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That's what it was starting to sound like to me. A poor man's das system not installed properly and spewing noise all over the place. Unfortunately with the Fed shutdown the FCC isn't able to do any enforcement.

 

Edit: dealing with that type of interference would drive me crazy enough to where I would start to drive around and find the source. I would then destroy stuff.

 

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There's been confirmation of a certain device affecting multiple CDMA carriers and shitcanning towers which is prompting legal action by said CDMA carriers right now against this oem. 

 

Would you care to share with the rest of the class?

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There's been confirmation of a certain device affecting multiple CDMA carriers and shitcanning towers which is prompting legal action by said CDMA carriers right now against this oem.

This intrigues me. Do you have a source so that I can read in to it more? Is this a localized Chicago thing? Or other cities as well.

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Was everyone's speed Ok then just went bad two weeks ago?

 

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That's basically what happened to me. About 2-3 weeks ago all LTE related speeds just went to shit. And not just in the Loop all over my stomping grounds of Gold Coast, Lincoln Park, Wicker Park, Wrigleyville, etc.
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That's what it was starting to sound like to me. A poor man's das system not installed properly and spewing noise all over the place. Unfortunately with the Fed shutdown the FCC isn't able to do any enforcement.

 

Edit: dealing with that type of interference would drive me crazy enough to where I would start to drive around and find the source. I would then destroy stuff.

 

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I dont think so, b/c the problem is not isolated, its all across the city.  I am getting these uber weak SNR values with strong LTE signal strength everywhere I go, not just the Loop.  Had the same issues all weekend long from Irving Park and Ashland, to Milwaukee and Armitage, to Diversey and Lincoln to State and Hubbard.  We are talking miles and miles apart in very different neighborhoods here and I can get strong LTE but weak SNR.

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It was tolerable in most places, and still is. The problems are mostly in or near city limits during peak times. And yes, that time frame seems about right.

My problems are not attributed to peak load times, this is not a peak hours drop off ala cable modems in 2001.  I get the problem all hours, all days, weekends and weekdays.  Even today the Loop was empty, literally empty b/c of the holiday.  I work next to the Board of Trade and Financial District, most banking and financial services were closed today.  Trains and buses were half full, no lines for lunch, etc etc.  Problems persisted, on and off peak hours.  Still received 0-2 Db SNR with half the workforce in effect today.  I receive the same shit SNR all the way on the brown line from the Loop to Lakeview with the same strong signal between -85 and -110 anywhere I go with speeds pulling 50-200K max.

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I will give sprint one positive. Voice calls are crisp and clear and don't drop for me. It seems like no matter where I am, about 10 seconds in to a voice call, my signal goes full strength (I'm assuming that's when the phone switches to 800 voice). Texting really isn't an issue for me, either. The data is just flakey at times.

I just don't care about call clarity or drops anymore.  Don't get me wrong I did in 2004, but now even my parents don't make nearly as many calls as they used to.  I probably make/receive 10-15 calls per week max.  The integrity and availability of high speed data is 1000x more important than call clarity to me and many many subscribers and not just of my generation.

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I just don't care about call clarity or drops anymore. Don't get me wrong I did in 2004, but now even my parents don't make nearly as many calls as they used to. I probably make/receive 10-15 calls per week max. The integrity and availability of high speed data is 1000x more important than call clarity to me and many many subscribers and not just of my generation.

But when it boils down to it, that device in everyone's pocket is still just a phone. Call clarity/coverage still does carry a weight when determining a carrier. And I'll agree, I make maybe 4 calls a day so data is kind of more important.

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I dont think so, b/c the problem is not isolated, its all across the city.  I am getting these uber weak SNR values with strong LTE signal strength everywhere I go, not just the Loop.  Had the same issues all weekend long from Irving Park and Ashland, to Milwaukee and Armitage, to Diversey and Lincoln to State and Hubbard.  We are talking miles and miles apart in very different neighborhoods here and I can get strong LTE but weak SNR.

 Wow i never even noticed the SNR until you pointed that out. Has anybody reported it?

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There's been confirmation of a certain device affecting multiple CDMA carriers and shitcanning towers which is prompting legal action by said CDMA carriers right now against this oem. 

 

2-3 of these said devices connected to a single fully provisioned tower will easily bring it to a grinding halt. 

 

That's basically what happened to me. About 2-3 weeks ago all LTE related speeds just went to shit. And not just in the Loop all over my stomping grounds of Gold Coast, Lincoln Park, Wicker Park, Wrigleyville, etc.

 

So what devices have come out in the last two weeks or so??? I have an idea, but I'd love to see something more than my hunch....

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I dont think so, b/c the problem is not isolated, its all across the city. I am getting these uber weak SNR values with strong LTE signal strength everywhere I go, not just the Loop. Had the same issues all weekend long from Irving Park and Ashland, to Milwaukee and Armitage, to Diversey and Lincoln to State and Hubbard. We are talking miles and miles apart in very different neighborhoods here and I can get strong LTE but weak SNR.

I'm still trying to find a source of the incident but there was an incident in NYC a few years ago that took out a widespread part of the city and suburbs because of a bad in building install that started oscillating. What concerns me is the noise and data speed decreased suddenly and EVDO is still Ok.

 

I think I should be able to dig the source up at work.

