Debate on whether you should offload smartphone data on WiFi, even though you pay for "unlimited"

[pyroscott]

So you're saying there can not be a debate or opposing views ? Name calling is not needed. Thanks..

 

Opposing views are fine, but you better have a better body of evidence to back up your agruement than the "I'll use what I pay for," tired line.

 

Are you saying I am name-calling?

[DaQue]

I think he is just saying they can't condone using your phone as your ISP for your computer, tethering with out a tethering contract. Debate about while your setting at home doing whatever on your just phone debate about if you should use your WiFi connecton or Sprints bandwidth should be fair game IMHO . I watch Youtube my phone right now because its 2x faster than my WiFi. Almost everyone has faster WiFi right now than Sprint 3G so most should use WiFi when its available. I will in a week, but if your stuck in the position I was I don't see using the faster service a evil as long as its within reason. Its the I don't give a dam I will download all I wan't people that will get a phone call from Sprint and maybe kicked off anyway.

[WiWavelength]

So you're saying there can not be a debate or opposing views ?

 

The debate is well settled at this point. Offloading is the way of the future. Carriers, themselves, speak incessantly about heterogeneous networks, i.e. a mix of large and small cells.

 

Now, do you want to leave that entirely up to the carriers? If so, we will all be paying the price for data -- either in higher costs or in slower speeds.

 

Alternatively, you can participate. Offload to Wi-Fi whenever realistically feasible, thus improve the wireless experience for both yourself and your compatriots.

 

Name calling is not needed. Thanks..

 

I agree. But we have plenty of naive members who come into these forums, write using poor English skills, and believe that their perspectives are beyond reproach.

 

We try to educate them. When they vehemently object, they deserve to be put down with extreme prejudice.

 

AJ

[picciloplayer]

So we get to disagree , great.

[Zman1369]

I now have incredible lte speeds in my area all the time, even in my house,,, that being said when I am home I always use my home wifi. Why? Because it is MY network and nobody else but ME can use it,, plus I pay for it. I don't like to share,, lolololol.

 

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[jcrowder3]

So we get to disagree , great.

You are very entitled to your opinion. Even if it isn't the same as mine or others. One of your early posts appeared to encourage unresponsible use of Sprints NV. We have been reading and learning that in general people will use all the bandwith that makes things easy. As more becomes available, they will find more ways to use it... Streaming HD video, Video calls, etc. Sprint currently has less then acceptable service speeds in many areas. NV improvements will solve that, but nothing can solve it for the future if people don't try and be responsible with this shared resource. You want to tether? Hey that's fine. Sprint requires a tethering contract (and it IS data capped). One of the biggest issues on this board is people want NV to work. It (and Unlimited plans) will only remain viable for the long term if either gets rid of people using their phone as a home ISP (without a tethering addon) or if the sprint community educates itself to better self regulate.

 

I have read thousands of posts and understand that network performance is very much impacted by Abusers. People who might look at LTE and say "I can save $50/month by just hooking my xbox and tv to use my fast LTE connection". I don't think you are in that crowd. Sprint Unlimited is for your phone. If you want to have the bandwidth to stream netflix on your phone while you are waiting for your car to be repaired (Which I think you SHOULD be able to do) then its necessary that people refrain from using mobile data for purposes it was not intended/designed (Use as a perminant ISP). You know I (and I believe most of the members here) wouldn't even object to incidental use (You need to make a hot spot for a presentation to a civic group, etc.) of IPS data.

 

Anyway, Welcome to the group. I hope you don't feel too beat up. Just be aware that there are a number of people that feel if they can get away with it, its ok. I feel (I won't speak for all here) that just because its convienient to get rid of your fast food trash, you shouldn't throw it out the car window... It just comes down to the golden rule.

 

Again Welcome!

[Ascertion]

I just read a post over on XDA that a guy is using 10gb of data a day. What the hell can you even do on a phone that uses that much? What makes it worse is that he's aware Sprint doesn't allow that.

 

 

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[bookertdub]

I just read a post over on XDA that a guy is using 10gb of data a day. What the hell can you even do on a phone that uses that much? What makes it worse is that he's aware Sprint doesn't allow that.

 

 

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I don't feel so guilty using between 11 to 15 gigs a month on my phone.

 

[WiWavelength]

I just read a post over on XDA that a guy is using 10gb of data a day. What the hell can you even do on a phone that uses that much?

