Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

[utiz4321]

I gave you a first hand experience (and one of the reasons I wouldn't want a 70 ft. tall wooden pole in front of my yard) yet you still dismiss it.

 

Some people are just to dense.

Tell you what, the day I complain of slow speeds after I stop Sprint/Mobilite from sticking a 70 ft. pole in front of my yard, then that's the day you can say the above. But as of right now, I don't believe anyone has fought a small cell and complained publicly about speeds afterwards. If you can find that person, them bring him/her forward and you can bash them all you want. Most smart homeowners will know the consequences of fighting small cells or requiring powerlines to be put underground (longer outages if something goes wrong). People have been dealing with their decisions. Unfortunately, you can't seem to accept that.

 

I made it clear that I have absolutely no problem with Sprint using existing ~40 foot telephone poles in my area. I just don't want a 70 ft. wood mast sticking out like a sore thumb.

Guy, you little story isn't proof that a 70 cell tower reduces property value. It isn't even evidence because a car port isn't a cell tower,neither is it a generalizable in any way.

 

And if you stop a wireless provider from putting in infrastructure and don't complain about sucky reception or slow speeds that is really all I am asking for. But if putting in that 70 foot tower isn't going to help anyone, as you imply, I don't know why a company would spend the money to put it in.

 

Last, carriers don't build there network based out what you find acceptable. If what you find acceptable and the infrastructure they plan to put in can earn a return that covers the cost then great. If not then people have to decide but if lived in you neighborhood i would do everything I could to allow carriers to improve their service.

 

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[WiWavelength]

Who needs utility poles! Flimflam!

 

Back in my day, we didn't have electricity, telephone, and cable television on these poles. We had oil lamps for light. For entertainment, you'd stare at the lamp until your eyes burned. If you wanted to talk to someone somewhere, you'd yell at the top of your lungs. Maybe they would hear you, maybe they wouldn't.

 

And we liked it!

 

AJ

[Deval]

*looks at neighborhoods with all underground utilities...*

 

Spend some time in NYC and you'll see how everything is underground and internet services go out daily because people cut the wrong cables.

[Paynefanbro]

Spend some time in NYC and you'll see how everything is underground and internet services go out daily because people cut the wrong cables.

My neighborhood is in this situation right now because Verizon messed something up while installing FiOS. Now Optimum internet has been in and out for the past 3 weeks.

 

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[grapkoski]

Not to continue this conversation (with passive aggressive personal jabs), but I did find this on the Googlez:

http://realtormag.realtor.org/daily-news/2014/07/25/cell-towers-antennas-problematic-for-buyers

 

Realtor Field Guide:

http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-cell-phone-towers

 

Personally, I don't really care because a house will appreciate at about the same rate as its neighbors. I am a little disheartened because I thought the whole point of NGN was to use existing right of way infrastructure to rapidly get equipment installed.

[Paynefanbro]

Not to continue this conversation (with passive aggressive personal jabs), but I did find this on the Googlez:

http://realtormag.realtor.org/daily-news/2014/07/25/cell-towers-antennas-problematic-for-buyers

 

Realtor Field Guide:

http://www.realtor.org/field-guides/field-guide-to-cell-phone-towers

 

Personally, I don't really care because a house will appreciate at about the same rate as its neighbors. I am a little disheartened because I thought the whole point of NGN was to use existing right of way infrastructure to rapidly get equipment installed.

I'm sure 99% of it is doing just that however there isn't always a pole where it would be beneficial to have one. Especially is suburban areas.

 

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[greenbastard]

Guy, you little story isn't proof that a 70 cell tower reduces property value. It isn't even evidence because a car port isn't a cell tower,neither is it a generalizable in any way.

 

You really seem to have a reading problem. What does the car port have to do with the argument? I mentioned the car port to illustrate some of the top features that came with the house. It was supposed to be one of the top tier houses that probably ended up being sold on a mid tier sale price due to the utility pole standing in the backyard. People were just turned off by it since it was the only house with a utility pole.

And if you stop a wireless provider from putting in infrastructure and don't complain about sucky reception or slow speeds that is really all I am asking for.

Are you dyslexic? How many times do I have to repeat myself? It's getting ridiculous.

 

But if putting in that 70 foot tower isn't going to help anyone, as you imply, I don't know why a company would spend the money to put it in.

