600 MHz auction results posted and transition schedule

[RAvirani]

Sprint already has low band spectrum. Additional low band spectrum would be just raw material -- it would not build its own new sites. A 5 MHz FDD chunk of 600 MHz would not bring "results."

 

AJ

Maybe a 10 MHz FDD chunk?

[bigsnake49]

Maybe a 10 MHz FDD chunk?

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. The reason that Sprint is doing all this small cell for coverage thing is that they are broke. That has been their problem for at least 10 years now. Otherwise they'd be doing it the same way as everybody else. And they would have rebanded the 800MHz spectrum like 7 years ago.

[RAvirani]

Took the words right out of my mouth. The reason that Sprint is doing all this small cell for coverage thing is that they are broke. That has been their problem for at least 10 years now. Otherwise they'd be doing it the same way as everybody else. And they would have rebanded the 800MHz spectrum like 7 years ago.

To be fair, 800 would not have cleared much faster even if Sprint had money. Sprint is just waiting for other entities to rebrand and those entities are taking their time. But if Sprint had 10 MHz lowland FDD, they would be on equal footing with AT&T and VZW in most places (until they start their B5 deployments that is), and we would see B26 tuned for coverage not capacity is many more places.

[bigsnake49]

To be fair, 800 would not have cleared much faster even if Sprint had money. Sprint is just waiting for other entities to rebrand and those entities are taking their time. But if Sprint had 10 MHz lowland FDD, they would be on equal footing with AT&T and VZW in most places (until they start their B5 deployments that is), and we would see B26 tuned for coverage not capacity is many more places.

 

Amazing thing happens when you have money. You can speed up the process by making some political contributions to certain people. Or donate a few SUVs for the sheriff and his lieutenants to drive on the job.

[dkyeager]

The low bids for 600mhz may be directly related to the difficulties Sprint has had in rebranding 800 and the minimal help the FCC has provided.

 

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[red_dog007]

If Sprint was bidding, it would just drive up cost.  Rather them spend the 2, 3, 5 billion on making a really nice dense 2.5GHz network.  It is possible, and the faster Sprint can drive home with 2.5GHz, the faster they become kings in the city.  They will be untouchable. 

 

Rural markets will be fine with ESMR/PCS, even where it is just 5x5 + 5x5. But those will be few as time goes on and they can toss up 2.5GHz to take some load off a tower if/when needed. 

[Brynn0823]

The low bids for 600mhz may be directly related to the difficulties Sprint has had in rebranding 800 and the minimal help the FCC has provided.

 

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Pls explain ?

 

 

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[RAvirani]

Pls explain ?

 

 

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Winners of the 600mhz auction will need to wait for TV stations to vacate the 600mhz band. Sprint has had to do the same thing with their SMR spectrum (Sprint has had to wait on PS to vacate the 800mhz band). SMR rebanding started YEARS ago and it is still not finished. 600mhz bidders don't want to deal with the same problems Sprint has had to deal with and thus 600mhz spectrum is valued low.

[dkyeager]

Pls explain ?

 

 

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To expand on RAvirani's comment above, The FCC has almost automatically granted extension after extension to various holdouts even though Sprint was paying for new radio systems.   For businesses,  time is money.  Sprint has lost opportunities to better serve its customers, the general public.

[Trip]

Broadcasters have a much better incentive.  Congress has mandated the FCC can only reimburse for three years.  Beyond that, broadcasters are on their own for any costs they incur.  Any extension will have to come from Congress itself, which is certainly possible, but much more likely to come with some kind of accountability.

 

- Trip

[ericdabbs]

Winners of the 600mhz auction will need to wait for TV stations to vacate the 600mhz band. Sprint has had to do the same thing with their SMR spectrum (Sprint has had to wait on PS to vacate the 800mhz band). SMR rebanding started YEARS ago and it is still not finished. 600mhz bidders don't want to deal with the same problems Sprint has had to deal with and thus 600mhz spectrum is valued low.

 

I would argue that PS is WAYYYYY more important than broadcasters having to relocated to another location. You can't disrupt PS at all for safety reasons so that is why it is taking so long.  I understand that TV broadcasters have to get compatible equipment for their TV station but that equipment already exists in the market.  