 

 

 

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I'm still trying to find a source of the incident but there was an incident in NYC a few years ago that took out a widespread part of the city and suburbs because of a bad in building install that started oscillating. What concerns me is the noise and data speed decreased suddenly and EVDO is still Ok.

 

I think I should be able to dig the source up at work.

 

 

 

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Well by all means let us know what you find, but that also begs the question what can you, or we, do about it to fix the problem that's on Sprint right.  And if you find something before they do my god, that implies Sprint either doesn't know about its own network performance or doesn't care.

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Network problems should last more than a few hours. They can do a lot of tinkering remotely. It's like sprint bulldozed it's way through all the towers, finished up, then just took off to the next town.

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Network problems should last more than a few hours. They can do a lot of tinkering remotely. It's like sprint bulldozed it's way through all the towers, finished up, then just took off to the next town.

Ill give it a few days, even a week.  Sprint should know by now.  I have talked to three @SprintCare reps on twitter and emailed them as they instructed me to do so.  The problem is as these issues continue to pile up, and this isn't the first time my LTE connection has fallen off the map for an extended period of time post NV, I keep asking myself how long am I going to stick with Sprint on promises and hopes and wishes for this better than VZW and ATT network we all believe we have been promised.  The rootmetrics report said it all, ATT averages 19Meg DL speeds in Chicago, why can't I have that, is it really worth the $10 or $15 I save per month with Sprint to have unlimited but be stuck in the 1st gear of an advanced LTE network?

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If I wasn't a data pig, I wouldn't be on sprint. And my other choice: T-Mobile, is kind of garbage. 2gb/mo users should be on AT&T/verizon, or one of their mvno prepaid options because their infrastructure is simply better.

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Ill give it a few days, even a week.  Sprint should know by now.  I have talked to three @SprintCare reps on twitter and emailed them as they instructed me to do so.  The problem is as these issues continue to pile up, and this isn't the first time my LTE connection has fallen off the map for an extended period of time post NV, I keep asking myself how long am I going to stick with Sprint on promises and hopes and wishes for this better than VZW and ATT network we all believe we have been promised.  The rootmetrics report said it all, ATT averages 19Meg DL speeds in Chicago, why can't I have that, is it really worth the $10 or $15 I save per month with Sprint to have unlimited but be stuck in the 1st gear of an advanced LTE network?

 

This is why 2600 MHz TD-LTE band spectrum is so important for Sprint... they're running out of headroom on 1900 PCS LTE Band 25. 

 

How is voice quality?

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There's been confirmation of a certain device affecting multiple CDMA carriers and shitcanning towers which is prompting legal action by said CDMA carriers right now against this oem. 

 

This is not good.  I wonder if other markets will be affected by this for using this OEM's equipment.

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There's been confirmation of a certain device affecting multiple CDMA carriers and shitcanning towers which is prompting legal action by said CDMA carriers right now against this oem.

 

What the hell?? Is this situation going to be reversed or remedied anytime soon? I just made the descision to join Sprint because I thought their Chicago market was solid. Now I see things are going in the wrong direction. I guess I have several weeks to see how things shake out while I wait for my phone to be delivered (Lg G2), but after reading this thread, I'm having an acute case of buyer's remorse. Edited by dParis
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Even if there are some extenuating circumstances related to rogue UE for such pitiful LTE speeds in Chicago, I still think Sprint is jumping the gun with the local advertising blitz. Just as with the rest of the country, they should at least wait until Q1 2014 when NV 1.0 is virtually wrapped up and NV 2.0 is well underway before crowing about the state of the network.

 

It doesn't help that the zombie ads are silly in a bad way, and should be canned. Focus on device launches and leave the network stuff for next year after the USCC spectrum has been completely refarmed and sites are getting a fresh round of fiber speed upgrades for 800/2600 LTE.

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What the hell?? Is this situation going to be reversed or remedied anytime soon? I just made the descision to join Sprint because I thought their Chicago market was solid. Now I see things are going in the wrong direction. I guess I have several weeks to see how things shake out while I wait for my phone to be delivered (Lg G2), but after reading this thread, I'm having an acute case of buyer's remorse.

At least you're getting the right phone for this city. You'll be able to get high speed LTE on the 2600 band in a lot of places you go. Also, once bc26 gets turned on, that should alleviate crowding on the pcs spectrum. Chicago is "done-ish" to say the least. We've been "launched" for 10 months now and they're still not 100% finished.

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I have not been able to find the documentation on that BDA that caused the interference in New York.  That's probably because its probably berried in the FCC website which is down do to the fed shutdown.

 

If the interference is caused by malfunctioning BDA or DAS system it is likely Sprint already knows who is doing it.  However Sprint isn't really able to do anything other than ask the owner to turn it off.  Only the FCC, backed by the US Marshals, has the ability to force people to shut off a device causing interference. 

 

Although this seems to be affecting Sprint, Verizon and AT&T face the same issues with these devices. 

 

Keep in mind I am just able to speculate what is going on.  Other than hunting around with specialized equipment, or AJ, we can only guess.  I do know that when the noise floor suddenly shoots up over a wide area it is likely not a capacity issue.

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Chicago is "done-ish" to say the least. We've been "launched" for 10 months now and they're still not 100% finished.

This is the worrisome part. "Done", by the accounts I'm reading, is worse than "Under Construction".

 

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