 

That is possible but exceedingly unlikely on EV-DO. Is this on LTE?

 

Regardless, I read some time ago that network use tends to go like this.

 

For 90 percent of users, their use does not impact the network negatively. For the next five percent of users, they just need a little bit of education about the impact of their use. For the next four percent of users, they need stern reprimands about the impact of their use. And for the last one percent of users, they need to be permanently barred from the network (and flogged within an inch of their lives).

 

AJ

[Ascertion]

That is possible but exceedingly unlikely on EV-DO. Is this on LTE?

 

Regardless, I read some time ago that network use tends to go like this.

 

For 90 percent of users, their use does not impact the network negatively. For the next five percent of users, they just need a little bit of education about the impact of their use. For the next four percent of users, they need stern reprimands about the impact of their use. And for the last one percent of users, they need to be permanently barred from the network (and flogged within an inch of their lives).

 

AJ

It was on LTE, and I think the last one is a bit harsh. lol I think proper education would work - but I think you're right to an extent, the last 1% (such as the one who is knowingly abusing the network) deserves a bit more than proper education.

[Ascertion]

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I don't feel so guilty using between 11 to 15 gigs a month on my phone.

11-15 gigs a month is high, but nothing compared to 10 gb a day.

[WiWavelength]

I don't feel so guilty using between 11 to 15 gigs a month on my phone.

 

You should feel a little bit guilty. That is too much data usage -- both for the experience of your fellow users and for your own mental health. And you can use rationalization to excuse many things. "At least, I'm not as bad as that guy."

 

AJ

[bookertdub]

 

You should feel a little bit guilty. That is too much data usage -- both for the experience of your fellow users and for your own mental health. And you can use rationalization to excuse many things. "At least, I'm not as bad as that guy."

 

AJ

 

 

I probably should've prefaced that by pointing out that I do use WiFi wherever is available. About a year ago it would be a consistent 20gigs. I'm sorry that I've reduced my usage of Sprint's network by 45% from that period. You should be thankful that I use WiFi. That usage rate would be 2 or 3 times if I didn't go out of my way to use it. I am following Sprint's TOS using that data exclusively on my phone and not illegally tethering and violating said TOS.

 

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[WiWavelength]

I probably should've prefaced that by pointing out that I do use WiFi wherever is available. About a year ago it would be a consistent 20gigs. I'm sorry that I've reduced my usage of Sprint's network by 45% from that period. You should be thankful that I use WiFi. That usage rate would be 2 or 3 times if I didn't go out of my way to use it. I am following Sprint's TOS using that data exclusively on my phone and not illegally tethering and violating said TOS.

 

Oh, yeah, I am thankful that you use Wi-Fi and that you have reduced your load on the Sprint network by 45 percent to only 11 GB per month. Would you like a hearty round of congratulations?

 

On the other hand, I am sorry for you that you are such a phone addict. That does not bode well.

 

AJ

[bookertdub]

 

Oh, yeah, I am thankful that you use Wi-Fi and that you have reduced your load on the Sprint network by 45 percent to only 11 GB per month. Would you like a hearty round of congratulations?

 

On the other hand, I am sorry for you that you are such a phone addict. That does not bode well.

 

AJ

 

Basically in a nutshell, I do a lot of traveling with the work I do. I have the Slingbox, NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB At Bat apps which allows me to watch my favorite sports teams anywhere there is an internet connection. 90% of that data use is to those apps.

 

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[Ascertion]

Basically in a nutshell, I do a lot of traveling with the work I do. I have the Slingbox, NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB At Bat apps which allows me to watch my favorite sports teams anywhere there is an internet connection. 90% of that data use is to those apps.

 

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At least you're in different locations, so you're not really burdening anyone in a particular area.

[WiWavelength]

Basically in a nutshell, I do a lot of traveling with the work I do. I have the Slingbox, NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB At Bat apps which allows me to watch my favorite sports teams anywhere there is an internet connection. 90% of that data use is to those apps.

 

I appreciate the disclosure. But that is high throughput, completely non-critical data usage that affects the ability of users around you to access the data network. Your monthly usage is easily 5-10 times that of what the Sprint network can confidently support per sub. Does that bother you?

 

AJ

[WiWavelength]

At least you're in different locations, so you're not really burdening anyone in a particular area.

 

Unfortunately, changing locations does not really matter. The law of large numbers suggests that the loading on sites will tend toward a long term average -- basically, as one heavy user exits a cell, another heavy user is just as likely to enter the cell.

