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Has anyone driven from the Bay Area to LA lately? Just did the drive and was surprised and disappointed at both voice and data service most of the way on the 5. Call quality was generally terrible (garbled and dropped calls) and data throughput was literally zero almost the whole time except for patches 5 or so minutes at a time. Was something odd going on, or is this just the current state of service on that route? My phone was mostly not usable.

I did the drive towards the end of April and was also extremely disappointed. Roaming was almost as bad as having no service. Meanwhile my moms AT&T work phone was pretty solid but also ran into some dead zones.

 

 

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I did the drive towards the end of April and was also extremely disappointed. Roaming was almost as bad as having no service. Meanwhile my moms AT&T work phone was pretty solid but also ran into some dead zones.

 

 

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I did the drive in June and yes, data was useless with lots of dropped calls. My HTC One M8 would get into a state where it would not call anymore. Luckily, a software update made it better inv the way back.

 

Have all the I5 towers simply been GMO'd and left for later?

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Granted California is huge and even the "all mighty" Verizon doesn't bother trying to cover some areas. So it's only natural that Sprint has some holes in their network. It's just frustrating though because the I5 is one of the major freeways that connects Northern and Southern California together so in 2014 you'd expect some reasonable amount of service along the route.

 

 

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Judging by the sponsor maps, there are a few ares where there are huge gaps in coverage along I5. The rest of I5 looks ok, but most of the sites don't have the necessary backhaul for 4G yet. I5 is absolutely the worst covered interstate (of those covered by Sprint). It's like they forgot how to site space (101 is well covered).  

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Well, it's now clear that San Francisco was at the complete bottom of metro areas when Sprint makes an announcement like this one:  "As we finish the rip and replace of our 3G network, as well as reach 471 4G LTE markets,..."

http://newsroom.sprint.com/blogs/sprint-perspectives/optimizing-americas-newest-network.htm

 

The only upside will be fast speeds we'll see now that most SF residents have left Sprint for other carriers... in another 6 months...

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Well, it's now clear that San Francisco was at the complete bottom of metro areas when Sprint makes an announcement like this one:  "As we finish the rip and replace of our 3G network, as well as reach 471 4G LTE markets,..."

http://newsroom.sprint.com/blogs/sprint-perspectives/optimizing-americas-newest-network.htm

 

The only upside will be fast speeds we'll see now that most SF residents have left Sprint for other carriers... in another 6 months...

 

You just wait! in 5 years when Sprint is done with NV 1.0 in San Francisco, things are gonna be awesome! 

 

...but seriously. Things have gotten a lot better (woo sunset and richmond!) and we know that even better things are possible (East Bay). SMR rebranding is almost complete in Northern California and there are 8T8R installations right now in parts of the East Bay and permits in SF. Things are absolute shit now, but give it a year and Sprint will be competitive in SF. 

 

Until then though, I have a nice T-Mobile SIM card paid off for the next 3 months until I go back to Chicago. 

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I don't actually understand what the whole rebranding thing is but when it's complete does that mean Sprint can start actively deploying 800 LTE? Well at least in the East Bay [emoji12][emoji16]

 

 

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Does any body what the issue is in SF? My understanding is that SF was started rather early on yet little progress has been made. Maybe Robert has some insight or anyone?

 

A perfect storm of NIMBYISM and incompetent contractors as far as we can tell. Oddly enough, permits were granted ages ago (as you can see in the Sponsor and Premier Sponsor maps for SF run by dbsynergy). In other messed up Samsung markets, people have seen the same pattern (Omaha, NE, I believe). No progress followed by a rapid GMO deployment and full build conversion. I think Sprint/Samsung are just finally whipping the contractors into gear.

