Jump to content

No SVDO nor SVLTE!!


el_oh_el88

Recommended Posts

So it turns out that (according to the verge) the cdma versions of i5 will not be able to use data and voice at the same time, regardless of 3g or 4g. One user on the apple forum explained why this may be the case; in order to save on space and battery consumption, apple (foolishly) opted for a single radio for the modem. So although the 9615 seems to support every modern relevant protocol we would use, It appears that only one mode can be active at a time.

 

Quite simply, that is trash in my opinion...we should be moving forward, not backward.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is what happens when you have a limited number of SKUs for every market in the world. You have to make compromises like this. The Galaxy S3, EVO 4g LTE, and Photon Q were all made specifically for Sprint's network and exactly the needed antenna design was put in them. With the additional LTE bands going into use for all of these networks, Apple will have to follow suit with their next phone and customize for each carrier.

 

Unless of course some magical technological changes happen in antenna design.

 

With the reasoning that this user came up with, however, At&t wouldn't be able to do simultaneous LTE and calling either, until they implement VoLTE or something similar.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Since the iPhone will likely support VoLTE at some point, the real onus should be on carriers to accelerate to VoLTE.

 

Most users I know on Sprint and Verizon don't really care, and even those who have LTE don't use SV-DO or SV-LTE.

 

Again, a case of the tech geeks being disconnected from the rest of the planet. I suspect Apple wants the industry to move to VoLTE, as it is way more in line with what they want for the future.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If this is true then what a shame. Its sad that the most profitable company in the world couldn't invest a few extra dollars per unit to give their customers a better user experience.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Since the iPhone will likely support VoLTE at some point, the real onus should be on carriers to accelerate to VoLTE.

 

Most users I know on Sprint and Verizon don't really care, and even those who have LTE don't use SV-DO or SV-LTE.

 

Again, a case of the tech geeks being disconnected from the rest of the planet. I suspect Apple wants the industry to move to VoLTE, as it is way more in line with what they want for the future.

 

Most users on sprint/verizon don't really care because its something that was never available(not until recently) based on the type of technology. At the same time someone coming from tmobile/at&t to sprint/verizon would more than likely notice it. It's important enough for att to make commercials about the fact that you could do data and voice at the same time but you couldn't on verizon. It may not cost apple anything at all but it will definitely cost the carrier.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If Apple is willing to make all their accessories vendors retool their manufacturing then don't be surprised if they do something to the detriment of their carriers.

 

Sent from my EVO LTE using Forum Runner

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I personally changed from a Galaxy Nexus to an S3 because of this and the obvious better battery life. There were just too many times I needed to use both voice and data but was unable to. I believe another reason Apple may have done this was for battery performance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I personally changed from a Galaxy Nexus to an S3 because of this and the obvious better battery life. There were just too many times I needed to use both voice and data but was unable to. I believe another reason Apple may have done this was for battery performance.

 

I do agree it is rare I use it since I don't talk on the phone much but it has been nice to use a couple times I needed it.

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess I won't get an iPhone 5 then. What a horrible and stupid thing for them to do. I was really looking forward to using iOS again. :cry:

 

:o WAIT WHAT? I can't believe what I just read!!!!!!!! :o

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It has also been learned and confirmed by Sprint, that iPhone 5's hdvoice is incompatible with Sprint's hdvoice because iPhone 5 uses wcdma for it's hdvoice in which Sprint uses cdma 1x advanced. So no hdvoice in the U.S.A. For iPhone 5.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess I won't get an iPhone 5 then. What a horrible and stupid thing for them to do. I was really looking forward to using iOS again. :cry:

:o WAIT WHAT? I can't believe what I just read!!!!!!!! :o

 

Is Josh getting a divorce?

 

;)

 

AJ

Link to comment
Share on other sites

:o WAIT WHAT? I can't believe what I just read!!!!!!!! :o

Is Josh getting a divorce?

 

;)

 

AJ

 

Josh is just really angry at Apple for their stupidity at making it impossible for the CDMA iPhone 5 to have SVDO or SVLTE! Their is no rhyme or reason for this crap. Now back to pursuing my Photon Q or Galaxy S 3 I guess. :(

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

Josh is just really angry at Apple for their stupidity at making it impossible for the CDMA iPhone 5 to have SVDO or SVLTE! Their is no rhyme or reason for this crap. Now back to pursuing my Photon Q or Galaxy S 3 I guess.

 

Galaxy S3!!!!!

 

Come to the dark side... Break free from the light. Don't look at the light!

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Galaxy S3!!!!!

 

Come to the dark side... Break free from the light. Don't look at the light!

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

 

No, Apple is the dark side when it comes to phones. So you think the GS3 is better than the Photon Q? Of course, I think so too.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was poring over FCC docs today in preparation for an OET article like what AJ has done for the Eclipse, S3, etc., similar to what I'm sure The Verge did.

 

In the few thousand pages of material that Apple submitted, SVDO and SVLTE are not mentioned. What is mentioned is that only one technology, on one antenna, will be transmitting at any given time. The charts that go along with this note are confusing at best (they look like information overload until you realize that the data therein is largely redundant) but seem to indicate that you can use, at best, one cellular tech and one WiFi band at once. So if you're on a CDMA + LTE network you can't do SV-anything without a VoIP app, and on a WCDMA + LTE network you're limited to WCDMA if you want data with your non-VoIP voice.

