Network Vision/LTE - Minnesota Market

[mozamcrew]

James Valley Telecommunication is an RRRP partner there....

[Tengen31]

It's possible, but probably much more red tape to deploy on those rather than street lights or regular power poles. I wouldn't expect much to happen with those. As for the issues on I-35 that you are referencing, I do not know what Sprint's approach to highway coverage will be at this point. I would imagine they are still actively working to get LTE on every site along the stretch (that has not happened yet), and then see about adding a macro site here or there to provide continuous coverage.

Ok. I thought all the sites had LTE on 35. I knew small cells wouldn't be added. Hope new macro sites come online

 

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[Dkoellerwx]

Ok. I thought all the sites had LTE on 35. I knew small cells wouldn't be added. Hope new macro sites come online

 

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Actually, most between MSP and Duluth do, you're right. I was thinking of further north I guess. Site spacing is definitely an issue there. But, two new macro deployments would go a long way to fixing that. I wouldn't anticipate that happening until this fall, at the earliest though. 

[Flompholph]

The Twin Cities will see a healthy small cell deployment. But I don't think can completely throw the rest of Minnesota under the bus. We know that places like Lincoln, NE will likely see small cell deployment, even Sedalia, MO (check that one for population density). So a few small cells here and there to help coverage and capacity, even in low population areas can be expected. 

Sedalia, MO >1500 people per sq mile and outside of minneapolis metro it is mostly <55 people per sq mile. Not really sure how that would mean sprint is going to put short range small cell on every house to cover everyone. Small cells are not a magic bullet for rural coverage for capacity maybe rural coverage no.

 

I don't even have any 1x data in my SCP logs from St Paul meaning I was on LTE all the time.  Outside of metros it should be nextel conversions or new macro sites not small cells.

[Dkoellerwx]

Sedalia, MO >1500 people per sq mile and outside of minneapolis metro it is mostly <55 people per sq mile. Not really sure how that would mean sprint is going to put short range small cell on every house to cover everyone. Small cells are not a magic bullet for rural coverage for capacity maybe rural coverage no.

 

I don't even have any 1x data in my SCP logs from St Paul meaning I was on LTE all the time.  Outside of metros it should be nextel conversions or new macro sites not small cells.

 

I don't think I even implied there are going to be small cells all over the place in rural areas. Obviously that would better served by macro cell expansion. I was just suggesting that tossing out the rest of the state due to *average* low population density was incorrect. 

[Tengen31]

I also hope to see some channel wideing on Band 25 here. Was told by someone (you know who you are) that some CDMA thinning has happened. Im also not seeing the 2nd band 25 (5X5) carrier anymore either. Swapping licenses might have to happen first.

[Tengen31]

Sedalia, MO >1500 people per sq mile and outside of minneapolis metro it is mostly <55 people per sq mile. Not really sure how that would mean sprint is going to put short range small cell on every house to cover everyone. Small cells are not a magic bullet for rural coverage for capacity maybe rural coverage no.

 

I don't even have any 1x data in my SCP logs from St Paul meaning I was on LTE all the time.  Outside of metros it should be nextel conversions or new macro sites not small cells.

There are still drops to 3G in the twin cities. I was at Como Zoo on Mothers Day. 3G 90% or so of the time. Airplane mode did not help.

[Sanyo M1]

Sedalia, MO >1500 people per sq mile and outside of minneapolis metro it is mostly <55 people per sq mile. Not really sure how that would mean sprint is going to put short range small cell on every house to cover everyone. Small cells are not a magic bullet for rural coverage for capacity maybe rural coverage no.

 

I don't even have any 1x data in my SCP logs from St Paul meaning I was on LTE all the time.  Outside of metros it should be nextel conversions or new macro sites not small cells.

 

Its not even a population density thing. Areas by Northfield, Faribault, Shakopee, all have severe issues with LTE, 1X is all over the place. Don't even get me started on Mankato. If you went just off the coverage maps (yes, even accounting for "fair" coverage), you'd be sorely disappointed in how often you're on LTE.

[Tengen31]

Its not even a population density thing. Areas by Northfield, Faribault, Shakopee, all have severe issues with LTE, 1X is all over the place. Don't even get me started on Mankato. If you went just off the coverage maps (yes, even accounting for "fair" coverage), you'd be sorely disappointed in how often you're on LTE.

