Network Vision/LTE - Upper Central Valley Market (Sacramento, Stockton, Redding, Eureka & Reno/Lake Tahoe)

[lilotimz]

Yea saw the location of that accepted tower on your map (the reason I took that route home). I was surprised wasn't expecting it to reach that far.

 

Heh. Have fun mapping in the heat!

[BD786]

Picked up lte from Grant line rd to Calvine rd

Where exactly are you getting the LTE on Bradshaw?

[kava]

Where exactly are you getting the LTE on Bradshaw?

The stretch between grant line and calvine rd.

[chaous2000]

 

 

that's actually not true at all. The htc one just has a hard time connecting to sites still being tested. I've seen ridiculous speeds on the htc one

 

 

 

However the problem is htc one owners will run into is our phone, well the sprint version, only supports the older slower 1900mhrz band. And will not support the much faster 800 when sprint flips the switch on that band of lte so sadly we may not see the fastest speeds when it comes to data :-(

 

 

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Two things.

First, RF performance has nothing to do with speeds. lilotimz's post is fairly accurate in assessment of RF performance. Just because it's slightly weaker on RF does not mean it will have slow speeds. Once connected, speeds will still be very fast.

 

Second, 800MHz LTE will not be faster than 1900. It will be the same configuration as Sprint's current PCS LTE, except in areas where the SMR spectrum is limited for Sprint. Therefore, it will have the same theoretical max of 37.5Mbps.

I could have sworn I read that the recently feed up 800 was going to be faster. I need to apologize for my lack of backup evidence as I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it.

 

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[GiantJay]

 

 

 

 

that's actually not true at all. The htc one just has a hard time connecting to sites still being tested. I've seen ridiculous speeds on the htc one

 

 

 

 

 

 

However the problem is htc one owners will run into is our phone, well the sprint version, only supports the older slower 1900mhrz band. And will not support the much faster 800 when sprint flips the switch on that band of lte so sadly we may not see the fastest speeds when it comes to data :-(

 

 

 

 

 

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Two things.

 

First, RF performance has nothing to do with speeds. lilotimz's post is fairly accurate in assessment of RF performance. Just because it's slightly weaker on RF does not mean it will have slow speeds. Once connected, speeds will still be very fast.

 

 

 

Second, 800MHz LTE will not be faster than 1900. It will be the same configuration as Sprint's current PCS LTE, except in areas where the SMR spectrum is limited for Sprint. Therefore, it will have the same theoretical max of 37.5Mbps.

I could have sworn I read that the recently feed up 800 was going to be faster. I need to apologize for my lack of backup evidence as I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it.

 

 

 

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800 will have better building penetration which in turn will give better service and better signal.

 

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[lilotimz]

I could have sworn I read that the recently feed up 800 was going to be faster. I need to apologize for my lack of backup evidence as I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it.

 

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800 will be deployed in either 5x5mhz or 3x3mhz configurations depending on local spectrum availability in lieu of other entities holding portions of the block like Solinco or spectrum squatters... In a 5x5 configuration, the speeds will be no different than PCS other than the fact that you will likely get more usable LTE signal than PCS which translates to better speeds than PCS at the same position as LTE is very signal dependent. 

 

In a 3x3mhz configuration, the theoretical max is something like 22 mbps (?). 

[chaous2000]

 

 

I could have sworn I read that the recently feed up 800 was going to be faster. I need to apologize for my lack of backup evidence as I cannot for the life of me remember where I read it.

 

 

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800 will be deployed in either 5x5mhz or 3x3mhz configurations depending on local spectrum availability in lieu of other entities holding portions of the block like Solinco or spectrum squatters... In a 5x5 configuration, the speeds will be no different than PCS other than the fact that you will likely get more usable LTE signal than PCS which translates to better speeds than PCS at the same position as LTE is very signal dependent.

 

In a 3x3mhz configuration, the theoretical max is something like 22 mbps (?).

Ok that's makes total sense! Thank you!!

 

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[danny12345]

It took them 3 weeks to upgrade the tower on lichen

[Jstates916]

800 will be deployed in either 5x5mhz or 3x3mhz configurations depending on local spectrum availability in lieu of other entities holding portions of the block like Solinco or spectrum squatters... In a 5x5 configuration, the speeds will be no different than PCS other than the fact that you will likely get more usable LTE signal than PCS which translates to better speeds than PCS at the same position as LTE is very signal dependent.  In a 3x3mhz configuration, the theoretical max is something like 22 mbps (?).

 

how come sprint didn't go the 5x10mhz route?

[Dkoellerwx]

how come sprint didn't go the 5x10mhz route?

 

In 800? Nowhere near enough spectrum! 

