Comments related to the NV Running List Thread

[S4GRU]

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Is it poossible to get a map of the country that shows each Network Vision site instead of looking at each map individually? Or do you have this map on the site already and I missed it?

 

Justin[/quote']

 

Justin

 

We have a Sprint market map that shows every market in the country. That's in the gallery tab.

 

As for a map that shows every single NV site? We will not likely post that to the public. I think Sprint would not appreciate that going out publicly. However we are trying to build an online tool for Sponsor members to be able to access it.

 

Robert

[Kevster1321]

Robert IMO this guys an idiot http://www.cnbc.com/...xt%7C&par=yahoo i dont think he knows alot about sprint's NV.

A next generation LTE iPhone poses new and larger risks for Sprint, because the company does not have sufficient free-and-clear spectrum to launch a competitive LTE network and lacks the money to clear spectrum that is already being used, Bernstein said

[JAndThatsIt]

Justin

 

We have a Sprint market map that shows every market in the country. That's in the gallery tab.

 

As for a map that shows every single NV site? We will not likely post that to the public. I think Sprint would not appreciate that going out publicly. However we are trying to build an online tool for Sponsor members to be able to access it.

 

Robert

 

I saw the map that shows the current coverage and the expected coverage. I don't care so much about seeing potential furture sites. Just what has already been announced here. What I was looking for was a map that consolidates all of the information you have provided for us on one map instead of several. For example, a map that shows all of what you have announced for the entire state of California, instead of having to look at each markets map. Does this make sense? Is there already a map that shows this?

[MacinJosh]

Robert IMO this guys an idiot http://www.cnbc.com/...xt%7C&par=yahoo i dont think he knows alot about sprint's NV.

A next generation LTE iPhone poses new and larger risks for Sprint, because the company does not have sufficient free-and-clear spectrum to launch a competitive LTE network and lacks the money to clear spectrum that is already being used, Bernstein said

 

 

That man just bombed my chances of breaking even on my Sprint stock in the near future unless someone comes up with a good rebuttal to his crappy words. I'm not too happy with him. And the LTE iPhone does not pose new and larger risks to Sprint. It does for at&t and Verizon, especially in cities where their new LTE networks are already showing signs of burden.

[Hypeo]

Robert, sorry to be redundant. I was on IP Chat with my phone last night and missed the announcement for Tucson/Yuma area.. would you point it out to me??

 

Thanx

 

Hypeo

[jtirloly]

The maps that you have up for all of sprints markets, are all of these markets eventually going to get the NV upgrade.

[BenChase7]

The maps that you have up for all of sprints markets, are all of these markets eventually going to get the NV upgrade.

 

As far as I know, Sprint plans on upgrading the entire network with NV, nationwide.

[pyroscott]

On one hand, you hear people ask how they can get people off 3G and onto 4G for increased efficiency and reduced operating cost. Then this clown says that moving iPhone traffic onto 4G will be traumatic for Sprint...

[MacinJosh]

On one hand, you hear people ask how they can get people off 3G and onto 4G for increased efficiency and reduced operating cost. Then this clown says that moving iPhone traffic onto 4G will be traumatic for Sprint...

 

Isn't the whole goal of NV to offload as many people as possible to the LTE 4G network? I sure thought so with VoLTE being developed and trialed around the US and the World. Isn't VoLTE a more efficient use for spectrum?

[ericdabbs]

Robert IMO this guys an idiot http://www.cnbc.com/...xt%7C&par=yahoo i dont think he knows alot about sprint's NV.

A next generation LTE iPhone poses new and larger risks for Sprint, because the company does not have sufficient free-and-clear spectrum to launch a competitive LTE network and lacks the money to clear spectrum that is already being used, Bernstein said

 

 

I am not going to listen to this clown analyst about his projections for Sprint. Obviously he doesn't know that Sprint is planning to refarm its 800 Mhz spectrum and place another 5x5 LTE carrier and with carrier aggregation it will be on par with Verizon and ATT. I guess his biggest worry is getting through Network Vision but I believe that Network Vision will do well and that Sprint customers will be very surprised when it hits their markets. Most Sprint customers nowadays have low expectations and most would consider 5-10 Mbps for LTE and 1-2 Mbps on 3G EVDO sufficient enough speeds for everyday use. Sprint should be able to hit that number with LTE.

[4ringsnbr]

Isn't the whole goal of NV to offload as many people as possible to the LTE 4G network? I sure thought so with VoLTE being developed and trialed around the US and the World. Isn't VoLTE a more efficient use for spectrum?

Not exactly...

with the 12.2 AMR vocoder used, VoLTE is about 1.7x as efficient as 1xRTT.

1xAdvanced WITHOUT receive diversity in the handset is 3x as efficient as 1xRTT (according to Qualcomm)

1xAdvanced WITH receive diversity in the handset is 4x as efficient as 1xRTT (according to Qualcomm)

 

Doing the math, this means that 1xA is 76% - 135% MORE efficient than VoLTE with current vocoders.

