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Philadelphia Network Vision/LTE Deployment schedule update

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by Robert Herron

Sprint 4G Rollout Updates

Sunday, July 1, 2012 - 12:56 PM MDT

 

The next market in our Network Vision/LTE deployment schedule update series is the City of Brotherly Love...Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Metro market has yet to be announced by Sprint, but is expected to be announced in the near future. Perhaps around the time of the first market launches.

 

The Sprint Philly market encompasses all of Southeastern Pennsylvania. Including the Philly Metro area, up toward the Lehigh Valley (Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton) and over toward Reading and Pottstown. In does not include the Jersey suburbs, which are in the Southern Jersey market. Sprint's Network Vision OEM Alcatel/Lucent is scheduled to be mobilizing their subcontractors around the market now. Completed Network Vision sites are scheduled to start coming online this month.

 

Philadelphia Metro Market Launch

 

It was Sprint's original plan to launch markets when they reached 50% of sites converted to Network Vision. However, it has now been determined that Sprint will move up launches sooner than 50% completion in several markets. This is likely to maintain a Mid 2012 launch in markets that have already been announced. However, in an unannounced market like Philly, we don't know if they will resume pushing back market launches to 50%, or if they will now settle on a 40% completion to be the new normal for market launches.

 

If Sprint waits for 50% completion to launch this market, it would make the launch approximately January (should the OEM stay on schedule). If they plan on a 40% market completion for launch, that would be December. You may think that 40% - 50% site completion is not enough to launch LTE service, but it would provide pretty good coverage. Even Verizon doesn't launch on all sites in a market initially. Usually less than 50%, then filling in with more and more sites every few months.

 

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Anticipated Sites Complete at Market Launch. According to the Network Vision schedules that S4GRU has reviewed, if Sprint launched the market in December, these are the anticipated sites that would likely have LTE complete at that time. This would provide fairly good LTE coverage over many parts of the market.

 

Schedule details and the bottom line

 

We currently do not have a date that Sprint will formally "launch" LTE service in Philadelphia. It is difficult to try to pick a date now this far out, but we will take a stab at it. In looking at the schedule as of today, it would indicate a December or January market launch (going on a 40% - 50% completion for launch). But there is no way to know if AlcaLu and their subcontractors will actually hit their schedule dates this early in the deployment for this market. We will be able to gauge better after a few months of production.

 

Alcatel/Lucent will need to hit a production rate of 50 sites per month to stay on schedule. This is an achievable rate in our opinion. If properly prepared and equipped and if backhaul is ready timely, this market shouldn't have problems staying on time.

 

S4GRU has examined the schedule in great detail in this market and sees that most of the sites will be complete by July 2013. However, there may be a few sporadic sites that will linger past the completion.

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Photo of the Philadelphia skyline provided courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.

 

NOTE: S4GRU Sponsor Members can track regular updates of

Network Vision sites completed nationwide. Completed sites are shown in an interactive Google Maps interface. Information about sponsorship can be found here: S4GRU Sponsorship

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Wow I didn't know that the Philadelphia Market covered Reading and Allentown as well. Darn If only it would have extended a little further west towards York and Lancaster

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Wow I didn't know that the Philadelphia Market covered Reading and Allentown as well. Darn If only it would have extended a little further west towards York and Lancaster

 

Lancaster is in the Central PA market and will not begin until 2013. However, York is a Sprint affiliate market controlled by Shentel. We don't have any detailed info about Shentel deployment. But we have heard reports from other members that Shentel is already working in the Harrisburg area. They may already be in the York area too. Let us know if you see anything on Sprint towers in the area.

 

Robert

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Lancaster is in the Central PA market and will not begin until 2013. However, York is a Sprint affiliate market controlled by Shentel. We don't have any detailed info about Shentel deployment. But we have heard reports from other members that Shentel is already working in the Harrisburg area. They may already be in the York area too. Let us know if you see anything on Sprint towers in the area.Robert

 

Woah I had no idea. Its no wonder that on network.sprint.com there are no upgrades listed for York or Harrisburg areas. Man that just makes it that much harder to know if or when my area will be getting any upgrades.

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Woah I had no idea. Its no wonder that on network.sprint.com there are no upgrades listed for York or Harrisburg areas. Man that just makes it that much harder to know if or when my area will be getting any upgrades.

 

Harder? Perhaps. However, it is likely that Shentel will bring NV/LTE to its coverage area faster than if Sprint were bringing it.

 

Robert

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Great news!!! Any word if these upgrades are going to up the support and speeds for sprints iPhones ?

 

Thanks!!

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Great news!!! Any word if these upgrades are going to up the support and speeds for sprints iPhones ? Thanks!!

 

The Network Vision 3G upgrades will effect the Sprint iPhone 4 and 4S. However they do not support the 800MHz voice upgrades. Apple decided not to include Sprint CDMA 800 in their devices. And, of course, no iPhone to date includes support for LTE anywhere in the world.

 

It is not known now what support the next generation will support on the Sprint network, or any network for that matter.