 

AJ

[Ascertion]

 

Unfortunately, changing locations does not really matter. The law of large numbers suggests that the loading on sites will tend toward a long term average -- basically, as one heavy user exits a cell, another heavy user is just as likely to enter the cell.

 

AJ

That explains why there's always an overweight fellow at the Golden Coral.

 

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[WiWavelength]

That explains why there's always an overweight fellow at the Golden Coral.

 

Indeed, yes, it does. It also relates to the Lewis Black observation/joke that "at the Waffle House, there will always be someone who weighs 150 pounds more than you will ever weigh."

 

 

AJ

[digiblur]

Turn on your connection optimizer and let it control your wifi offloading.

 

It quietly builds lists of all the access points seen, the ones you connected to along with the sid, nid, base station id, mac id, lat, and long. Also ties in your text message receiver process and searches your phone for root as well

 

But I do believe it is a decent little app to throw on the phones for the masses as it does offload things. I took it off of mine as I don't like stuff I can't control. I use wifi at home even though the evdo from the airvana is mine. I even have it by my front window so others at the school campus can use it too since this is a dead area.

 

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[irev210]

I appreciate the disclosure. But that is high throughput, completely non-critical data usage that affects the ability of users around you to access the data network. Your monthly usage is easily 5-10 times that of what the Sprint network can confidently support per sub. Does that bother you?

 

AJ

 

I suppose a bigger question is - if sprint can't support allowing customers to use their devices as they please, should they?

 

You could make the same argument about highways. When they become overburdened, you get gridlock. Even though your gas tax dollars go to maintaining the highway so you can use it, should you avoid highways for the greater good? Probably not (the decision to sit in traffic is typically based on need, desire, and alternative route options - not "should I avoid the highway to reduce congestion"). This is why they have toll roads that are in the middle of highways. Those who feel there is a greater value of subsidizing others to sit in traffic and pay a premium not to, in certain areas, have the ability to do so.

 

The guy has a choice of service, he can use 10 gigs on Sprint for N dollars a month or use 10 gigs on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile for X/Y/Z dollars a month.

 

He looked at providers of service, cost of what he wanted to do, and selected the best option for himself. I don't think a customer who picks a service based on what is offered should be burdened with contemplating the network load he is adding. That should be left to Sprint, their network engineers, and their marketing guys who decide how much data to offer and at what price.

[centermedic]

I suppose a bigger question is - if sprint can't support allowing customers to use their devices as they please, should they?

 

You could make the same argument about highways. When they become overburdened, you get gridlock. Even though your gas tax dollars go to maintaining the highway so you can use it, should you avoid highways for the greater good? Probably not (the decision to sit in traffic is typically based on need, desire, and alternative route options - not "should I avoid the highway to reduce congestion"). This is why they have toll roads that are in the middle of highways. Those who feel there is a greater value of subsidizing others to sit in traffic and pay a premium not to, in certain areas, have the ability to do so.

 

The guy has a choice of service, he can use 10 gigs on Sprint for N dollars a month or use 10 gigs on Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile for X/Y/Z dollars a month.

 

He looked at providers of service, cost of what he wanted to do, and selected the best option for himself. I don't think a customer who picks a service based on what is offered should be burdened with contemplating the network load he is adding. That should be left to Sprint, their network engineers, and their marketing guys who decide how much data to offer and at what price.

Sprint(like very other carrier) has determined how high the average data usage can be and still turn a profit. In the case of Verizon and AT&T they made that determination and figured out how much their network could handle. When you cross the line in either profitability or capacity then you see what the big two have done. That should be the biggest argument for the individual sprint user to offload when possible. Any other behavior indicates that you either don't care if the price goes up or you are willing to change carriers multiple times.

[irev210]

Sprint(like very other carrier) has determined how high the average data usage can be and still turn a profit. In the case of Verizon and AT&T they made that determination and figured out how much their network could handle. When you cross the line in either profitability or capacity then you see what the big two have done. That should be the biggest argument for the individual sprint user to offload when possible. Any other behavior indicates that you either don't care if the price goes up or you are willing to change carriers multiple times.

 

My response was to AJ talking about non-critical data usage and how it impacts other sprint users and if it bothered the sprint subscriber.

 

My position on wifi offloading is posted pages back.

[S4GRU]

That explains why there's always an overweight fellow at the Golden Coral.

 

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