CDMA carriers use more LTE data than GSM.

[lou99/maximus1987]

No, they have not. Much of their networks they did not "build," and those networks are not "nationwide."

 

Or if it is your standard that they do have "nationwide" networks, then so do Sprint and T-Mobile.

 

AJ

Someone built it. I don't care if vzw then acquired it

 

 

308mil out of ?320? is pretty good for a profit-seeking entity.

For the sake of the extra 12mil you want nationalize the networks?

 

Why not do a CAF-type thing to at least give people wireless broadband?

 

Like 5 posts above, I specifically acknowledged duo as superior to !duo AND that for me TMO meets my needs except maybe when I travel to the Atlantic.

 

If people need coverage everywhere then duo is there for them.

 

 

 

 

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[Trip]

One thing I haven't seen here is a good definition of what "nationwide" actually means.  Having studied cell tower deployments in West Virginia, I can tell you that both Verizon and AT&T definitely have large holes over significant geographic areas.  Some of these areas have service from one or the other, but some areas have service from neither (how many people live in those areas, I can't say) and service from US Cellular or, perhaps, no service at all. 

 

- Trip

[greenbastard]

One thing I haven't seen here is a good definition of what "nationwide" actually means. Having studied cell tower deployments in West Virginia, I can tell you that both Verizon and AT&T definitely have large holes over significant geographic areas. Some of these areas have service from one or the other, but some areas have service from neither (how many people live in those areas, I can't say) and service from US Cellular or, perhaps, no service at all.

 

- Trip

For the purpose of this argument, "nationwide" means just that; NATION WIDE. Nobody has a "nation wide" network now nor will have in the near future. Even if every wireless company would create roaming agreements withim themselves and count it as native coverage, there is just no possible way anyone can claim to be "nationwide". The gaps in the American West are still too massive and are not economically feasible to build out.

[Arysyn]

Carriers really ought to avoid using terms such as "nationwide" when describing their networks, if they don't actually cover every bit of the nation they provide wireless service for. It surprises me how much the government is allowing companies to stretch the truth in advertising statements nowadays. Yet, Verizon is being so conservative when it comes to advertising download speeds, which are stated around the same speeds as the much less expensive Cricket.

[S4GRU]

My 300kbps-3Mbps average VZW speeds disagree that they are SO conservative in their advertised download speeds.

 

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[Arysyn]

My 300kbps-3Mbps average VZW speeds disagree that they are SO conservative in their advertised download speeds.

 

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Wow, those are some pretty low speeds!

 

In many areas, their speeds are much greater than they claim, but your experience with Verizon definitely is a reversal from that.

[kg4icg]

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Wow, those are some pretty low speeds!

In many areas, their speeds are much greater than they claim, but your experience with Verizon definitely is a reversal from that.

You do know he was talking about Verizon's 3G CDMA speeds and not there LTE speeds right?

[lilotimz]

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You do know he was talking about Verizon's 3G CDMA speeds and not there LTE speeds right?

Those are his lte speeds.

 

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[Arysyn]

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You do know he was talking about Verizon's 3G CDMA speeds and not there LTE speeds right?

When I wrote the post about the conservative speeds Verizon gives as average speeds, it was regarding their LTE network. Robert responded to that with his average speeds as a way of showing a reversal to that, which indeed it is. I think if he meant 3g, he would have mentioned it. Although likely he wouldn't have responded, as I'm sure he knew I was talking about LTE, not 3G.

[mrknowitall526]

 

 

When I wrote the post about the conservative speeds Verizon gives as average speeds

Verizon must just have an overall conservative approach to certain things ... Like how I can only get 3 Mbps DSL from them even though I have awesome line stats that can support at least 7 Mbps. But they don't want complaints so they keep it low & slow.

[cortney]

When I wrote the post about the conservative speeds Verizon gives as average speeds, it was regarding their LTE network. Robert responded to that with his average speeds as a way of showing a reversal to that, which indeed it is. I think if he meant 3g, he would have mentioned it. Although likely he wouldn't have responded, as I'm sure he knew I was talking about LTE, not 3G.

 

You'd never see anything greater than ~2 megabits on EV-DO as an average.

 

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And to others doubting, those are very real averages that apply to other markets like mine, and others I've visited, too. Regardless of the scope, it does exist. Some are fine, some suck. 

[Arysyn]

 

Verizon must just have an overall conservative approach to certain things ... Like how I can only get 3 Mbps DSL from them even though I have awesome line stats that can support at least 7 Mbps. But they don't want complaints so they keep it low & slow.

Low & Slow is great for BBQ. Not so great for data speeds.

[S4GRU]

Emmm, BBQ. *drool*

 

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[joshnys8913]

I also have to chime in and agree with you that VZW gets preferential treatment the majority of the time, and people gladly allow it. 

Must be well today, I could not believe what I saw today at the tower site where VZW is going in my area, Verizon left the gates wide open to the tower today. Here no one is around and someone could go in there and either mess with equipment or climb the tower and get hurt!! I called our local cops to have someone come lock it but government at its finest "we are not worried about it, it can stay open" is what I heard from the 911 center (we dont have any other numbers to call for issues after hours). I told them I was concerned that someone could get hurt, and the person laughed. I went back up there around 9 when its almost dark out and nothing was done to it so I closed it (but didnt lock it in case they might come back during the night). All because its Verizon they dont care what they do I guess. (Still who leaves a gate to a tower wide open with no one around for hours? In a city near downtown?) We dont have a lot of issues with vandals or theft in my area but I was just a concerned citizen and I think I did the right thing. 