Yep i remember Mankato. could only get 1x800 at Minneopa State Park ,was there a month or 2 ago. Needs Improvement. Band 41 or 10x10 or both. I haven't had any issues in Shakopee. Sprint works very will outside and, even Inside Mystic Lake  Casino.

[Tengen31]

The Twin Cities will see a healthy small cell deployment. But I don't think can completely throw the rest of Minnesota under the bus. We know that places like Lincoln, NE will likely see small cell deployment, even Sedalia, MO (check that one for population density). So a few small cells here and there to help coverage and capacity, even in low population areas can be expected.

http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/26/sprint-owns-up-to-past-problems-hopes-to-win-back-customers/

 

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[Tengen31]

The link I post talks about small cells.

 

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[Flompholph]

Its not even a population density thing. Areas by Northfield, Faribault, Shakopee, all have severe issues with LTE, 1X is all over the place. Don't even get me started on Mankato. If you went just off the coverage maps (yes, even accounting for "fair" coverage), you'd be sorely disappointed in how often you're on LTE.

Those three area are inside the metro area. Metro != city lines. I should also define "not that many" from my first post does not equal 0. Mankato has enough towers to have capacity for everyone in the city to stream music or a third of the people to stream bingeon level video. Adding small cells will not fix large area of coverage. These 5G sites will have a range of line of site of like a mile to fill in coverage or shadowing caused by tall buildings. If there are stadium, concert, or other venue where large groups of people go to outside of metros these 5g sites may see the light of day at some point. But to say these are magic bullets for every where in Minnesota is wrong. B41 on towers already there is a large source of capacity that can cover most places. 

[mnjeepmale]

Of course that will help band 41. There will always be places that people can't connect to Band 41, so 10x10 B25 will make things better. At my work Sprint cell site it on the roof. Inside I can't get band 41. Band 25/26 connect fine. Just slow.

 

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I'm in southern suburbs and don't have many issues with coverage or speed in the twin cities. I am on LTE majority of the time. 

 

They do need to add more macro cells between the cities and duluth. 

[Tengen31]

I'm in southern suburbs and don't have many issues with coverage or speed in the twin cities. I am on LTE majority of the time.

 

They do need to add more macro cells between the cities and duluth.

Yeah. I do get drops to 3G in Eagan on 494. And 3G the whole time at Como Zoo

 

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[Tengen31]

I'm in southern suburbs and don't have many issues with coverage or speed in the twin cities. I am on LTE majority of the time.

 

They do need to add more macro cells between the cities and duluth.

A new tower is needed near the black Bear along 35.

 

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[mnjeepmale]

Yeah. I do get drops to 3G in Eagan on 494. And 3G the whole time at Como Zoo

 

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Hmm....doesn't happen to me. I travel 494 a lot from Bloom to Woodbury.

 

There is a Sprint tower on the corner of 35E & 494

[Dkoellerwx]

As soon as I am on a computer, I'll be moving most of the twin cities discussion to the Minnesota thread. Just a heads up.

 

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[Tengen31]

As soon as I am on a computer, I'll be moving most of the twin cities discussion to the Minnesota thread. Just a heads up.

 

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Can you give a link to that? I have a hard time finding the MN thread

 

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[Tengen31]

Hmm....doesn't happen to me. I travel 494 a lot from Bloom to Woodbury.

 

There is a Sprint tower on the corner of 35E & 494

see this happened in Mendota Heights. Also by the airport

 

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[Brynn0823]

see this happened in Mendota Heights. Also by the airport

 

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Elaborate on what this means

[Tengen31]

Elaborate on what this means

Losing LTE

 

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[mnjeepmale]

I travel to Mendota weekly to Lucky 13 and service there sucks. I have reported to Sprint several times.

[njjdnt]

I travel to Mendota weekly to Lucky 13 and service there sucks. I have reported to Sprint several times.

That's not a service problem, that is a service feature.  It's to prevent to from calling or sending texts that you'll regret later, after having a few to many. 

[mnjeepmale]

Is there a DAS installed in US Bank Stadium? Was out there today and a few times lost network connection.

[njjdnt]

Is there a DAS installed in US Bank Stadium? Was out there today and a few times lost network connection.

Yes, Verizon installed a neutral DAS.  The stadium is also supposed to have 2,000 Wi-Fi beacons and 1,300 access points. 

 

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