 

In this case TV broadcasters have an incentive to relocate because until they relocate they don't get their money.  I don't anticipate an 8-10 year time frame for the TV broadcasters to relocate unlike SMR which also affects other countries since they was collaboration for frequency alignment.

[red_dog007]

Yeah, broadcasters left 700MHz just fine, other than 700A which wasn't utilized but by USCC until TMobile started buying it up.  All those broadcasters on 700A promptly vacated as TMobile make purchases.  Don't think 600MHz will have any more issue than 700MHz did which seems to be minor.

 

Sprint has had issue with 800MHz because it is related to public safety (gives strong excuses for holdouts) and having to deal with other countries who do whatever the f they want. Totally different animal. 

[kg4icg]

Well looks like the 600mhz auction turned out to be a flop.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3235805-fcc-airwaves-auction-goes-tepid-bids-fail-match-broadcaster-supply?app=1&uprof=45&utoken=f668ff9d9034ae0f8d27f692efe25258#/email_link

 

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[trug]

Well looks like the 600mhz auction turned out to be a flop.

 

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3235805-fcc-airwaves-auction-goes-tepid-bids-fail-match-broadcaster-supply?app=1&uprof=45&utoken=f668ff9d9034ae0f8d27f692efe25258#/email_link

 

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It hasn't finished yet and I'm pretty sure that article is just wrong.  The auction doesn't need almost $40 billion to finish and of course the TV station rep isn't happy that the stations will be getting less than the $86.4 billion finish would have brought.

[cyclone]

It hasn't finished yet and I'm pretty sure that article is just wrong.  The auction doesn't need almost $40 billion to finish and of course the TV station rep isn't happy that the stations will be getting less than the $86.4 billion finish would have brought.

It was referring to the previous round's requirement. This article does however list Sprint as a spectrum player in the auction which goes against all of the public statements of them not participating

[trug]

It looks like the requirements for this round are met https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/1000

[bucdenny]

It looks like the requirements for this round are met https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/1000

 

It's already at 18 Billion. Maybe it will heat up.

[kg4icg]

The Auction is over, that was the 4th and final round. It has been a flop, eversince the 5g plans have come around, people have put aside getting 600mhz and if they bought it at all was going to do at a minimum. Pay exorbitant prices for very little spectrum, or save money and go for high and in the millimeter wave bands.

 

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[trug]

I wouldn't call it a flop.  Having 70MHz sold is about what was expected as far as I can remember.  There is still a need for low band spectrum for coverage.

[kg4icg]

 

Not as wide coverage as you might think it is.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/home/viewer.html?webmap=2a4febee66894bfd99d682a48eaddead

 

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[Arysyn]

 

Not as wide coverage as you might think it is.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/home/viewer.html?webmap=2a4febee66894bfd99d682a48eaddead

 

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Does this map mean those are the only areas where 600mhz is being auctioned off for? I thought this was going to be a nationwide spectrum auction.

[Trip]

I'm horribly confused about what everyone is going on about here.  The 70 MHz sold is nationwide (split into PEAs for sale) and the bidding is on-going.  All that is known is that the auction will now close at this stage; the final forward auction price has yet to be determined.

 

- Trip

[dkyeager]

https://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2017/01/fccs-incentive-auction-home-stretch-after-satisfying-final-stage-rule

 

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[EvanA]

 

Not as wide coverage as you might think it is.

 

https://www.arcgis.com/home/viewer.html?webmap=2a4febee66894bfd99d682a48eaddead

 

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This is not a representation of the state of the spectrum auction; This is a demonstration application for ArcGIS's auction management products targeted at the bidders. Read more here

 

http://www.esri.com/esri-news/arcuser/spring-2016/bidders-can-see-opportunities-in-spectrum-auction-with-arcgis

 

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[kg4icg]

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Report-FCC-auction-of-600MHz-spectrum-draws-to-a-close-with-winners-to-be-named-in-March_id90171 they will be announcing the winners on March first. Only getting $17.7 billion total.

 

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