 

However, this analysis assumes a 1.4 or 3 MHz LTE carrier, which aren't as efficient as 1x or EVDO. Only at a 5x5 or larger configuration can LTE meet or beat 1x / EVDO spectral efficiency at a UE category 3 design.

[MacinJosh]

Not exactly...

with the 12.2 AMR vocoder used, VoLTE is about 1.7x as efficient as 1xRTT.

1xAdvanced WITHOUT receive diversity in the handset is 3x as efficient as 1xRTT (according to Qualcomm)

1xAdvanced WITH receive diversity in the handset is 4x as efficient as 1xRTT (according to Qualcomm)

 

Doing the math, this means that 1xA is 76% - 135% MORE efficient than VoLTE with current vocoders.

 

However, this analysis assumes a 1.4 or 3 MHz LTE carrier, which aren't as efficient as 1x or EVDO. Only at a 5x5 or larger configuration can LTE meet or beat 1x / EVDO spectral efficiency at a UE category 3 design.

 

Thanks for the explanation there. Is 1xA still efficient in small MHz sections if Sprint wanted to take 10 or 20 MHz from their other PCS block holdings and convert those to LTE later?

[4ringsnbr]

Thanks for the explanation there. Is 1xA still efficient in small MHz sections if Sprint wanted to take 10 or 20 MHz from their other PCS block holdings and convert those to LTE later?

I think that's the plan-- start with a 5x5 in PCS G-block and slowly add more LTE carriers in PCS as you can transfer folks from EVDO there. That's also one of the reasons they're likely to run EVDO in ESMR-- it is more efficient than LTE in smaller spectrum slots. Sprint could pretty easily run a 10x10 LTE PCS carrier in addition to their G-block PCS carrier if they need more bandwidth, especially if 80+% of the Sprint handsets can use 3G/EVDO in ESMR (like they can today).

[S4GRU]

I think that's the plan-- start with a 5x5 in PCS G-block and slowly add more LTE carriers in PCS as you can transfer folks from EVDO there. That's also one of the reasons they're likely to run EVDO in ESMR-- it is more efficient than LTE in smaller spectrum slots. Sprint could pretty easily run a 10x10 LTE PCS carrier in addition to their G-block PCS carrier if they need more bandwidth, especially if 80+% of the Sprint handsets can use 3G/EVDO in ESMR (like they can today).

 

I saw something on Friday that makes me believe they will run a 3x3 LTE carrier on SMR 800 in markets where they conflict with SouthernLINC. Like in Atlanta. But, I want to be clear, this is not confirmed yet. Stay tuned.

 

Robert

[MacinJosh]

 

I saw something on Friday that makes me believe they will run a 3x3 LTE carrier on SMR 800 in markets where they conflict with SouthernLINC. Like in Atlanta. But' date=' I want to be clear, this is not confirmed yet. Stay tuned.

 

Robert[/quote']

 

Sounds interesting. Definitely waiting to hear more.

 

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[4ringsnbr]

I saw something on Friday that makes me believe they will run a 3x3 LTE carrier on SMR 800 in markets where they conflict with SouthernLINC. Like in Atlanta. But, I want to be clear, this is not confirmed yet. Stay tuned.

 

Robert

That would be a bad idea-- in that space, they can run a 2x EVDO carrier setup for better performance. Also, EVDO is approved for use in ESMR and has about a dozen handsets in the field that support it. LTE is not yet approved in ESMR and there are no devices presently planned to support LTE in ESMR. I would think that IF they ever do any LTE in ESMR it will be after 2013 and it will be a 5x5 alongside a 1xA long after iDEN is gone. Between now and then, the 1xA is there and if they have enough holes from iDEN decommissioning, EV carriers can make good use of that space. Based upon VZW's experience, Sprint shouldn't expect more than 5-8% LTE penetration per year initially. This means the majority of the handsets in use as late as the end of 2016 will still be 3G EVDO only, but will support it in PCS and ESMR. Time will tell.

[pyroscott]

That would be a bad idea-- in that space, they can run a 2x EVDO carrier setup for better performance. Also, EVDO is approved for use in ESMR and has about a dozen handsets in the field that support it. LTE is not yet approved in ESMR and there are no devices presently planned to support LTE in ESMR. I would think that IF they ever do any LTE in ESMR it will be after 2013 and it will be a 5x5 alongside a 1xA long after iDEN is gone. Between now and then, the 1xA is there and if they have enough holes from iDEN decommissioning, EV carriers can make good use of that space. Based upon VZW's experience, Sprint shouldn't expect more than 5-8% LTE penetration per year initially. This means the majority of the handsets in use as late as the end of 2016 will still be 3G EVDO only, but will support it in PCS and ESMR. Time will tell.

I think Sprint will see LTE conversion much quicker than Verizon. Sprint has a lot more techies that will buy the LTE phones right away.

