T-Mobile LTE & Network Discussion

[derrph]

If vzw buys dish and doesn't divest aws4 to TMO, game over for TMO.

Why would vzw buy dish besides for its aws4? And why would I be game over for T-Mobile?

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

Why would vzw buy dish besides for its aws4? And why would I be game over for T-Mobile?

 

 

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(1) bundle tv with cell service

(2) use aws4 to offer cheaper fixed wireless and fast mobile wireless also.

(3) without aws4, TMO not enough capacity. The 5ghz unlicensed lte will take long time to deploy because of typical small cell site procurement issues.

Without blazing fast speeds, TMO turns into att minus the coverage.

[derrph]

(1) bundle tv with cell service

(2) use aws4 to offer cheaper fixed wireless and fast mobile wireless also.

(3) without aws4, TMO not enough capacity. The 5ghz unlicensed lte will take long time to deploy because of typical small cell site procurement issues.

Without blazing fast speeds, TMO turns into att minus the coverage.

Gotcha. That could go either way with vzw. They could just keep it all to make T-Mobile suffer slowly or they will sell some at a inflated rate.

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

Gotcha. That could go either way with vzw. They could just keep it all to make T-Mobile suffer slowly or they will sell some at a inflated rate.

 

 

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I wonder if vzw would want to keep aws4 for itself, never mind the starving of TMO.

 

With the lowest cell site count of all 4 carriers, vzw has shown it's preference for more spectrum vs densification.

40mhz SDL, even if it'd be a boutique band, is a hell of a lot of spectrum to part with.

 

Vzw: 2, AWS1/3, 5, 13, 600mhz, aws4

Att: 2, AWS1/3, 5, 12/17, 29, 30, 600mhz

 

 

 

Aws4 plus its existing spectrum might be enough for it to ride out the sprint 2.5 onslaught.

[derrph]

I wonder if vzw would want to keep aws4 for itself, never mind the starving of TMO.

 

With the lowest cell site count of all 4 carriers, vzw has shown it's preference for more spectrum vs densification.

40mhz SDL, even if it'd be a boutique band, is a hell of a lot of spectrum to part with.

Aws4 plus its existing spectrum might be enough for it to ride out the sprint 2.5 onslaught.

They would probably just hoard it the way sprint is hoarding their 2.5 for future use. Vzw has a network layout that don't need fix and have customer numbers to prove that. If this is the case it'll be the battle of the cdma carriers how's going to come out on top.

 

I thought dish and sprint had some type of fixed data service with 2.5 or whatever going on? Or has that ended?

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

They would probably just hoard it the way sprint is hoarding their 2.5 for future use. Vzw has a network layout that don't need fix and have customer numbers to prove that. If this is the case it'll be the battle of the cdma carriers how's going to come out on top.

 

I thought dish and sprint had some type of fixed data service with 2.5 or whatever going on? Or has that ended?

 

 

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Trials so far. If dish buys TMO I think sprint would sell fixed wireless on its own and bundle wireless and compete with TMO-dish.

Heck with the amount of spectrum sprint has, it might be able, rural only, to offer its own iptv platform.

 

That'd be awesome competition for customers!

Two telcos offering bundle of:

Fixed wireless

Wireless

Tv

[derrph]

Trials so far. If dish buys TMO I think sprint would sell fixed wireless on its own and bundle wireless and compete with TMO-dish.

Heck with the amount of spectrum sprint has, it might be able, rural only, to offer its own iptv platform.

 

That'd be awesome competition for customers!

Two telcos offering bundle of:

Fixed wireless

Wireless

Tv

That it would my only thing would be if dish is allowed to buy T-Mobile would he keep john and the current programs T-Mobile has. Or just do away with them for new customers but existing will be able to keep their benefits. Dish wants to see a large profit per quarter. But who knows but it's all eyes on dish right now. For all we know they may shock everyone and use the spectrum for themselves.

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

That it would my only thing would be if dish is allowed to buy T-Mobile would he keep john and the current programs T-Mobile has. Or just do away with them for new customers but existing will be able to keep their benefits. Dish wants to see a large profit per quarter. But who knows but it's all eyes on dish right now. For all we know they may shock everyone and use the spectrum for themselves.

 

 

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DT also wants a huge profit per quarter and softbank for sprint. Legere is doing the best he can with the assets he has.

 

Dot know of I'm remembering correctly but Legere publicly said that his team and him thought that it'd take another 2-3 years to get to where they are now.

[derrph]

DT also wants a huge profit per quarter and softbank for sprint. Legere is doing the best he can with the assets he has.

 

Dot know of I'm remembering correctly but Legere publicly said that his team and him thought that it'd take another 2-3 years to get to where they are now.

I can see him saying that cause T-Mobile was a mess at the time.