 

Never mind. You definitely have a reading problem. :Facepalm:

 

Never said it wouldn't help anyone. I just said it wouldn't help ME.

Last, carriers don't build there network based out what you find acceptable.

Actually, they do. Certain communities have certain rules about what residents can and cannot build. There's a reason why no businesses can have tall signs in Katy, TX's Cinco Ranch community. Exxon, McDonalds, Wells Fargo, and even the schools have to have their signs on ground level and not in poles. Rules are rules, and nobody is exempt.

 

If what you find acceptable and the infrastructure they plan to put in can earn a return that covers the cost then great. If not then people have to decide but if lived in you neighborhood i would do everything I could to allow carriers to improve their service.

 

Cool beans. You do as you please. Heck, I think Sprint and some tower operators had a way for land owners to submit their property as potential candidates for future towers. Why not start there instead of waiting?

[greenbastard]

My neighborhood is in this situation right now because Verizon messed something up while installing FiOS. Now Optimum internet has been in and out for the past 3 weeks.

 

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Both have its upsides and downsides.

 

Where I live, powerlines run on poles. Theres an upside and downside to that. If power or Internet ever goes out, it is fixed quick. But because our utilities are exposed to the elements (especially late Spring rain), we have more frequent outages, especially during the months of April, May, and June.

 

Suburban Houston on the other hand has to deal with less outages during torrential thunderstorms. But when they do have outages, it can take up to a few days to fix.

[caspar347]

Aesthetics arguments aside, doesn't a 70ft pole kind of defeat the purpose of a "small cell?" For most areas, I don't see any reason to use anything other than the cells like what AJ posted, or what we have seen pictures from the Los Angeles area. Have any of the 70ft poles been approved, and where exactly are they attempting to install them?

 

Heck... a 70ft pole would be taller than 90% of the cell sites Sprint uses in my hometown (Springfield, MO). I'll link to a picture of one: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27292144/Towers/2013-01-05%2016.47.40.jpg

(this site has NV/B41 gear on it now - tri-band - I just don't have a picture showing the whole tower with the new gear, just close ups).

Yeah, there comes a point where I'd be worried about the small cell covering more people than the serving macro sector at that height. Here in the hilly suburbs where I'm at most of the Sprint macro installs sit right around 90 feet AGL (usually on the lowest lease level with the other three between 100 and 150 feet ) and an oddly placed small cell at that height could easily end up covering just as many or more people as a macro sector if it's on a hilltop above a recently developed area with no nearby macro.

 

And my understanding is these are just outputting a single B41 carrier compared to the 3+ a macro sector would be outputting. (2xCA; See nexgencpu's post below) Thus I doubt 70ft poles will be common.

 

Edit: and with ODAS/traditional small cells it's just one or two band 25 carriers coming out of an omni so that would make even less sense. But I don't think we've ever seen a "traditional" small cell anywhere near that tall.

[nexgencpu]

Double post *Pls delete* 

[nexgencpu]

And my understanding is these are just outputting a single B41 carrier compared to the 3+ a macro sector would be outputting. Thus I doubt 70ft poles will be common.

Actually these small cells can do 2xCA, RF engineer posted hitting over 160mbs on one.

 

Also if they are using microwave or B41 backhaul it would help pickup signal from host site.

[caspar347]

Actually these small cells can do 2xCA, RF engineer posted hitting over 160mbs on one.

 

Also if they are using microwave or B41 backhaul it would help pickup signal from host site.

Oh. That's awesome. Didn't know that. Post edited. 

 

But my point still stands. One omni sector with two B41 carriers at the same height as a three-sector macro with 3+ B41 carriers per sector doesn't make a lot of sense.

[RedSpark]

This Kansas City Star Article by Mark Davis has an important section here:

 

 

Chicago has long been an important market for Sprint. It is where the company developed the model for its decentralized management approach called One Sprint that it uses across the nation.

 

Dave Tovar, Sprint spokesman, said Chicago was first to have its own market president with responsibility for marketing, sales, network, or essentially everything. He said the RootMetrics ranking reflects the network benefit of that local focus and that Sprint is starting to see that in other markets. Chicago simply got a year’s head start, he said.

 

I'm still a believer.

