FCC Revokes Net Neutrality [WAS: FCC Approves Net Neutrality]

[JThorson]

What is every ones thought on this? You think it is good or bad? It will be interesting to see what happens and how many lawsuits follow this.

 

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/fcc-approves-net-neutrality-rules-wireless-putting-future-zero-rating-plans/2015-02-26

 

[BlueAngel]

I think it's great.

 

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[JeremiahMcCurry]

Great overall. I'm sure no plan is without consequences or hiccups, though. 

[WiWavelength]

Cue the kicking and screaming from some ISPs any moment now.  Well, here is a message to those ISPs.

 

If Net Neutrality will stifle your investment -- because you cannot further monetize your network with non neutral practices for short term profit -- then you are free to leave at any time.  Exit the business.  Just drop off your public property of easements and spectrum by the door on your way out.  Other forward thinking, less short term profit obsessed ISPs, as well as municipal utilities, co-ops, etc., with an interest in the public good and a long term focus on ROI will fill the void you left.

 

AJ

[WiWavelength]

Everyone, here is your assignment.  Read the official FCC release and commissioners' statements:

 

http://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adopts-strong-sustainable-rules-protect-open-internet

 

AJ

[WillM]

Wouldn't people be better off reading the 300 plus pages that spell out the regulations rather than a press release? And unless I'm not seeing it that link doesn't even include the dissenting opinions.

 

I'm not for this for a variety of reasons one of them being I have no idea what it entails and from reading comments today from supporters it seems they don't either. If these rules create more hoops to jump through or hurdles that end up being barriers to entry I can see the big incumbents secretly liking this proposal. If government wants more competition in wireless why don't they stop hoarding spectrum and just flood the market with it driving down prices? Selling in dribs and drabs just ensures the big dogs will win.

[WiWavelength]

Wouldn't people be better off reading the 300 plus pages that spell out the regulations rather than a press release? And unless I'm not seeing it that link doesn't even include the dissenting opinions.

 

The full order has not yet been officially released.  It is nowhere to be found.  But if you can, go ahead and provide a link to it.  S4GRU is all about total information.

 

And the dissenting statements -- as party line as they are apt to be -- have not yet been disclosed either.  Otherwise, they would have been included in the news release.  That is standard FCC practice.

 

AJ

[lou99/maximus1987]

Cue the kicking and screaming from some ISPs any moment now. Well, here is a message to those ISPs.

 

If Net Neutrality will stifle your investment -- because you cannot further monetize your network with non neutral practices for short term profit -- then you are free to leave at any time. Exit the business. Just drop off your public property of easements and spectrum by the door on your way out. Other forward thinking, less short term profit obsessed ISPs, as well as municipal utilities, co-ops, etc., with an interest in the public good and a long term focus on ROI will fill the void you left.

 

AJ

Except it's the small ISPs that have complained about title ii

 

 

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[lou99/maximus1987]

The full order has not yet been officially released. It is nowhere to be found. But if you can, go ahead and provide a link to it. S4GRU is all about total information.

 

And the dissenting statements -- as party line as they are apt to be -- have not yet been disclosed either. Otherwise, they would have been included in the news release. That is standard FCC practice.

 

AJ

Yet senator obama demanded in 2007 that fcc release the plan pre vote and said 30 days wasn't enough.

 

http://techfreedom.org/post/111905535764/obama-used-to-care-about-fcc-transparency-before

 

 

 

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[WiWavelength]

Except it's the small ISPs that have complained about title ii

 

Let me my invoke my inner "60 Minutes" Mike Wallace...

 

Really?  Just the small ISPs?  All of them?  And none of the big ISPs?

 

AJ

[lou99/maximus1987]

Let me my invoke my inner "60 Minutes" Mike Wallace...

 

Really? Just the small ISPs? All of them? And none of the big ISPs?

 

AJ

Why are the small ISPs and wisps against this? You want things to be run by coops and such yet they're against this proposal.

