Softbank - New Sprint - Discussion

[Deval]

Legere does not buy pink T-shirts. Pink T-shirts spring forth fully formed out of his ass.

 

AJ

Oh god I just spit water all over my dinner. That is the funniest thing I have read in a very long time.

 

 

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[WiWavelength]

Oh god I just spit water all over my dinner. That is the funniest thing I have read in a very long time.

 

Robert better not give you my address.  Otherwise, you and Dave are going to start sending me bills for dinners and keyboards.

 

 

AJ

[S4GRU]

What I'm seeing as odd is that TMO has zero 700mhz correct? Well except for that VZW which isn't national.

 

Sprint needs really low frequency spectrum which its 800mhz can't handle heavy demands.

 

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I don't think they NEED more low frequency spectrum. LTE 800 is to be used only when you can't get any Band 25 or Band 41 signal. So a 5MHz channel should be able to serve those people fine. Even 3MHz should be enough for those hard to reach places.

 

90% of Sprint customers should be covered by Band 25 or 41 at build out. Sprint just needs to be aggressive to keep people off Band 26 when its capacity reaches 50%. Above 50%, no one should be allowed on a Band 26 channel that has a usable Band 25 or 41 channel within 'sight' of the device.

 

Don't get me wrong. More low frequency spectrum would be fabulous. Especially in the southeast.

 

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[S4GRU]

Robert better not give you my address. Otherwise, you and Dave are going to start sending me bills for dinners and keyboards.

 

 

AJ

I have a feeling the 'Omaha, Omaha' address you gave me is not valid. I have been told that Omaha is in Nebraska, not Omaha.

 

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[DaQue]

In St Louis the single PCS LTE carrier seems to be at or over capacity a lot of places. If you think about it a 20x20 some of the others have would handle 4x as many people as Sprint's single 5x5. If they already had the license and free spectrum I think the should have done the G slot and another one when they first accepted them the first time.

 

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[S4GRU]

In St Louis the single PCS LTE carrier seems to be at or over capacity a lot of places. If you think about it a 20x20 some of the others have would handle 4x as many people as Sprint's single 5x5. If they already had the license and free spectrum I think the should have done the G slot and another one when they first accepted them the first time.

 

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The biggest factor why the 5MHz channel is full in St. Louis is that there are so many sites left to finish. Every site that gets added increases capacity significantly. Also, as Triband device adoption grows, it will remove a lot of pressure from Band 25 in the areas where Band 41 is live.

 

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[Deval]

The biggest factor why the 5MHz channel is full in St. Louis is that there are so many sites left to finish. Every site that gets added increases capacity significantly. Also, as Triband device adoption grows, it will remove a lot of pressure from Band 25 in the areas where Band 41 is live.

 

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That is the factor that most people are forgetting. As more sites come onair in clusters, and are optimized with tilt and direction, we will see a better experience.

[WiWavelength]

I have a feeling the 'Omaha, Omaha' address you gave me is not valid. I have been told that Omaha is in Nebraska, not Omaha.

 

You can use the address of my other residence in New York, NJ.

 

AJ

[S4GRU]

You can use the address of my other residence in New York, NJ.

 

AJ

ROFLMAO!!

 

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[Fraydog]

The biggest factor why the 5MHz channel is full in St. Louis is that there are so many sites left to finish. Every site that gets added increases capacity significantly. Also, as Triband device adoption grows, it will remove a lot of pressure from Band 25 in the areas where Band 41 is live.

 

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Was there any way Sprint could have bought the SpectrumCo AWS? Or is this only the type of black magic that was possible under SoftBank ownership of Sprint?

[cdk]

The biggest factor why the 5MHz channel is full in St. Louis is that there are so many sites left to finish. Every site that gets added increases capacity significantly. Also, as Triband device adoption grows, it will remove a lot of pressure from Band 25 in the areas where Band 41 is live.

 

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That is the factor that most people are forgetting. As more sites come onair in clusters, and are optimized with tilt and direction, we will see a better experience.