 

Why have I not mentioned VoLTE yet? Because it's explicitly not supported.

 

On the plus side, FaceTime over cellular! Yay! Wait...do I hear crickets? Hmm...okay.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was poring over FCC docs today in preparation for an OET article like what AJ has done for the Eclipse, S3, etc., similar to what I'm sure The Verge did.

 

In the few thousand pages of material that Apple submitted, SVDO and SVLTE are not mentioned. What is mentioned is that only one technology, on one antenna, will be transmitting at any given time. The charts that go along with this note are confusing at best (they look like information overload until you realize that the data therein is largely redundant) but seem to indicate that you can use, at best, one cellular tech and one WiFi band at once. So if you're on a CDMA + LTE network you can't do SV-anything without a VoIP app, and on a WCDMA + LTE network you're limited to WCDMA if you want data with your non-VoIP voice.

 

Why have I not mentioned VoLTE yet? Because it's explicitly not supported.

 

On the plus side, FaceTime over cellular! Yay! Wait...do I hear crickets? Hmm...okay.

 

Yep, you hear crickets, or people loading guns to shoot Apple for this devious act.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Josh is just really angry at Apple for their stupidity at making it impossible for the CDMA iPhone 5 to have SVDO or SVLTE!

 

"George is getting upset!"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEyaxm26YBI

 

AJ

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Face time over cellular technically worked on previous phones too.

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

 

Yeah, when cellular data service is decent it works great. My friend and his brother have Jailbroken iDevices and they like the whole Facetime thing.

 

Yes I know, I was just being sarcastic.

 

Sent from my C64 w/Epyx FastLoad cartridge

 

Yes, I know you were, but unfortunately it's more true than it is false.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Clearly, most don't care though.

 

Generationally, people my age and younger don't even use the phone to talk much. HD Voice could change that, and I think my disappointment is in not having clear standards for the industry that help accelerate this process.

 

The more I read about VoLTE, the more I realize it's a mess.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • large.unreadcontent.png.6ef00db54e758d06

  • gallery_1_23_9202.png

  • Posts

    • Historically, T-Mobile has been the only carrier contracting with Crown Castle Solutions, at least in Brooklyn. I did a quick count of the ~35 nodes currently marked as "installed" and everything mapped appears to be T-Mobile. However, they have a macro sector pointed directly at this site and seem to continue relying on the older-style DAS nodes. Additionally, there's another Crown Castle Solutions node approved for construction just around the corner, well within range of their macro. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Verizon using a new vendor for their mmWave build, especially since the macro site directly behind this node lacks mmWave/CBRS deployment (limited to LTE plus C-Band). However, opting for a multi-carrier solution here seems unlikely unless another carrier has actually joined the build. This node is equidistant (about five blocks) between two AT&T macro sites, and there are no oDAS nodes deployed nearby. Although I'm not currently mapping AT&T, based on CellMapper, it appears to be right on cell edge for both sites. Regardless, it appears that whoever is deploying is planning for a significant build. There are eight Crown Castle Solutions nodes approved for construction in a 12-block by 2-block area.
    • Starlink (1900mhz) for T-Mobile, AST SpaceMobile (700mhz and 850mhz) for AT&T, GlobalStar (unknown frequency) for Apple, Iridium (unknown frequency) for Samsung, and AST SpaceMobile (850mhz) for Verizon only work on frequency bands the carrier has licensed nationwide.  These systems broadcast and listen on multiple frequencies at the same time in areas much wider than normal cellular market license areas.  They would struggle with only broadcasting certain frequencies only in certain markets so instead they require a nationwide license.  With the antennas that are included on the satellites, they have range of cellular band frequencies they support and can have different frequencies with different providers in each supported country.  The cellular bands in use are typically 5mhz x 5mhz bands (37.5mbps total for the entire cell) or smaller so they do not have a lot of data bandwidth for the satellite band covering a very large plot of land with potentially millions of customers in a single large cellular satellite cell.  I have heard that each of Starlink's cells sharing that bandwidth will cover 75 or more miles. Satellite cellular connectivity will be set to the lowest priority connection just before SOS service on supported mobile devices and is made available nationwide in supported countries.  The mobile device rules pushed by the provider decide when and where the device is allowed to connect to the satellite service and what services can be provided over that connection.  The satellite has a weak receiving antenna and is moving very quickly so any significant obstructions above your mobile device antenna could cause it not to work.  All the cellular satellite services are starting with texting only and some of them like Apple's solution only support a predefined set of text messages.  Eventually it is expected that a limited number of simultaneous voice calls (VoLTE) will run on these per satellite cell.  Any spare data will then be available as an extremely slow LTE data connection as it could potentially be shared by millions of people.  Satellite data from the way these are currently configured will likely never work well enough to use unless you are in a very remote location.
    • T-Mobile owns the PCS G-block across the contiguous U.S. so they can just use that spectrum to broadcast direct to cell. Ideally your phone would only connect to it in areas where there isn't any terrestrial service available.
    • So how does this whole direct to satellite thing fit in with the way it works now? Carriers spend billions for licenses for specific areas. So now T-Mobile can offer service direct to customers without having a Terrestrial license first?
  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...