Jump to content

Sprint + Lightsquared + Dish's spectrum


Recommended Posts

Eventually, Dish and Lightsquared will need a network to host their spectrum (assuming they don't sell it).

 

As Sprint's network is currently planned out, will it be able to host Dish and/or Lightsquared spectrum?

 

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/135045-what-is-lte-advanced/4

 

What are the possible issues?
Backhaul?
Tower spacing?
Competitive issues?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Dish - they never asked Sprint to host their network.

Lightsquared - they're trying to share some spectrum with (NOAA)

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57582692-94/finally-some-good-news-for-lightsquared-and-its-4g-hopes/

 

Early 2012.. 

Government --> Lightsquare -- " NOPE! YOU NO USE SPECTRUM! YOU DISRUPT SATELLITE!"

Lightsquare --> Bankruptcy court , Sprint bails. 

 

 

Circa summer 2012

Dish -> Sprint-- "Hey Hesss--ehhh, how about this. You host our spectrum on your Network Vision towers and we'll let you use it to offload from your network!"

 

Sprint -> Dish ... " I'll think about it..."

 

Softbank -> Sprint " Awww! Let's get on this silk bed and ... talk about our future..."

Sprint -> Softbank " *smooches*, let's get clearwire in here as well.."

 

Dish -> Sprint / Softbank "FUUUUUUUU... I'll buy CLEARWIRE!!!"

Sprint Softbank -> Dish "Fu, majority ownership bish"

 

Dish -> Softbank "FUUU, I'll BUY SPRINT! HESSE! YOU BISH, COME HERE AND WIPE MY SHOES!"

 

Softbank -> "F U! Time to use le maths to prove you are a bish"...

 

~ May 2013...

  • Like 10
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What do you think is going to happen to the spectrum these two hold?

Eventually, it's gonna be used by someone.

 

Maybe, or it may just end up underwater, like a lot of foreclosed homes during the housing crash.

 

I have long been saying that we are unnecessarily flooding the market with so much new spectrum -- AWS-1, AWS-2, AWS-4, BRS/EBS, SMR, Upper/Lower 700 MHz, WCS, 600 MHz -- that the spectrum bubble could burst any day now.

 

AJ

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

What do you think is going to happen to the spectrum these two hold?

 

Eventually, it's gonna be used by someone.

 

 

Maybe, or it may just end up underwater, like a lot of foreclosed homes during the housing crash.

 

I have long been saying that we are unnecessarily flooding the market with so much new spectrum -- AWS-1, AWS-2, AWS-4, BRS/EBS, SMR, Upper/Lower 700 MHz, WCS, 600 MHz -- that the spectrum bubble could burst any day now.

 

AJ

How would it burst? Mobile usage-stuff is increasing, right? And America has ?second? highest data prices?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How would it burst? Mobile usage-stuff is increasing, right? And America has ?second? highest data prices?

 

Adding more and more bands becomes a logistical headache and reduces economy of scale for each band.  Plus, by some models, mobile data usage is already reaching an inflection point.  Moreover, Wi-Fi offloading (unlicensed spectrum) is taking over much of the heavy lifting, and small cells will increase capacity geometrically in existing spectrum.

 

AJ

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Adding more and more bands becomes a logistical headache and reduces economy of scale for each band.  Plus, by some models, mobile data usage is already reaching an inflection point.  Moreover, Wi-Fi offloading (unlicensed spectrum) is taking over much of the heavy lifting, and small cells will increase capacity geometrically in existing spectrum.

 

AJ

 

Aw, AJ, you're no FUN!  You take all the hilarity out of rabid, mindless, hysterical speculating!!! Gee whiz, what a party pooper. :angry:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Adding more and more bands becomes a logistical headache and reduces economy of scale for each band.  

 

Yes, I agree but if the alternative is slower data speeds, won't phone consumers accept the costs? It's not as if we're talking about doubling the price of a phone.

 

 

Plus, by some models, mobile data usage is already reaching an inflection point.  

AJ

 

 

 

I'd definitely like to see that article.

 

 

Moreover, Wi-Fi offloading (unlicensed spectrum) is taking over much of the heavy lifting, and small cells will increase capacity geometrically in existing spectrum.

 

AJ

 

 

 

Aren't those solutions intended for alleviating congestion in relatively small locations like a mall, stadium, etc.?

 

I'm thinking at the macro level at which point peppering cities with small cells might be more expensive than adding another spectrum band.

 

Also, you're assuming antenna technology won't advance much. I know absolutely nothing about antennas. 

 

What about 

 

http://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/files/qualcomm-rf360-front-end-solution-product-brief.pdf

 

It does look like the solution's not optimal so maybe it's meant more as a "we're coming!":

 

http://blogs.strategyanalytics.com/RFC/post/2013/03/19/Does-Qualcomms-RF360-Mean-The-Demise-of-GaAs.aspx

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Softbank -> Sprint " Awww! Let's get on this silk bed and ... talk about our future..."

Sprint -> Softbank " *smooches*, let's get clearwire in here as well.."