[S4GRU]

That would be a bad idea-- in that space, they can run a 2x EVDO carrier setup for better performance. Also, EVDO is approved for use in ESMR and has about a dozen handsets in the field that support it. LTE is not yet approved in ESMR and there are no devices presently planned to support LTE in ESMR. I would think that IF they ever do any LTE in ESMR it will be after 2013 and it will be a 5x5 alongside a 1xA long after iDEN is gone. Between now and then, the 1xA is there and if they have enough holes from iDEN decommissioning, EV carriers can make good use of that space. Based upon VZW's experience, Sprint shouldn't expect more than 5-8% LTE penetration per year initially. This means the majority of the handsets in use as late as the end of 2016 will still be 3G EVDO only, but will support it in PCS and ESMR. Time will tell.

 

I don't disagree. However, in the testing data I saw for the new LTE devices we reported about this weekend, each had a field that said "3MHz LTE Channel Support?" All three were marked "Y".

 

I also know that in Atlanta, the 1xA carrier is at Channel 526, instead of 476 like in most markets. So when I consider the amount of SMR spectrum left beyond the 1xA carrier, to me, I draw the conclusion that Sprint must be planning a 3x3 LTE carrier on 800 in places they put the 1xA carrier at Channel 526.

 

That's the only deduction I can take from the information I have.

 

Robert

[bigzeto]

I think Sprint will see LTE conversion much quicker than Verizon. Sprint has a lot more techies that will buy the LTE phones right away.

 

I think so too. And if the next iphone has LTE, all carriers that offer it will see lots and lots of LTE penetration.

[ericdabbs]

That would be a bad idea-- in that space, they can run a 2x EVDO carrier setup for better performance. Also, EVDO is approved for use in ESMR and has about a dozen handsets in the field that support it. LTE is not yet approved in ESMR and there are no devices presently planned to support LTE in ESMR. I would think that IF they ever do any LTE in ESMR it will be after 2013 and it will be a 5x5 alongside a 1xA long after iDEN is gone. Between now and then, the 1xA is there and if they have enough holes from iDEN decommissioning, EV carriers can make good use of that space. Based upon VZW's experience, Sprint shouldn't expect more than 5-8% LTE penetration per year initially. This means the majority of the handsets in use as late as the end of 2016 will still be 3G EVDO only, but will support it in PCS and ESMR. Time will tell.

 

Sprint currently in some markets maybe has enough 800 Mhz spectrum available to deploy a single 1xA carrier. Even now only the 817-820 Mhz is available in some markets since most if not all of the 821-824 Mhz is still be rebanded. I think by the time Sprint will be done with rebanding the entire ESMR 800 Mhz band and moving all the customers off of iDEN, they could just deploy LTE. I know it hasn't been approved yet but I would imagine that it wouldn't take that long to get FCC approval. I fully expect to hear a FCC approval before mid 2013. I don't see the point of putting EVDO at 800 Mhz when it will only be used for a very short time.

 

Hesse has clearly said in conferences that they plan to use 10 Mhz out of the 14 Mhz at 800 Mhz for LTE so we know that it will be a 5x5 configuration.

[S4GRU]

Hesse has clearly said in conferences that they plan to use 10 Mhz out of the 14 Mhz at 800 Mhz for LTE so we know that it will be a 5x5 configuration.

 

This is true. But that doesn't leave out an unspoken caveat that they may use 3x3 LTE temporarily in some markets (and possibly permanently in others). Sprint is planning to deploy one 1xA carrier on Channel 476 and one 5x5 LTE carrier on their 800 holdings in 90% of their markets.

 

Robert

[ericdabbs]

This is true. But that doesn't leave out an unspoken caveat that they may use 3x3 LTE temporarily in some markets (and possibly permanently in others). Sprint is planning to deploy one 1xA carrier on Channel 476 and one 5x5 LTE carrier on their 800 holdings in 90% of their markets.

 

Robert

 

Correct. Obviously if there are spectrum restraints in those markets where they don't have the full 14 Mhz of 800 Mhz spectrum, they will have to deploy the next best thing which is a 3x3 configuration. The point is that Sprint plans to deploy a 5x5 LTE carrier at 800 Mhz wherever possible and deploy a 3x3 LTE carrier for those areas that don't have enough spectrum.

[MacinJosh]

Why can't they just buy out SouthernLINC so that they have the rest of the SMR spectrum in the southeast that they don't already have and then they can deploy the full 5x5 carriers?

[S4GRU]

Why can't they just buy out SouthernLINC so that they have the rest of the SMR spectrum in the southeast that they don't already have and then they can deploy the full 5x5 carriers?

 

Although I don't know much about SouthernLINC, I understand they have a very loyal following. And they will be the last bastion of iDEN left. Which still remains popular for what it is. However, SL is going to start having problems getting devices built for a decent cost with the world's largest iDEN network shutting down.

 

Robert

[ericdabbs]

Why can't they just buy out SouthernLINC so that they have the rest of the SMR spectrum in the southeast that they don't already have and then they can deploy the full 5x5 carriers?

 

I love that suggestion. However, I hate the fact that Sprint doesn't have flexibility to spend more money to acquire more spectrum at this time. Right now they sprint needs to get Network Vision ASAP to as many markets. Any extra funds needs to be directed to Network Vision.