 

If my memory is correct, Sprint also acquired another 5 MHz of PCS in St Louis with the spectrum deal with USCC. IIRC they initial didn't even want it... Hopefully they will also add another Band 25 carrier using that spectrum.

[Conan Kudo]

Was there any way Sprint could have bought the SpectrumCo AWS? Or is this only the type of black magic that was possible under SoftBank ownership of Sprint?

Originally, Sprint owned a stake in the venture. Sprint asked the cable companies to buy them out, so they did in August 2007.

[S4GRU]

If my memory is correct, Sprint also acquired another 5 MHz of PCS in St Louis with the spectrum deal with USCC. IIRC they initial didn't even want it... Hopefully they will also add another Band 25 carrier using that spectrum.

 

I'm guessing they will wait until deployment is much farther along to see if build out solves the problems.  Because a second carrier will not be needed at every site.  Just the ones that one is not enough.  I'm guessing they will wait farther along in deployment.  Chicago is essentially built out, so the second carrier is definitely needed.

 

Robert

[cdk]

I'm guessing they will wait until deployment is much farther along to see if build out solves the problems.  Because a second carrier will not be needed at every site.  Just the ones that one is not enough.  I'm guessing they will wait farther along in deployment.  Chicago is essentially built out, so the second carrier is definitely needed.

 

Robert

 

Makes sense, keep the Ace up your sleeve until you really need it.

[Fraydog]

Originally, Sprint owned a stake in the venture. Sprint asked the cable companies to buy them out, so they did in August 2007.

That's under Forsee "leadership" - he thought WiMAX was going to rule all. It's amazing how off he was on his vision and how Sprint is STILL paying for the mistakes he made.

[DaQue]

The biggest factor why the 5MHz channel is full in St. Louis is that there are so many sites left to finish. Every site that gets added increases capacity significantly. Also, as Triband device adoption grows, it will remove a lot of pressure from Band 25 in the areas where Band 41 is live.

 

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I thought that for a while there must be something else I am overlooking because as more sites come on line expanding the continuous LTE coverage some sites speed have gone from great to ehh and back to under 0.1 Mbps. Maybe it's all those S3/4s they were setting to CDMA only switched to LTE. Or my back up reason for slow Internet, too much porn being downloaded.

 

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[Conan Kudo]

That's under Forsee "leadership" - he thought WiMAX was going to rule all. It's amazing how off he was on his vision and how Sprint is STILL paying for the mistakes he made.

Ain't that the truth!

 

He probably set Sprint back more than a decade. Cutting off investment, spinning off mobile broadband assets, "firing" subscribers, etc.

 

That said, Hesse has largely righted the ship since 2011. And unlike his unlikable predecessor, Hesse recognizes mobile broadband and fixed wireless is going to be core to Sprint's future growth.

[S4GRU]

I thought that for a while there must be something else I am overlooking because as more sites come on line expanding the continuous LTE coverage some sites speed have gone from great to ehh and back to under 0.1 Mbps. Maybe it's all those S3/4s they were setting to CDMA only switched to LTE. Or my back up reason for slow Internet, too much porn being downloaded.

 

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I just did a quick look of the complete LTE sites in St. Louis and I can unequivocally say that the uncompleted sites are spread out enough that every single live LTE site is serving too many customers.  Especially considering Sprint has a 25 share in St. Louis.  One of its largest markets for Sprint in the country.  Second among Top 25 markets, and may even be number one now since Sprint has picked up some USCC subscribers there.  Only AT&T has more customers there.

 

One incomplete site, surrounded by a whole bunch of complete ones even causes a lot of burden.  And most of St. Louis has a group of two or three uncomplete sites surrounded by complete ones.  So the traffic from the uncomplete sites gets passed on to the ones around, putting them over capacity.  And when the site that is complete goes over capacity, it starts sending traffic to other adjacent sites that are on the other side that are complete, and they get near or over capacity too.

 

So every time a site is completed, it not only starts relieving the site adjacent, but the sites two away start to get relief.

