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Nope. Definitely has not started. Plenty of bandaid fixes over the past year though. We're still in the very, earliest stages of anything happening (EHRPD has just recently been turned on). Not to mention NV upgraded 3g is usually in the 1.5-2.0mbps range. Some sites are just less loaded than others and have higher speeds.

SMR is 800. Sprint doesn't have any 850.

Whelp. Ermagawd, we now have eeerrrrhhhpeeeediiiiieeeesss in sac. Mmmhh. Okay. So my friend just recently returned from basic training in Texas and got me to root his GS3 last week. I checked the network info screen and it was Evdo:6 or 8. Today, we went out nearby to eat and checked again and it's now ehrpd on his GS3. Good sign I suppose. Maybe the next time he gets leave from his post, he won't be abandoning 4g LTE in Texas for our crappy legacy 3g which is dial up speed at his house.

Haha Yes very important. We have to stop somewhere on our way to and from the bay to take a piss or get food you know

Network Vision upgrades entail the replacement of legacy gear with modern gear. If permitting is done but backhaul is not then they'll replace the legacy stuff at the site and reconnect the hardware to the old legacy T1 lines. If permitting and backhaul is in place then they'll connect all the new gear to the new backhaul which will show in increased speeds. 4g may or may not be turned on at this point depending on who's the OEM (alcatel-lucent takes a bit). Point is, 4g LTE will not be turned on at sites that does not have back haul ready but 3g will be turned on and connected to legacy backhaul. Upgraded 3g (fiber / mw / aav) will have no slow downs and low latency compared to legacy 3g with T1 lines. They tend to hover in the 1.0-2.5 mbps range and faster as you get closer to the cell tower. This is because upgraded 3g sites are connected to the same backhaul as LTE.

1st. We need to be able to comprehend what you're saying. Meaning. Proper English with correct grammar please. 2nd. Fairfield CA is LAUNCHING LTE meaning it's work in progress. Fairfield is part of the San Francisco bay area market and NV is in progress with loads of sites coming online each week throughout the entire market. They'll work when a site is ready for them to work on. No other reason about them being "slow". 3rd. Sprint is not trolling. If you want to complain about sprints LTE rollout, this is not the place to do it.

Don't recognize any sprint stuff up there but I could be wrong. Second rack has RRU's but they're configured in the ATT style of having the box not right behind the panels. Oh look a bird nest!

Each tower is setup specific to geography and a plethora of other reasons. There's never a standard setup of anything. It's all engineered for that site and the surrounding area.

Ah yes. I was hesitent about T-mobile since I've never seen them use RRU's but I've seen them mentioned to be using a form of RRU. Verizon ... that's something new. Interesting... We do learn new things every day

Those are ATT , VZ, or T-mobile RRU's. Sprints setup is unique in that the RRU box is right behind the panel and this doesn't look like any typical NV setup ive seen around these parts. The other setups usually have one box setup far in the back.

The Moto Razr is one of them for sure (i still have one). Maybe on of the PDA's from that period? I believe palm was making some stuff then as well along with a plethora of windows mobile devices..

That's typical for non upgraded backhaul. What that drop in speeds mean is that they've reconnected it to legacy T1 backhaul pending the installing of upgraded backhaul (fiber , MW, AAV). They cannot and will not light up LTE without having upgraded backhaul so it being 3g only and having slow speeds indicate that it's still on legacy backhaul.

Those speeds should be pretty much similar across the board throughout sprints upgraded network. The speed really depends on your reception and range from the tower but I doubt it'll go below the "average speed" that sprint posted up. Well... that is unless you only have a limited amount of spectrum to deploy LTE, use a blanket coverage rollout so one tower takes the load of several others, and all you sell are LTE only phones.

Southern Cali -- Not NorCal. Upper Central Valley hasn't started yet.

I would like to remind you two that you are violating the S4GRU posting rules regarding unwanted negativity on the forums. The update is stating new cities that are going to be worked on relatively soon and all markets are to begin in 2013 no matter what. Feel free to donate and become a sponsor if you want to know more info about the roll outs but if you won't then don't complain here.

The $10 fee is and was never ever a "4g" fee but a smartphone fee. You are not paying to use 4g or faster internet. You are paying the $10 to use a smartphone on sprints network.

They accelerated the shut down of iDen in that market and repurposed the frequency since they absolutely needed it in that market because it is (was) very limited in spectrum and had a huge problem with dropped calls etc. Other markets are still slowly shutting down iDen but till there is a significant portion of it shut down, they will not deploy anything on the 800.

