the entire coverage area as best it can, resulting in most of the coverage area having low SINR. We only maintain high SINR exactly where the LTE devices' antennas are. The white paper will go into this in more detail.

 

7.       Lastly, the white paper won't answer every question down to the last detail (if it fully described all the layers of the pCell system as well as all the techniques we developed to make it computationally tractable and commercially practical), it would be volumes. For example, simply the technology we developed to achieve perfect reciprocity with uncalibrated RF chains (e.g. iPhones, dongle, Android phones) is an entire body of work itself (and certainly has many applications outside of pCell) that would take more than a whitepaper to explain. It was just one of the many things we had to develop to get pCell to be a drop-in wireless tech for carriers (which we knew was the only way we'd ever get something deployed rapidly).

 

So, again, apologize for announcing something "too good to be true" without the white paper backup. But we had already scheduled the Columbia demo and had to announce then. Sincerely, we had hit human levels of exhaustion. it is no exaggeration that we've been all getting 2-3 hours of sleep at night for the last few weeks. But it is coming. It won't answer everything, but keep asking, and we'll try to get you answers. (If you can't wait, feel free to dig through the patents that cover a lot of it.)

 

Bottom line: pCell works superbly as advertised. We appreciate and invite your hard questions. And, also, it may well be there is something we didn't think of that your questions may expose that we have to address, and indeed we will.

 

More coming later.

 

*SGP*

 

[bigsnake49]

That will be a great partnership, since Dish has or will get the media rights for online TV. As mentioned above, they might or might not need Sprint and their network for this. I would think that Dish might also be a player in the AWS-3 auction next year, particularly for the unpaired spectrum. At some point or another, a Dish/Sprint merger might make a hell of a lot of sense, particularly if a T-Mobile/Sprint merger gets rejected.

[NYC126]

At some point a merger with Dish will make sense? Oh please nobody wants to deal with uncle Charlie, and sprint has plenty of spectrum in the 2.5 band. So if this tech is the real deal for long term sprint could cut a deal with the maker of its particular tech.