 

Robert

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Harder? Perhaps. However, it is likely that Shentel will bring NV/LTE to its coverage area faster than if Sprint were bringing it.Robert

 

You sure do have a way of getting my hopes up =) I'll try to get my hands on an LTE device and see if I start picking up some LTE here in York. Thanks Robert!

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The Network Vision 3G upgrades will effect the Sprint iPhone 4 and 4S. However they do not support the 800MHz voice upgrades. Apple decided not to include Sprint CDMA 800 in their devices. And, of course, no iPhone to date includes support for LTE anywhere in the world.It is not known now what support the next generation will support on the Sprint network, or any network for that matter.Robert

 

Thank you so much for sharing all that you do and being willing to answer every and all questions!!! I really appreciate it!

 

Do you know what, if any, other towers Sprint users like my self (iPhone 4s) use when we are "roaming"? Does Sprint have deals with any of the big names in cell networks ?

 

Thanks again! I will keep my eyes glued to this site for the next year while Network Vision is rolling out!

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Thank you so much for sharing all that you do and being willing to answer every and all questions!!! I really appreciate it!Do you know what, if any, other towers Sprint users like my self (iPhone 4s) use when we are "roaming"? Does Sprint have deals with any of the big names in cell networks ?Thanks again! I will keep my eyes glued to this site for the next year while Network Vision is rolling out!

 

Sprint has roaming deals with Verizon, Cricket, Alltel (what's left of it) and dozens of small carriers as well.

 

Robert

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Robert - I live just outside of Philly - King of Prussia - and dont get 4G in my home -

 

Do you think Sprint will turn on LTE by Christmas or sooner?

 

Good stuff you are doing !

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Robert - I live just outside of Philly - King of Prussia - and dont get 4G in my home - Do you think Sprint will turn on LTE by Christmas or sooner?Good stuff you are doing !

 

Sprint LTE deployment is not concentrating on one area or neighborhood within a market. It's more of a shotgun approach. For instance, there are sites around King of Prussia that are early in the deployment, some are in the middle and some are later.

 

Basically, once deployment begins around Philly, KOP should be getting some LTE pretty soon, and then every month or so another site will come live, and then another. Eventually, the whole area will be covered by the end of the deployment.

 

Robert

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What about the Northeastern PA market (Scranton/Wilkes-Barre)? We are not on either this map or the Northern Jersey one. We used to be both an IPCS market and a Nextel Partners market, which has caused a ton of confusion over the past several years as Sprint has handled both transitions very poorly. We still have many areas that are both Nextel heavy and only have 2G data acess/ roaming for Sprint. Any insight that you could provide would be very welcome.

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The Scranton area is in the Sprint Central PA market. Network Vision/LTE deployment is not scheduled to begin until 2013 in that area.

 

Robert, S4GRU.com

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I don't know if sprint is doing some upgrades or if network vision is in progress but my 3G speeds on my 4S has been a horrible 0.03 MBPS at one of my work locations for months. Since yesterday, it has been a solid 1.45 MBPS! zip code 19152.

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I don't know if sprint is doing some upgrades or if network vision is in progress but my 3G speeds on my 4S has been a horrible 0.03 MBPS at one of my work locations for months. Since yesterday, it has been a solid 1.45 MBPS! zip code 19152.

 

It may be Network Vision, as work is starting in your area. Or it may be temporary upgrades that are being done to improve conditions ahead of Network Vision. These are shown at network.sprint.com.

 

Robert

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You sure do have a way of getting my hopes up =) I'll try to get my hands on an LTE device and see if I start picking up some LTE here in York. Thanks Robert!

 

Hey I forgot to ask, even if York is covered by Shentel, would you still happen to know where the Sprint Towers in York are located? That would be awesome. Thanks!

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Hey I forgot to ask, even if York is covered by Shentel, would you still happen to know where the Sprint Towers in York are located? That would be awesome. Thanks!

 

I do not have Shentel site locations. :(

 

Robert

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If I have a few data upgrades slated on the network.sprint.com, could that mean they may be working on LTE then at the same time?

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If I have a few data upgrades slated on the network.sprint.com, could that mean they may be working on LTE then at the same time?

 

In Sprint native coverage, no. In Shentel coverage, possibly.

 

Robert

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Have there been any updates on the Philly Metro LTE rollout?

 

Not yet. Hopefully we will see some signs of life before the end of the month.

 

Robert

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I live in zip code 08104 Camden NJ its a Philly market and i am seeing a lot of work going on the sprint towers, i hope they turn on LTE before December Labor day be much better.

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Any new Sprint customers purchase an LTE device thinking they would be able to take advantage of the existing "Wimax" 4G network while waiting for LTE? I feel duped. I knew I would be waiting several months for LTE but I didnt realize I would be stuck on a particularly slow 3G network until then...

 

disappointed. I was happy with VZW but left due to the end of unlimited data plan...

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...as it turns out, with Spint's current network speeds, I couldn't download more than 2 gigs in a month if I tried....

 

Kerry

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