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They for sure do...sadly, at this rate, the 600mhz spectrum might be clear for use before SMR. Lol

 

 

The huge delays, while not really Sprint's fault, is partly why I think not participating in the 600MHz auction in at least a limited manner will be considered a mistake long-term. Unfortunately I don't think they could even if they wanted to, either.

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Hey guys, I think I may have found the first 800mhz antenna installation in the Seattle area (an IBEZ region)!!! But, before I jump to conclusions, because I am not 100% sure, I have attached pictures to see if anyone here can help me verify that my finding is legit. Sprint is the top rack, I believe. Can anyone confirm if the antennas/rrus next to the 8T8R are traditional Samsung NV equipment?

 

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I know the picture is not great (used my iPhone 6S camera on full zoom) but I can see three distinct RRUs on the right...does that mean anything?

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Hey guys, I think I may have found the first 800mhz antenna installation in the Seattle area (an IBEZ region)!!! But, before I jump to conclusions, because I am not 100% sure, I have attached pictures to see if anyone here can help me verify that my finding is legit. Sprint is the top rack, I believe. Can anyone confirm if the antennas/rrus next to the 8T8R are traditional Samsung NV equipment?

 

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I know the picture is not great (used my iPhone 6S camera on full zoom) but I can see three distinct RRUs on the right...does that mean anything?

 

I see Tim browsing, he might have a better answer, but all I can make out in that image are the PCS and B41 RRUs. I don't see the SMR RRU.

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I see Tim browsing, he might have a better answer, but all I can make out in that image are the PCS and B41 RRUs. I don't see the SMR RRU.

Don't see 800 MHz radios.

Hey guys, I think I may have found the first 800mhz antenna installation in the Seattle area (an IBEZ region)!!! But, before I jump to conclusions, because I am not 100% sure, I have attached pictures to see if anyone here can help me verify that my finding is legit. Sprint is the top rack, I believe. Can anyone confirm if the antennas/rrus next to the 8T8R are traditional Samsung NV equipment?

 

attachicon.gif IMG_5875.JPGattachicon.gif IMG_5876.JPG

 

I know the picture is not great (used my iPhone 6S camera on full zoom) but I can see three distinct RRUs on the right...does that mean anything?

 

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I've only seen 1900MHz sized panels in my area. Never seen panels that look long enough for 800 too, like these. In my part of the Sound, they are 1900 only and 2600 only panels. Any chance of zooming in on the ports to see if they at least support 800 too?

 

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I've only seen 1900MHz sized panels in my area. Never seen panels that look long enough for 800 too, like these. In my part of the Sound, they are 1900 only and 2600 only panels. Any chance of zooming in on the ports to see if they at least support 800 too?

 

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The dual band 800/PCS panels around here are just a smidge taller than the B41 antennas.  Not sure how tall they actually are, but i'd guess it is around a 6" difference. 

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I've only seen 1900MHz sized panels in my area. Never seen panels that look long enough for 800 too, like these. In my part of the Sound, they are 1900 only and 2600 only panels. Any chance of zooming in on the ports to see if they at least support 800 too?

 

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Yeah we've got the same PCS only equipment up here. I couldn't see the panels super well due to my subpar angle and bad lighting but they struck me as noticeably different than the usual. I'll try to head back there again next week. Roads are hilly in the area and it's too icy out for me to head out before Monday probably.

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The dual band 800/PCS panels around here are just a smidge taller than the B41 antennas. Not sure how tall they actually are, but i'd guess it is around a 6" difference.

Yeah I've seen the traditional NV equipment when traveling (in San Francisco for example). I've always wondered why other carriers' lowband antennae were so tall while Sprint could cram 800mhz into such a small antenna...

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Yeah I've seen the traditional NV equipment when traveling (in San Francisco for example). I've always wondered why other carriers' lowband antennae were so tall while Sprint could cram 800mhz into such a small antenna...

 

Most are dedicated low-band while Sprint's equipment are dual tech. The only downside is that you can do limited tilt and power as opposed to dedicated panels.

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Most are dedicated low-band while Sprint's equipment are dual tech. The only downside is that you can do limited tilt and power as opposed to dedicated panels.

So basically the big panels ATT, VZW and TMO use are more powerful and more versatile when it comes to aiming sectors?

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Just ran across this:

Completion of 800 MHz Band Reconfiguration in Certain Regions

https://www.fcc.gov/document/completion-800-mhz-band-reconfiguration-certain-regions

 

Can't open the link at work. Which regions are open ? I'm in SoCal so I know I'm screwed lol. Anything on phx or El Paso Texas ?

 

 

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11 hours ago, Brynn0823 said:

I have no idea what that means. Can you break that down for us ? Also do you have a source ?


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Entitling is the process where the carrier or tower company requests permission to build or alter an existing telecommunications facility with a local agency. In this instance, they are entitling 800 mhz remote radio units on an existing tower. I'll have to be the source on this one, but if you were to pull building permit records from jurisdictions in SoCal, you would most likely see Sprint submissions. If you were to dig deeper, you will see 800mhz RRUs.

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3 hours ago, bar5rab said:
Entitling is the process where the carrier or tower company requests permission to build or alter an existing telecommunications facility with a local agency. In this instance, they are entitling 800 mhz remote radio units on an existing tower. I'll have to be the source on this one, but if you were to pull building permit records from jurisdictions in SoCal, you would most likely see Sprint submissions. If you were to dig deeper, you will see 800mhz RRUs.

 

Oh ok nice. So does this mean the rebaning has been complete and 800mhz is ready to be rolled out ? When would it start ?


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5 hours ago, bar5rab said:

Entitling is the process where the carrier or tower company requests permission to build or alter an existing telecommunications facility with a local agency. In this instance, they are entitling 800 mhz remote radio units on an existing tower. I'll have to be the source on this one, but if you were to pull building permit records from jurisdictions in SoCal, you would most likely see Sprint submissions. If you were to dig deeper, you will see 800mhz RRUs.

Thanks for the heads up! In Ventura county, it looks like they started submitting permits in October. 

Here's a description of one of the permits:

Install (2) new 800/1900 MHz panel antennas, Install (2) new 800/2500 MHz, Install (4) 800 MHz RRHs and [1] new 2500 MHz RRH's.

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1 hour ago, squigey said:

Thanks for the heads up! In Ventura county, it looks like they started submitting permits in October. 

Here's a description of one of the permits:

Install (2) new 800/1900 MHz panel antennas, Install (2) new 800/2500 MHz, Install (4) 800 MHz RRHs and [1] new 2500 MHz RRH's.

Any idea of what currently exists at that site?

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46 minutes ago, bigmachine said:

Any idea of what currently exists at that site?

No, I've never been to any of the 4 sites that have these new permits.

That particular one is marked on the sites complete map as 3G only.

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