[lilotimz]

how come sprint didn't go the 5x10mhz route?

Because Sprint only owns ~14 mhz of SMR spectrum in most of the country which allows for one 5x5 mhz LTE carrier  and one 1.5x1.5 CDMA 1xA carrier. Some areas have spectrum squatters or other entities owning slices of the SMR spectrum (there were no build out requirements for SMR) thus Sprint reduces to 3x3. 

[GiantJay]

So does the S4 support 800 lte or not?

 

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[lilotimz]

So does the S4 support 800 lte or not?

 

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No phones support 800 LTE at this moment. There are tri-band LTE dongles announced and soon to be on sale though. FIrst tri-band lte phones are expected around september time frame or Q3/Q4. 

[GiantJay]

 

 

So does the S4 support 800 lte or not?

 

 

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No phones support 800 LTE at this moment. There are tri-band LTE dongles announced and soon to be on sale though. FIrst tri-band lte phones are expected around september time frame or Q3/Q4.

 

Yes I just remembered this. I get confused when people start talking about spectrum so much. And which phones support what.

 

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[Jstates916]

In 800? Nowhere near enough spectrum!

 

how does Verizon run 5x10 in 700mhz then?

[lilotimz]

how does Verizon run 5x10 in 700mhz then?

 

It's not 5x10. It's 10x10 as that indicates that there are 10mhz dedicated for upload and 10 mhz dedicated for download (75 / ~25 DL -UL). Easy answer? They bought the entire 700 block for several billion dollars. 

 

 

-- Side Note -- Sensorly showing 4G in Rancho Cordova which is way out of range (i think) of the accepted LTE cell site way south of mather. Could be another site approaching completion around Rancho Cordova so keep your eyes out  and sensorly running over there.

 

[Deval]

Rule of thumb is, almost every phone sold since late 2011 supports 800mhz 1x voice, so you instantly get enhanced voice coverage. No devices support 800mhz LTE yet.

[kava]

It's not 5x10. It's 10x10 as that indicates that there are 10mhz dedicated for upload and 10 mhz dedicated for download (75 / ~25 DL -UL). Easy answer? They bought the entire 700 block for several billion dollars. 

 

 

-- Side Note -- Sensorly showing 4G in Rancho Cordova which is way out of range (i think) of the accepted LTE cell site way south of mather. Could be another site approaching completion around Rancho Cordova so keep your eyes out  and sensorly running over there.

 

I maped some lte on my way to work on Sunrise for about 3/4 mile but it was more towards Grand Line, I don't see it on sensorly? I didn't pick up any lte between Grant Line and Calvine like a did yesterday..

 

EDIT: i see it now had to zoom out lol

[adamkedkad]

I went out to calvine and Bradshaw last night and drove all the way up Bradshaw till grant line and couldn't get an lte signal anywhere. . I had sensorly mapping my route the entire time as well

 

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[lilotimz]

I went out to calvine and Bradshaw last night and drove all the way up Bradshaw till grant line and couldn't get an lte signal anywhere. . I had sensorly mapping my route the entire time as well

 

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Because you driving "up on bradshaw till grant line" meant you went south whereas the cell site with LTE is up north over on jackson road (highway 16)... I'm pretty sure one tend to not get a LTE signal if you're driving away from it... 

[adamkedkad]

Thats the thing I was headed to oz korean and decided to head south just to check if I got signal. Didn't get signal so I headed back toward oz and still nothing

 

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[lilotimz]

Thats the thing I was headed to oz korean and decided to head south just to check if I got signal. Didn't get signal so I headed back toward oz and still nothing

 

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Bradshaw road are covered by other sites and that sector is possibly set for a higher downtilt than the ones facing grant line road. The area towards grant line / sunrise are more rural so the downtilt are probably not set as high as the one facing bradshaw which are more residential. 

[adamkedkad]

 

 

Thats the thing I was headed to oz korean and decided to head south just to check if I got signal. Didn't get signal so I headed back toward oz and still nothing

 

 

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Bradshaw road are covered by other sites and that sector is possibly set for a higher downtilt than the ones facing grant line road. The area towards grant line / sunrise are more rural so the downtilt isare probably not set as high as the one facing bradshaw which are more residential. The colored markers along bradshaw road are other cell stes.

 

higher downtilt means less cell range?

 

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[lilotimz]

higher downtilt means less cell range?

 

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Yep. Downtilt, in very simplistic terms, is basically the angle that the antenna is pointed at the ground. 

[LuisBOSS302]

a really really tall brick building?

a little southwest of the chase building, or another direction?

Take a look at the picture I took when driving, it's the best I could take :/

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pl4one7ii4gvth5/2013-06-28%2012.15.10.jpg