 

I don't actually understand what the whole rebranding thing is but when it's complete does that mean Sprint can start actively deploying 800 LTE? Well at least in the East Bay [emoji12][emoji16]

 

 

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In many parts of the country, public safety radios operate in or near the SMR 800 spectrum that Sprint (formerly Nextel) holds. They've been experiencing interference for a while. Now they're all moving to Upper 700 spectrum so Sprint can deploy wideband LTE in the B26. In most parts of the country, all of the old spectrum holders have been moved off, but in NorCal there are still 1 or 2 speculators straggling. When they are kicked off, Sprint will be able to deploy B26 across Northern California. 

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Some of it is from reading Premier Sponsor level things, but there's a lot of information spread out on this forum in random places (that new LTE 800 rebranding thread in General Topics is a good place to start). I've been lurking for a while, I only started posting recently..there's a lot of information available. Definitely donate some and become a Sponsor! The NV complete maps are awesome. 

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I started reading that forum but I couldn't really comprehend what exactly was being said. I've also kinda started posting after being a long time member (around 2 years) but never a sponsor since I'm still in high school [emoji53]

 

 

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I started reading that forum but I couldn't really comprehend what exactly was being said. I've also kinda started posting after being a long time member (around 2 years) but never a sponsor since I'm still in high school [emoji53]

 

 

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Tread carefully in the sponsor section  ;)

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Well, it depends how you define "many".  Right now, I'm counting 11 GMO towers and another 4 without LTE in Omaha/CB area.  If SF gets launched, and come December, we still 15 towers without LTE, that's not much of a launch in my book.  

 

I know that Sprint would launch markets early on with about 50% of towers upgraded, but given how mature the LTE market has become since then, and how long Sprint's been dragging their, my patience / tolerance has eroded.  

 

Sorry, just now saw you responded.

 

Not sure how you're counting GMOs, we don't have them marked. If you've been following the NE/IA forums, you'd know that there's been at least one GMO conversion every week or two for the last several months. There were 8 GMOs in Lincoln initially. Now there are three. I don't know how many there were initially in Omaha, but many fewer than there are now.

 

With the number of towers in SF, 15 sites lacking LTE would not be noticeable, unless they were all clustered together. You realize that the reason SF hasn't been able to be launched is because of CSFB issues right? If that wasn't a problem, the sites with equipment already installed would be live and the city probably launched by now. Additionally, GMOs are perfectly capable of LTE. There are several here in my market that are GMOs that are broadcasting LTE.

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With the number of towers in SF, 15 sites lacking LTE would not be noticeable, unless they were all clustered together. You realize that the reason SF hasn't been able to be launched is because of CSFB issues right? If that wasn't a problem, the sites with equipment already installed would be live and the city probably launched by now. Additionally, GMOs are perfectly capable of LTE. There are several here in my market that are GMOs that are broadcasting LTE.

 

If eCSFB were magically switched on right now, we'd have consistent coverage over part of the Financial District, part of the Tenderloin/Nob Hill, and Pac Heights. There are just so many sites that haven't had any equipment installed yet, a lot of the sites not accepted are still legacy builds. We've seen some progress recently, but there are so many sites out there that have had no work at all, and that's what's worrying. 

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If eCSFB were magically switched on right now, we'd have consistent coverage over part of the Financial District, part of the Tenderloin/Nob Hill, and Pac Heights. There are just so many sites that haven't had any equipment installed yet, a lot of the sites not accepted are still legacy builds. We've seen some progress recently, but there are so many sites out there that have had no work at all, and that's what's worrying.

I saw Tenderloin...which made me think of meat. And when I think of meat and San Francisco, I think of Tommy's Joynt on Van Ness. Yumm...

 

OK. Back to our regularly scheduled programming!

 

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On Caltrain where LTE was full strength in Palo Alto station on University which extended over to Menlo Park.  Might be the same tower for both locations, but definitely feels like a new tower got lit up here recently.

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I feel the pain in SF. I went to a strip club the other day to celebrate my buddy's 21st bday and I couldn't get data at all. I had to wait until I was in Oakland to get some B41 so I could upload the pics and videos on fb/vine/IG.

 

I'm sure things will speed up soon.

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