Yep looks like NV upgraded fiber/ mw / aav backhaul speeds. T1 bandaid fixes don't go that high nor give that kind of ping. Check your local towers out!

Baltimore is an Lucent market being serviced by Alcatel-Lucent. Service interuptions are basically in all active NV markets be it Alca-lu, Sammy, or Eric. Just part of the growing pains.

Just reminding you guys that some of us are in markets that have not even been announced or have any work being done yet. So just be glad something is going on in your market...

Thanks for stopping by and asking the question instead of going off ranting on how sprint is inferior and sucking. Anyways to answer your question... 1. Legacy areas (areas without network vision upgrades) tend to have extremely poor data speeds due to towers being overloaded because of insufficient backhaul. Legacy towers had backhaul utilizing T1 1.5mb lines which cannot provide the bandwidth that the modern consumers in this age of smartphones take up. 2. Read up on these stickies. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/32-network-vision-explained/ http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/2120-listing-of-legacy-vendorsnetwork-vision-vendors-by-market/ -- Basically, Baltimore is undergoing active network vision upgrades as of right now. There are actually a lot of upgraded towers (according to sponsor maps that show towers that have been upgraded) in the market and I would safely say that it's at least 20-30% done as of right now. Also, our weekly updates (thanks to s4gru [robert] and his sources) show that baltimore has been getting a steady stream of completed towers. I would garner and say that the market will be mostly completed (~75%) by the beginning of Springtime and finishing up to 90% by summer time. -- During NV upgrades, you tend to get a lot of drop calls tend to hand off issues between old and new sites that result in dropped calls. You also get no signal because workers may be removing old hardware from a tower and installing new hardware (NV upgrades -- new RRU's / backhaul / etc). It's annoying but bearable and well worth it according to the people that had NV upgrades in their area. 3. Network Vision is sprints multi-year LTE / network overhaul plan. It's replacing every single tower they have, decomissioning Nextels old iDen towers and rebranding its low 800mhz frequency. Right now, Sprint is about finishing its first year of NV 1.0 which is replacing old hardware with new modern stuff. Initial LTE frequency will be 1900mhz while NV 2.0 will utilize the frequency from iDens shutdown which is 800mhz. This low frequency will be highly comparable to Verizons and ATTs in terms of coverage and penetration. Then there is the Clearwire (just bought out by sprint) 2.5/2.6ghz spectrum which is very extensive and is continuous throughout the nation. In a 20+20 configuration, Clearwires 2.5/2.6 can output about 100 mbps and will be used as a hot spot in major metropolitan or high demand areas. -- Sprints FD-LTE 1900 / 800 = 5x5 configuration -- theoretical max 37.5 mbps. -- Cleawires TDD-LTE 2.5/2.6ghz = 20+20 -- theoretical max of about 100 mbps. -- Basically sprints plan is, LTE 2.5/2.6ghz for very high demand areas where there's a lot of people. The high frequency allows insane data transfer rates and will be invaluable when a lot of people are in one spot. Then there is LTE 1900 which is being deployed right now. It achieves about the same coverage as Sprints current 3g footprint and most people will be using this. Further on will be LTE 800 which is similar to Verizons and ATTS 700/ 850 frequency and will have about the same penetration and coverage characteristics. Where you don't get 3g, you'll probably get LTE 800. Basically. For your market, go for it. It is actively being worked on right now with upgraded towers coming online every week. It can only go better from now on for you and LTE will not get bogged down anytime soon compared to Verizons.

Easy answer -- Backhaul has not been upgraded and or local / city / state permits have not been issued. Also,usually the "fringe" areas are in small towns where there's little bureaucratic mess to deal with so backhaul and permitting is much easier. Not to mention that most "fringe" areas are along highways or interstates.

I do too but I recall them also saying it's a tiny percentage because of the outrage about possible Chinese espionage against our telecom infrastructure. But this should be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because there's only so much corporations that do major telecom work and most US telecoms use the same vendors... I'd say it'll be managed under New Sprints contractors. Unification of resources and plans = the purpose of the buyout.

Probably gets deployed with NV 2.0. I believe clearwires vendors are the same as Sprints.

You know you're borderline violating S4gru rules with your pessimism right? Anyways. As a sponsor,all I will tell you is there are NV upgrades in that market but nothing major yet compared to LA or SF markets. Work is highly likely to be on going but comparatively "slow" compared to your northern neighbors. Recent s4gru NV map updates have indicated that the OEMs are speeding up deployment in a lot of markets so it shant be long before you start seeing increased activity. Though, you may see more updates up north as Alcatel-Lucent (Socal OEM) doesn't seem to be deploying as fast as Sammy is up north in the SF Bay area.