 

In a really quick take off, I counted ~100 sites complete in St. Louis & the Missouri suburbs.  I counted ~75 remaining to receive LTE.  So if a 5MHz channel for 175 sites provided 100% of the LTE capacity needed, you can see how dividing that among only 100 sites would cause a significant problem.

 

If St. Louis was this far along only 12 months into Network Vision, it would be doing fine.  But with the LTE device adoption rate that Sprint has in general now, with one 5MHz channel across a market that is only 57% deployed and has such a large Sprint market share, the current network condition is to be expected.

 

Fortunately in St. Louis, Sprint can deploy another Band 25 carrier to immediately double capacity to all LTE customers.  And they can also add Band 26, tripling LTE capacity for Triband device customers.  And even better still they can add several Band 41 carriers increasing LTE capacity exponentially still.  So it may be darkest before the dawn, but it will just get better and better after the worst.  Which is probably between now and 80% LTE completion.  After 80%, you probably will feel every site that goes live.

 

Robert

[Fraydog]

St. Louis should become a Spark market ASAP. And I'm not just saying that because I'm close to the Lou.

[S4GRU]

St. Louis should become a Spark market ASAP. And I'm not just saying that because I'm close to the Lou.

 

It's already half done.  I'm surprised it hasn't already been announced.

 

Robert

[WiWavelength]

And I'm not just saying that because I'm close to the Lou.

 

I, too, am close to the loo.  It is just one door down the hall and on the right.

 

 

AJ

[cdk]

It's already half done.  I'm surprised it hasn't already been announced.

 

Robert

 

There are a lot of 4G only sites in St Louis. Are they still working through CSFB/eCSFB issues there?

[S4GRU]

There are a lot of 4G only sites in St Louis. Are they still working through CSFB/eCSFB issues there?

 

Being an Ericsson market with Nortel legacy, it probably is working to some extent on legacy sites.

 

Robert

[Fraydog]

I, too, am close to the loo. It is just one door down the hall and on the right.

 

 

AJ

We all know you hate St. Louis.

[DaQue]

I just did a quick look of the complete LTE sites in St. Louis and I can unequivocally say that the uncompleted sites are spread out enough that every single live LTE site is serving too many customers. Especially considering Sprint has a 25 share in St. Louis. One of its largest markets for Sprint in the country. Second among Top 25 markets, and may even be number one now since Sprint has picked up some USCC subscribers there. Only AT&T has more customers there.

 

One incomplete site, surrounded by a whole bunch of complete ones even causes a lot of burden. And most of St. Louis has a group of two or three uncomplete sites surrounded by complete ones. So the traffic from the uncomplete sites gets passed on to the ones around, putting them over capacity. And when the site that is complete goes over capacity, it starts sending traffic to other adjacent sites that are on the other side that are complete, and they get near or over capacity too.

 

So every time a site is completed, it not only starts relieving the site adjacent, but the sites two away start to get relief.

 

In a really quick take off, I counted ~100 sites complete in St. Louis & the Missouri suburbs. I counted ~75 remaining to receive LTE. So if a 5MHz channel for 175 sites provided 100% of the LTE capacity needed, you can see how dividing that among only 100 sites would cause a significant problem.

 

If St. Louis was this far along only 12 months into Network Vision, it would be doing fine. But with the LTE device adoption rate that Sprint has in general now, with one 5MHz channel across a market that is only 57% deployed and has such a large Sprint market share, the current network condition is to be expected.

 

Fortunately in St. Louis, Sprint can deploy another Band 25 carrier to immediately double capacity to all LTE customers. And they can also add Band 26, tripling LTE capacity for Triband device customers. And even better still they can add several Band 41 carriers increasing LTE capacity exponentially still. So it may be darkest before the dawn, but it will just get better and better after the worst. Which is probably between now and 80% LTE completion. After 80%, you probably will feel every site that goes live.

 

Robert

 

Thanks, we are seeing some 2600 Mhz LTE here already. After the N5 gets its update and Lilg740 can move over there it will help I'm sure. Just kidding. Seriously more phone s using band 41 will help.

 

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