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    Pixel 4/4XL

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    1 hour ago, ingenium said:

    No benefit for limiting streams, Google just cheaped out on engineering the RF front end.

    Can't imagine Goog would take a shortcut on their latest Pixel phones. They seem to be busting their ass to catch up/surpass Apple. Doesn't make sense to me.

    NSG is Network Signal Guru. It's a root application that ties into the Qualcomm diagnostics port on the modem. It basically let's you see everything. Here's a screenshot showing 3xCA B41 from my Pixel 3 XL recently

    Ah ok I remember trying that a long time ago. It's not supported on the 4 XL at the moment but it's being worked on??

    Yes I'm in a Samsung market.

    I don't have another device to test with simultaneously. But I believe B41 with 64 QAM upload maxes out around 12 Mbps. So if I can get 17-20 Mbps, then it's doing 2xCA. That speed isn't possible on a single B41 carrier unless 4x4 is used with rank 3 or 4.

    Another member on the board, @Terrell352 (see link here) is pulling 37+ upload in the Denver market with his S10. If the 4 XL can do this too, I will get one ASAP. Just need confirmation :fingers:

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    Pixel 4/4XL

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    1 hour ago, ingenium said:

    With 3xCA, I think the 3 and 4 are both limited to 4x4 on 2 carriers and then 2x2 on the third? Or else it's 4x4 on one carrier and 2x2 on the other 2. Basically neither can do 4x4 on all 3 carriers.

    What would be the benefit/rational for limiting MIMO streams?
    Do any other manufacturers also limit?
    What are the real-world differences limiting vs not limiting?

    Since the engineering screens are basically broken, the only way would be to hope you have a good signal in a store and run a speed test on B41. See if the upload is higher than a single carrier can do. Or wait until NSG gets support for it and I can check and let you know.

    NSG???????

    I'll try to remember to run a speed test when I'm near a site and see what my upload is.

    That would rock. Do 5 or 10 speedtests comparing the N10/N10+ and the 4 XL and post results. Are you in a Samsung market? 

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    Pixel 4/4XL

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    1 hour ago, ingenium said:

    The 4's SoC / modem is capable of all of those. It's possible that Google gimped the RF front end in a way that disables them (like they did with limiting MIMO streams), but they should all work. Generally Pixels support all CA combos that the SoC does.

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    they limited MIMO streams on the 4?

    how can i get confirmation if the UL CA configurations are there and work before purchasing one??

    Pixel 4/4XL

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    13 minutes ago, ingenium said:


     

     


    All can do 3xCA B41. The Pixel 2 I think can also do 2xCA B25, along with the 4. Not sure about the 1.

    Only the 4 can do 4x4 MIMO I think, but at least in Samsung markets Sprint isn't using rank 3 and 4 yet so there's no speed improvement with it, only improved signal quality. The 4 can do 256 QAM, but I'm not sure about the others. The 2 might be capable as well.

    The 4 should also be able to do B25-41 and B26-41 CA. It's in testing in some markets, but there's no way to force it on Pixels unlike Samsung devices. Who knows when Sprint will actually push out the carrier provisioning to turn it on on devices.

    The 4 can also do HPUE on B41, but in my experience HPUE doesn't help much. When the signal is low B41 is crap and sending messages can fail. It seems like it just makes the phone hold onto B41 past the point of being usable. The 4 can also do B41 2x UL CA I think, and the others can't.

    Honestly, the only thing that would make a real world difference in my opinion is FDD-TDD CA, but it's almost certainly not live yet on the 4 (NSG isn't working on the 4 yet so no way to confirm, but I never saw FDD-TDD on the 3 and it should be capable of it as well). And the fact that the 4 supports wifi calling and VoLTE.

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    Thanks for the input. I'm essentially interested in the UL CA. 25+41, 26+41, 25+26. Not sure if any devices can do them but I would be happy if so.

    Pixel 4/4XL

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    Can someone comment on the network speeds with their Pixel 4 XL compared to the Pixel 2 XL or Pixel 1 XL?

    Trying to decide if upgrading would be worth it or not for me. Would really like to know it's Aggregation capabilities.

    Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

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    1 hour ago, Terrell352 said:


    This is a easy one the Pixel 2 CANNOT use interband ca on Sprint. Any device using the snapdragon 835 or lower cannot do it. The Pixel 2 can only do b25+b25 CA and b41x3 CA. Same goes for the Note 8, and S8 all which have the snapdragon 835.


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    Thanks. Let me know what you find out on the 4 XL when you have time.

    Marcelo Claure, Town Hall Meetings, New Family Share Pack Plan, Unlimited Individual Plan, Discussion Thread

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    2 minutes ago, ingenium said:

    If I remember correctly it's also possible on the Pixel 3. Not sure about the 2. Pixels don't have a CA combos screen like Samsung (and maybe LG) phones. The only way to confirm to my knowledge is with NSG when it's active. Google disables the diagnostic port so you can't use Qualcomm tools to pull the CA combos directly from the modem.

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    Wouldn't carrier aggregation be listed in the specs somewhere and for which bands?

    Official Magic Box discussion thread

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    15 hours ago, jasonsteele said:

    My 2nd gen updated today and enabled WiFi backhaul. Not going to use it, since it has a good B41 connection.

     

    Made three calls, VoLTE has not connected yet.

     

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    I would use the Wifi...

    Coverage Map Update 11/21

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    21 hours ago, Brad The Beast said:

    I'm noticing some new giant dead spots along I-29 in ND now. Central MN as well. Also SE MN, central MI, southern OH, parts of KY, VA, NC, SC, GA. It's like they just went in and carved some areas out. Seems like they cut out along major interstates. Maybe a cost saving measure to remove roaming?

    By just looking at the maps? Wonder if it's just a map mistake, but the roaming is really still there??

    Pixel 4/4XL

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, mikejeep said:

    Is anyone else unable to disable the Hotspot once you turn it on? I am on the November update.

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    I am able to enable/disable it on the Pixel 2 XL (w/ November update).

    Pixel 4/4XL

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    1 hour ago, crazy_vag said:

    Is it just my Pixel 4 XL that's still running with Oct 5, 2019 security level?  I haven't gotten any updates since setting up the phone.

    Have you done a manual check?

    Official Magic Box discussion thread

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    26 minutes ago, crazy_vag said:

    Well, I've had the magic box working for a week now using WiFi, and I can actually get some usage stats. Take a look:

    Sprint ought to pay me for the service I provide since there's no way me and my wife use 10 GB per week. 😎

    Are you in an apartment?

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