 

That's going to be the gamble with dish buying them they would have to come and make profitable changes to the company. I think because of how consumer friendly T-Mobile is that any type of change backwards could mess them up. It's a double edge sword. Not saying that the company is at the mercy of the customer but they are.

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

I can see him saying that cause T-Mobile was a mess at the time.

 

That's going to be the gamble with dish buying them they would have to come and make profitable changes to the company. I think because of how consumer friendly T-Mobile is that any type of change backwards could mess them up. It's a double edge sword. Not saying that the company is at the mercy of the customer but they are.

 

 

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Dish is in a similar position because DirecTV is the more premium company

Charlie's not stupid otherwise he would not have created a company from nothing

[derrph]

Dish is in a similar position because DirecTV is the more premium company

Charlie's not stupid otherwise he would not have created a company from nothing

Exactly. We all just have sit back see what dish does if anything.

 

 

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[Fraydog]

I'm so glad you made Legere be a butthead. So fitting.

 

More by popular demand.

 

[BenChase7]

Exactly. We all just have sit back see what dish does if anything.

 

 

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(off topic) What do you think will become of his SlingTV?

[sbolen]

(off topic) What do you think will become of his SlingTV?

I have a friend who was in the first wave of invites and loves it. I'm tempted... But need a way to watch baseball in the summer around blackouts.

[BenChase7]

I have a friend who was in the first wave of invites and loves it. I'm tempted... But need a way to watch baseball in the summer around blackouts.

What device does he/she use to stream?

[sbolen]

What device does he/she use to stream?

An iPhone, iPad, Roku, and I believe a galaxy tablet.

[bigsnake49]

Verizon does not need to buy Dish. The only standardized spectrum they have is AWS-3. Granted, they have the heft to do it but I think it will be much cheaper to buy EBS spectrum from Sprint. I don't think that Dish wants to become a wireless carrier. Their best best is to have their spectrum hosted by Sprint or T-Mobile. I have long advocated that Sprint use their EBS spectrum to host Dish's fixed wireless and OTT/DVR ambitions while Dish sells their Near PCS spectrum (2000-2020MHz download link, + PCS H). Combine it with PCS G and you have a nice 30x10 band. Both companies sell fixed+mobile wireless+Dish service.

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[BenChase7]

An iPhone, iPad, Roku, and I believe a galaxy tablet.

Thanks for the info... I got an invite, and I'm interested but, I don't use any of those devices.  

[lou99/maximus1987]

Verizon does not need to buy Dish. The only standardized spectrum they have is AWS-3. Granted, they have the heft to do it but I think it will be much cheaper to buy EBS spectrum from Sprint.

but sprint won't or at least shouldn't sell.

[Terrell352]

I have a sling TV invite. Works fine on the nexus 6. I don't like that the navigation buttons don't go away though

[Fraydog]

Verizon does not need to buy Dish. The only standardized spectrum they have is AWS-3. Granted, they have the heft to do it but I think it will be much cheaper to buy EBS spectrum from Sprint. I don't think that Dish wants to become a wireless carrier. Their best best is to have their spectrum hosted by Sprint or T-Mobile. I have long advocated that Sprint use their EBS spectrum to host Dish's fixed wireless and OTT/DVR ambitions while Dish sells their Near PCS spectrum (2000-2020MHz download link, + PCS H). Combine it with PCS G and you have a nice 30x10 band. Both companies sell fixed+mobile wireless+Dish service.

If it's cheaper for Verizon to buy EBS off Sprint, maybe Sprint wouldn't be asking enough for it.

[bigsnake49]

If it's cheaper for Verizon to buy EBS off Sprint, maybe Sprint wouldn't be asking enough for it.

 

Sprint needs to do something with EBS. It's only leased spectrum and the leases will expire at some point or another. So right now it pretty much lies fallow and costs them money. So whether they sell the leasing rights to Verizon, offer fixed wireless on it in conjunction with Dish, they need to do something with it.

[lou99/maximus1987]

Sprint needs to do something with EBS. It's only leased spectrum and the leases will expire at some point or another. So right now it pretty much lies fallow and costs them money. So whether they sell the leasing rights to Verizon, offer fixed wireless on it in conjunction with Dish, they need to do something with it.

They are doing something: keeping it away from duo. That's def worth whatever they're paying for leases.

[lou99/maximus1987]

Hell, T-Mobile has a dense rural network in MN and OK and should be good there once they get LTE there. Other states, they need lots of work. I'm glad S4GRU brought up Viaero, they're really solid.

Anyone know why att hasn't brought them yet? There's a huge gap in Nebraska coverage that'd fill

[Fraydog]

Anyone know why att hasn't brought them yet? There's a huge gap in Nebraska coverage that'd fill

They don't want to sell. Locally owned company that likes having a decent WCDMA/HSPA+. Don't know if they have or are implementing LTE but if they're running DC-HSPA that's probably a luxury for them at this point.