O-okay, Son-san... what are... are we gonna do on the bed? And with Hesse-san too... *blushes*

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Maybe, or it may just end up underwater, like a lot of foreclosed homes during the housing crash.

 

I have long been saying that we are unnecessarily flooding the market with so much new spectrum -- AWS-1, AWS-2, AWS-4, BRS/EBS, SMR, Upper/Lower 700 MHz, WCS, 600 MHz -- that the spectrum bubble could burst any day now.

 

AJ

 

24b4yki.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a ton of Spectrum out there already, build more towers with smaller cells, share the existing spectrum better, reband the existing spectrum into useful wideband configurations rather than the crazy ass 30yr old narrow band configs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

Seems like they've been down that road already.

 

 

Dish - they never asked Sprint to host their network.

Lightsquared - they're trying to share some spectrum with (NOAA)

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57582692-94/finally-some-good-news-for-lightsquared-and-its-4g-hopes/

Early on, Dish said they were negotiating with Sprint to host their LTE network on the Network Vision platform. Ergen even tried to get Tmo, AT&T and Sprint to get in a battling war over who could host his network. None for fell for his shenanigans.

 

I believe Ergen always wanted Sprint to host their network, knowing it was the best plan/fit. However, Ergen couldn't get it for below value pricing , and that is why he has started this whole 'let's just buy a network' idea. He thinks he can buy Sprint and/or Clearwire for less money than his hosting deals long term. Ergen is not only shrewd, but he's a bully.

 

Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

 

Early on, Dish said they were negotiating with Sprint to host their LTE network on the Network Vision platform. Ergen even tried to get Tmo, AT&T and Sprint to get in a battling war over who could host his network. None for fell for his shenanigans.

 

I believe Ergen always wanted Sprint to host their network, knowing it was the best plan/fit. However, Ergen couldn't get it for below value pricing , and that is why he has started this whole 'let's just buy a network' idea. He thinks he can buy Sprint and/or Clearwire for less money than his hosting deals long term. Ergen is not only shrewd, but he's a bully.

 

Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

 

 

So wouldn't someone make money off hosting his network? If not Sprint then T-Mobile?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So wouldn't someone make money off hosting his network? If not Sprint then T-Mobile?

In order for Charlie to win, the people he is dealing with must lose. He seems incapable of striking a win-win deal with anyone.

 

Sprint was happy to host Dish's new LTE network on AWS-4 initially. However, Dish's terms were not reasonable. I think that's proven by the fact he couldn't make a deal with anyone.

 

And now the relationship between Dish and other carriers is getting so sour, he may never be able to get a deal with anyone. He may have no choice but to either buy someone out or build a network organically. But it is his darn fault. He should lie in his bed he made.

 

Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a ton of Spectrum out there already

 

Not per person

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/entner-lte-and-us-consumers-are-king/2012-10-19

 

build more towers with smaller cells, 

 

 

 

It's not because the carriers aren't trying: the Supreme Court had to step in to make sure things wouldn't get bogged down even further.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/high-court-uphold-fcc-power-cell-tower-disputes-144027871.html

 

Local municipalities aren't making easy.

 

 

share the existing spectrum better

 

 

 

Who should share with whom?

 

 

reband the existing spectrum into useful wideband configurations rather than the crazy ass 30yr old narrow band configs.

 

 

Do you have tens of billions $$ to pay for people to move to different bands?

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It makes more sense to keep building smaller cells for capacity than to keep adding spectrum and bands.

 

Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

It makes more sense to keep building smaller cells for capacity than to keep adding spectrum and bands.

 

Robert via Nexus 7 with Tapatalk HD

 

Is that cheaper for carriers? They're gonna look for cheapest.

 

And while I understand the concept of small cells, how small are they going to be exactly?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • large.unreadcontent.png.6ef00db54e758d06

  • gallery_1_23_9202.png

  • Posts

    • Some more interesting articles on Dish: https://www.fiercewireless.com/5g/dish-wireless-bakes-core-principles-infrastructure-chua https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/dish-eyes-5g-network-reliability-vericas-chaos-engineering-platform    
    • Financially makes sense, but may put them far behind T-Mobile and Verizon 5g marketing.  Could put them up against Dish if Dish gets their act together and starts their public network in Las Vegas in late February.
    • Fiercewireless put out an article today.  Sounds like AT&T wont get heavily started until later this year when equipment will be more available that supports both 3.45GHz and C-Band.
    • They are using DSS on B5 here, on one carrier. LTE-only on the other AFAIK. I kinda hope AT&T doesn't turn DSS on in markets where dropping H+ bumps them from 5x5 for everything else to 10x10. They have 10x10 of B14 and 5x5-10x10 of B12 to throw users on, and with the delays to their C-Band deployment due to waiting for gear their network is effectively LTE-only in many areas despite an increasing proportion of 5G phones. The network was doing just fine without the extra B5 bandwidth, so not a whole lot of reason to basically go backwards when they said they're dropping 3G to expand 5G.
    • DISH Sets Data in Motion with Confluent, Unlocking the Power of the First 5G Smart Network™   https://ir.dish.com/news-releases/news-release-details/dish-sets-data-motion-confluent-unlocking-power-first-5g-smart
  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...