[payturr]

I just caught up on all these forum pages...

"Why does Sprint need a ugly tall 70 foot poll?? Doesn't that eliminate the point of small cells!!!"

...

 

Have ALL of you forgotten that it's LTE UE Relay, that MOST sites will be receiving backhaul via band 41???

The height gives it the advantage of having a LoS signal so that we all get service. Sprint can't afford to run fiber to every small cell, so they're using UE Relay because it's more economical and faster to get up and running.

Also, who gives a hoot about the height! No one in their right mind is starring at the sky, we have cars to drive and phones to stare at.

[RedSpark]

Sprint has just overhauled its BYOD Program. You can now order a SIM Kit for free from Sprint. It's actually a 3 in 1 universal SIM card that is designed to fit in any of the eligible devices.

 

The BYOD-eligible device list has grown as well to include more devices.

[kg4icg]

Yes, here is the list so far.

 

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[gusherb]

Sprint has just overhauled its BYOD Program. You can now order a SIM Kit for free from Sprint. It's actually a 3 in 1 universal SIM card that is designed to fit in any of the eligible devices.

 

The BYOD-eligible device list has grown as well to include more devices.

It's about time they get with the times (sort of)! Though I keep reading language on that page about having it "installed" at a sprint store ie activate there. If that's the only way they'll have one activate a BYOD device is by going to the store then there's no way I'll consider this. I also don't understand why they can't make things more DIY friendly. I despise having to interact with customer service for such simple things. And it would also be nice if you could activate this on prepaid!

[RedSpark]

It's about time they get with the times (sort of)! Though I keep reading language on that page about having it "installed" at a sprint store ie activate there. If that's the only way they'll have one activate a BYOD device is by going to the store then there's no way I'll consider this. I also don't understand why they can't make things more DIY friendly. I despise having to interact with customer service for such simple things. And it would also be nice if you could activate this on prepaid!

 

Perhaps it's necessary to verify the IMEI to ensure the device isn't lost/stolen/blacklisted in person?

[Jones]

What is the special edition S7? Is it the batman edition that Samsung had announced for some Asian countries?

[avb]

Zte Axon 7 needs to be on that byod list.  It has all the Sprint bands.

[WiWavelength]

*looks at neighborhoods with all underground utilities...*

 

Underground utilities or not, neighborhoods still need streetlights.  I can post a photo of a local small cell mounted on the side of and an omni antenna on the top of a streetlight -- or maybe it is a traffic signal.  Either way, neighborhoods have those.  Now, unless this small cell is not yet active, it does not seem to be a Sprint small cell, not AT&T nor T-Mobile, for that matter.  I think it is VZW, though I would have to get it on my spectrum analyzer to know for certain

 

AJ

[gusherb]

Perhaps it's necessary to verify the IMEI to ensure the device isn't lost/stolen/blacklisted in person?

I don't see why that would be necessary in person. The others don't have a problem doing BYOD online. My concern is that as soon as I stepped into a store they would be completely clueless about BYOD, tell me that sprint doesn't do that and then try to sell me a brand new phone. I have zero faith in their retail stores after what I've encountered in them.

[RedSpark]

I don't see why that would be necessary in person. The others don't have a problem doing BYOD online. My concern is that as soon as I stepped into a store they would be completely clueless about BYOD, tell me that sprint doesn't do that and then try to sell me a brand new phone. I have zero faith in their retail stores after what I've encountered in them.

 

Perhaps it's about getting you into the retail store where you see a new and shiny (and fully network compatible) Sprint device that you can take home that day instead of BYOD.... and get a trade-in credit for your current device... so the goal is to get you in there for that?

 

Improving the sales experience is critical when doing this... but I guess that's the reason for it.

 

Don't forget the accessory sales! 

[gusherb]

Perhaps it's about getting you into the retail store where you see a new and shiny (and fully network compatible) Sprint device that you can take home that day instead of BYOD.... and get a trade-in credit for your current device... so the goal is to get you in there for that?

 

Improving the sales experience is critical when doing this... but I guess that's the reason for it.

 

Don't forget the accessory sales!

Yeah exactly why I won't go to a store!

[jamesinclair]

Random question: Data here has been really slow the past two weeks. Feels like a tower is out. Does using sprint zone to report actually help?