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Hi, I let Steve Perlman know about your questions and he just got to me and said he read through all of you discussion posted so far. First, he wants you to know an updated and far more detailed white

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Here is a new lab video they just published today:  

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Great questions. We're glad you're interested.   at Columbia University for the Engineering faculty and students might answer a few of them...   

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I'm pretty skeptical of this for now. I am not an engineer by any means, but having dealt with more than my fair share of salesmen, company reps, and insurance people I have come to the conclusion that if it's too good be true, it probably is. I want to be wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

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I'm pretty skeptical of this for now. I am not an engineer by any means, but having dealt with more than my fair share of salesmen, company reps, and insurance people I have come to the conclusion that if it's too good be true, it probably is. I want to be wrong, but I won't hold my breath.

 

That's why you test it. And test it some more. And when you're done testing, you test it again!

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Thanks for posting.  This is very interesting!

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How does backhaul work for this tech.

If I remember what I read correctly, it is line of sight microwave.  These antenna can be solar powered as well.  The cost is minimal compared to today's cell towers. 

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I have a hard time with the fact that the people he is demoing this for are journalists and mostly not particularly technical. In the second link, it is stated that his machine sent a signal directly into a device. How do we know it isn't omnidirectional? How do we know that the signal in that mysterious little bubble around the device is at all dissimilar to the signal a few inches, feet, or yards away?

 

Eight high definition streams to eight iPhones? Any old DWL2100AP could handle that. The 4K video? Do we trust that it's actually 4K and not just UHD? Either way, 450Mbps 802.11n setup could handle that before its morning coffee. Sounds like he's demoing wifi to me. Take the device apart ans post a few pictures. Are there specialized chipsets in there or is it Broadcom or perhaps Atheros?

 

There's too much obfuscation and not enough explanation in all of this. Everything here reads like an attempt to keep us from understanding, perhaps to secure the investments of the idiot.

 

Now, am I a total radio specialist? No. I am an electrical engineer with a hobby in radio, whose business includes high speed radio connections. I would just as soon believe in subspace radio as in this.

 

The article already said those expert brought in by VC said they don't believe him

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Well you need one radio per phone... that might start getting cost prohibitive as devices get online.

 

The video in the post literally two posts above yours shows 16 devices connected to only 8 radios.

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Really interesting. From the interviews I've seen, it seems that he has NDAs with all the major carriers. 

Sprint is already testing it on BRS/EBS spectrum. Dish is also testing it.

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Sprint is already testing it on BRS/EBS spectrum. Dish is also testing it.

Source where Sprint is testing?

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Sprint is already testing it on BRS/EBS spectrum. Dish is also testing it.

The only articles I've seen are this one back in Feb stating the following..

 

The companies did not specify which cellular operators might be involved, but speculation has focused on Sprint's (NYSE:S) Clearwire unit, given that FCC documents posted last year pointed to testing of the Artemis' technology  using Clearwire's 2.5 GHz spectrum in the San Francisco area.

 

and also the one about Dish being the vendor recently last month and the one a month before that about Dish and Sprint doing trials on the same spectrum in Texas. But I don't see anything specifically stating Sprint is involved with pCell.

 

I would like to see (an) article  that does as per your statement.

 

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Source where Sprint is testing?

I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Things like that are never publicly disclosed by vendors or operators until ready for deployment.

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At 1:11:17 he totally disclosed the spectrum he's been using for testing lol... 

2.6GHz (Sprint), 2GHz (Dish), and then he quickly realized that all he's allowed to say is 900Mhz (unlicensed). So Bigsnake49 could be right ;)

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I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Things like that are never publicly disclosed by vendors or operators until ready for deployment.

 

There are so many NDAs, even NDAs have NDAs, but read between the lines. It's getting tested on 2.6GHz and 2.2 GHz. The articles above is as much public info as you are going to get.

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Perlman himself said that they're working with Dish.

 

He also gave specific examples of comparison between pCell and Sprint and Softbank LTE infrastructure. It's fairly obvious Sprint and Dish are going to need something like this.

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He also gave specific examples of comparison between pCell and Sprint and Softbank LTE infrastructure. It's fairly obvious Sprint and Dish are going to need something like this.

 

I just want to know the business plan for Sprint & Dish for using something like this. What will they use it for? Just shoring up weak spots in their coverage and/or capacity? Fixed broadband? Wireless cable? OTT? All of the above?

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