[joshnys8913]

Well looks like Verizon is going fast to the tower by me that I mentioned before, they got the building up and ready to go, that didnt take long!! One thing I never understood, MOST places AT&T and Verizon use buildings for shelter there equipment but Sprint and T-mobile dont unless its a big building shared with others, at least in MY area its what I have noticed. Does AT&T and Verizon have more equipment then T-mobile and Sprint that they need a building (doubt it) or is it just because they have the money to build a building? (well prefabricated). That part of carriers I dont know much about. Anyone know why this may be? 

[Arysyn]

Well looks like Verizon is going fast to the tower by me that I mentioned before, they got the building up and ready to go, that didnt take long!! One thing I never understood, MOST places AT&T and Verizon use buildings for shelter there equipment but Sprint and T-mobile dont unless its a big building shared with others, at least in MY area its what I have noticed. Does AT&T and Verizon have more equipment then T-mobile and Sprint that they need a building (doubt it) or is it just because they have the money to build a building? (well prefabricated). That part of carriers I dont know much about. Anyone know why this may be?

Comcast is pretty shoddy with their equipment here near me. A few years ago, I needed AT&T tech engineers to fix a major issue with my UVerse service. The engineer mentioned Comcast left their connection box unlocked where a bunch of stuff was messily done and fully exposed, where AT&T's was locked. My mother was with him by the boxes where this all was, so she witnessed it.

 

Hopefully, Sprint and T-Mobile both will fix this eventually, as that sounds like a pretty big problem potentially.

[Arysyn]

Also, hopefully this isn't everywhere.

[travismheim]

Well looks like Verizon is going fast to the tower by me that I mentioned before, they got the building up and ready to go, that didnt take long!! One thing I never understood, MOST places AT&T and Verizon use buildings for shelter there equipment but Sprint and T-mobile dont unless its a big building shared with others, at least in MY area its what I have noticed. Does AT&T and Verizon have more equipment then T-mobile and Sprint that they need a building (doubt it) or is it just because they have the money to build a building? (well prefabricated). That part of carriers I dont know much about. Anyone know why this may be? 

The NV base stations don't need to be inside air conditioned hut's, so why put them in one?

[kyle_4thousand]

The NV base stations don't need to be inside air conditioned hut's, so why put them in one?

Maybe because it's a rough neighborhood? I'm sure NV gear has some sort of value on the black market (copper, precious metals, etc) Just my guess.

 

 

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[joshnys8913]

The NV base stations don't need to be inside air conditioned hut's, so why put them in one?

Not sure if you read what I wrote all the way, T-mobile also usually don't have there equipment in a building either (around the towers that I have been to in my area). so this has NOTHING to to with Sprint's "NV".

 

Maybe because it's a rough neighborhood? I'm sure NV gear has some sort of value on the black market (copper, precious metals, etc) Just my guess.

 

 

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I am not in a rough neighborhood at all, its far from that. IF it was a rough neighborhood all the carriers on that tower would be in a building and locked if that was the case (most likely). I mean yea there is a fence but anyone who really wants to steal something or mess with something could jump a fence lol.

[travismheim]

Not sure if you read what I wrote all the way, T-mobile also usually don't have there equipment in a building either (around the towers that I have been to in my area). so this has NOTHING to to with Sprint's "NV".

 

I am not in a rough neighborhood at all, its far from that. IF it was a rough neighborhood all the carriers on that tower would be in a building and locked if that was the case (most likely). I mean yea there is a fence but anyone who really wants to steal something or mess with something could jump a fence lol.

I read what you wrote, I don't know anything about T-Mobile base station equipment. However I do know about Sprint, their stuff is meant to be outside. It lowers operating expenses by not having it in an air conditioned hut. The radios and everything else is cooled by ambient air.

 

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[joshnys8913]

I read what you wrote, I don't know anything about T-Mobile base station equipment. However I do know about Sprint, their stuff is meant to be outside. It lowers operating expenses by not having it in an air conditioned hut. The radios and everything else is cooled by ambient air.

 

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How do you know this? lol 

[Arysyn]

How do you know this? lol

Some people would say dogs are meant to be outside too. However, that is basically only good for large watchdogs kept as a security measure. Most other dogs are much better inside where they can be comfortable. It would be cruel to suggest all dogs should be kept outside for expense reasons, particularly when owners are gone to work for the day.

 

Of course, I could leave my television and my computer outside too without any security, but I doubt that would work out very well. Likely they'd get stolen, obviously. Though, I don't understand why the same thought isn't applied to all wireless equipment.

[travismheim]

Some people would say dogs are meant to be outside too. However, that is basically only good for large watchdogs kept as a security measure. Most other dogs are much better inside where they can be comfortable. It would be cruel to suggest all dogs should be kept outside for expense reasons, particularly when owners are gone to work for the day.

 

Of course, I could leave my television and my computer outside too without any security, but I doubt that would work out very well. Likely they'd get stolen, obviously. Though, I don't understand why the same thought isn't applied to all wireless equipment.

Dogs, your television and computer are terrible analogies. Most (almost all of them) are secured sites with locked fencing around them. Why pay for air conditioning when you don't have to? I'm sure there have been people retarded enough to try and steal equipment from sites but stupid shit happens all the time. Even if you manage to remove a base station or radio head from a site without getting caught, what are you going to do with it? What's stopping some one from breaking into the building and stealing the equipment anyway?

[lilotimz]

Dogs, your television and computer are terrible analogies. Most (almost all of them) are secured sites with locked fencing around them. Why pay for air conditioning when you don't have to? I'm sure there have been people retarded enough to try and steal equipment from sites but stupid shit happens all the time. Even if you manage to remove a base station or radio head from a site without getting caught, what are you going to do with it? What's stopping some one from breaking into the building and stealing the equipment anyway?

Copper theft.

 

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