AWS-3 Auction Intermediate Results

[jroepcke51]

Clearly Sprint is vindicated in deploying WiMax to retain the 2.5Ghz licenses given the prices we're seeing for AWS. Not that anyone really doubted this, however, it shows how valuable that spectrum position is.

How much was clear wire bought for? Cheap compared to this especially since multiple carriers of 20mhz and up to three carrier aggregation.

[Boosted20V]

How much was clear wire bought for? Cheap compared to this especially since multiple carriers of 20mhz and up to three carrier aggregation.

 

I don't think the price of CLWR was a fair comparison given the control Sprint had over CLWR and their board. Effectively no other company could have bought CLWR due to Sprint's controlling interest.

[jroepcke51]

I don't think the price of CLWR was a fair comparison given the control Sprint had over CLWR and their board. Effectively no other company could have bought CLWR due to Sprint's controlling interest.

Completely agree. But in comparison, one of sprints smartest decisions in the last four years other than doing network vision.

[JosefTor]

Completely agree. But in comparison, one of sprints smartest decisions in the last four years other than doing network vision.

Agree but I think NV was done out of survival/necessity... Not anyone's good thinking or foresight.

[cdk]

Agree but I think NV was done out of survival/necessity... Not anyone's good thinking or foresight.

 

I would disagree (about the good thinking and foresight), NV probably would have been a poorly done overlay verse a full rip and replace it if survival and necessity where the only factors.

[WiWavelength]

The twin bells are cleaning house, and I bet they cockblocked tmobile in markets like Cincinnati, Spartanburg SC etc. They know where tmobile needs more AWS for wideband. Att probably came with a vengeance.

 

That will be funny if T-Mobile does get "cockblocked" again in Cincinnati, where it cannot deploy AWS-1 band 4 LTE without moving all W-CDMA to PCS band 2.  And, even then, T-Mobile has only 10 MHz of AWS-1 spectrum in Cincinnati.  So, T-Mobile desperately needs AWS-3 spectrum there.

 

AJ

[bucdenny]

Now that AWS-3 is well over 30 billion, if 600Mhz does happen would that auction it be more expensive..maybe in 40+ billion? 

[jroepcke51]

$34.1 billion.  That is a lot of money.  Would be nice to see what the government will do with this.  This is enough money to run the US gov't for what 2 to 3 days?

[JosefTor]

$34.1 billion. That is a lot of money. Would be nice to see what the government will do with this. This is enough money to run the US gov't for what 2 to 3 days?

I'm sure they plan on just giving it back to the tax payers for Christmas! ☺

[jroepcke51]

I'm sure they plan on just giving it back to the tax payers for Christmas! ☺

$34B per 350million = $97

[travismheim]

$34B per 350million = $97

How many of that 350 million actually file a return? Besides, that $97 is basically a premier sponsorship for all the s4gru members, or a nice reimbursement for all the money we keep pouring into new handsets needing the latest and greatest.

[WiWavelength]

Now that AWS-3 is well over 30 billion, if 600Mhz does happen would that auction it be more expensive..maybe in 40+ billion? 

 

Eleventy billion dollars.

 

AJ

[richy]

Eleventy billion dollars.

 

AJ

 

Probably not far off! I can see it being crazy. I can also see the owners of the 700a that havent sold to tmo yet tipexing out the decimal points in their valuations. 

 

We could spend it on education (public and private), or we could have one hell of a luau! Or a Mars mission or a moon base. It probably all just goes in 'the pot' to disappear forever.

[dmchssc]

It will go into the 'pot' to reduce the deficit we have this year, that's it.

[bigsnake49]

$38.197 as of round 37. All I know is someway somehow we'll all pay for it.

[jwang]

It will end up with bigger advantage in Verizon and ATT.

I can't imagine what the 600mhz auction will be. Maybe it will top 100 Billion.

[Yuhfhrh]

It will end up with bigger advantage in Verizon and ATT.

I can't imagine what the 600mhz auction will be. Maybe it will top 100 Billion.

 

1 trillion!

 

Maybe we can eliminate the national debt by freeing up a 20x20 swath of sub 400MHz spectrum! 

[stuckinohio1]

are you kidding me? 400MHz spectrum? every company able to bid will go nuts trying to get just 10MHz!

[WiWavelength]

are you kidding me? 400MHz spectrum? every company able to bid will go nuts trying to get just 10MHz!

 

I doubt it.  Consider that the size of the antenna panels, compared to those for 800 MHz, would be roughly double in all three dimensions.  Likely, they would be size and weight prohibitive to mount on existing sites.  So, any 400 MHz deployment probably would have to use omnidirectional antennas with no MIMO, and that would sorely limit capacity.

 

AJ

[caspar347]

I doubt it. Consider that the size of the antenna panels, compared to those for 800 MHz, would be roughly double in all three dimensions. Likely, they would be size and weight prohibitive to mount on existing sites. So, any 400 MHz deployment probably would have to use omnidirectional antennas with no MIMO, and that would sorely limit capacity.

 

AJ

Aren't there networks in Europe that use 400? How do they do it? Just curious.

[WiWavelength]

Aren't there networks in Europe that use 400? How do they do it? Just curious.

 

At one time, there were NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephone) 450 networks in Europe.  But I have never seen pictures of the antennas nor the handsets.  Most likely, they were as I described -- exposed omnidirectional antennas.

 

AJ

[stuckinohio1]

At one time, there were NMT (Nordic Mobile Telephone) 450 networks in Europe.  But I have never seen pictures of the antennas nor the handsets.  Most likely, they were as I described -- exposed omnidirectional antennas.

 

AJ

good thing that sprint has plenty of room on their racks for expansion. verizon just threw up a new tower around here and they have like 5 panels per sector. no way in hell they would be able to add another for 600MHz unless they ditched 1 per sector.

[jroepcke51]

Now that the auction has surpassed $40B and has completed round 47, how many more rounds will there be? Increasing at .56% a round is getting interesting. 

[marioc21]

Now that the auction has surpassed $40B and has completed round 47, how many more rounds will there be? Increasing at .56% a round is getting interesting. 

 

My question is, how many of these bidders will be able to follow through on these bids? 

[jroepcke51]

My question is, how many of these bidders will be able to follow through on these bids? 

That is really my point.  How many can really afford to keep the bidding going? I know Verizon and ATT really want the 10x10.