 

 

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[WiWavelength]

Yet senator obama demanded in 2007 that fcc release the plan pre vote and said 30 days wasn't enough.

 

http://techfreedom.org/post/111905535764/obama-used-to-care-about-fcc-transparency-before

 

Your citation comes from a noted right wing "think tank" blog.  And the author is Berin Szoka -- the less I say about that guy, the better.  View the piece through that filter.

 

AJ

[lou99/maximus1987]

Your citation comes from a noted right wing "think tank" blog. And the author is Berin Szoka -- the less I say about that guy, the better. View the piece through that filter.

 

AJ

Did obama say that or not? Do you want me to find you a transcript on a different site?

 

 

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[WiWavelength]

Why are the small ISPs and wisps against this? You want things to be run by coops and such yet they're against this proposal.

 

You did not answer my questions, maximus.  You just returned with more questions of your own.  Surprise, surprise, surprise.  A leopard cannot change its spots.

 

AJ

[lou99/maximus1987]

You did not answer my questions, maximus.  You just returned with more questions of your own.  Surprise, surprise, surprise.  A leopard cannot change its spots.

 

AJ

 

All the ISPs oppose this. Why do the small ones oppose it also?

[skid71]

Why do you have such a hard-on for trolling?

Seriously

[lou99/maximus1987]

You citation comes from a noted right wing "think tank" blog.  And the author is Berin Szoka -- the less I say about that guy, the better.  View the piece through that filter.

 

AJ

 

And ars, gizmodo, the verge are all left-wing. Doesn't mean that when they state facts I ignore them.

 

But I guess you care so here's the text of Senator Obama's letter from a source that you would like:

Although such a proposal may pass the muster of a federal court, Congress and the public have the right to review any specific proposal and decide whether or not it constitutes sound policy. And the Commission has the responsibility to defend any new proposal in public discourse and debate.

 

http://www.openleft.com/diary/2982/

 

Seems like the FCC should've followed Senator Obama's recommendation?

[lou99/maximus1987]

Why do you have such a hard-on for trolling?

Seriously

 

I'm asking relevant questions about the topic. What's the problem?

[WiWavelength]

And ars, gizmodo, the verge are all left-wing. Doesn't mean that when they state facts I ignore them.

 

But I guess you care so here's the text of Senator Obama's letter from a source that you would like:

 

Do you think that a statement made eight years ago by someone who was a senator then but is president now is necessarily relevant today?  Could circumstances, responsibilities, and perspectives have changed?

 

But if we are just posting hit pieces about people and their actions, here is a far more topical, nuanced, and recent article -- from an actual journalistic establishment, too -- about Berin Szoka and his "non profit think tank:"

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/09/05/opponents-of-net-neutrality-have-begun-some-grassroots-organizing-of-their-own/

 

AJ

[lou99/maximus1987]

Do you think that a statement made eight years ago by someone who was a senator then but is president now is necessarily relevant today?  Could circumstances, responsibilities, and perspectives have changed?

 

But if we are just posting hit pieces about people and their actions, here is a far more topical, nuanced, and recent article -- from an actual journalistic establishment, too -- about Berin Szoka and his "non profit think tank:"

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/09/05/opponents-of-net-neutrality-have-begun-some-grassroots-organizing-of-their-own/

 

AJ

 

The issue is making the FCC proposals public before they're voted on.

 

"Most transparent administration", remember that?

 

Since when is the principle in transparency in FCC proposals subject to change based on circumstances, responsibilities and perspectives?

Unless the circumstance is out of power vs in power? Is that a valid excuse to demand transparency from an FCC of the opposite part yet reject it when you appointed its majority?

 

 

And just because someone is anti-consumer on one position doesn't mean they can't be pro-consumer on another position:

You oppose Sprint unlocking its phones because it's not fair for Sprint - anti consumer - but your other stated telecom views that I can think of are pro consumer.

[JThorson]

No matter what happens, some people will be for and some people will be against this. I don't see this getting enacted anytime soon. I am guessing it will be awhile before these laws take place. I for one am okay with it.

[lou99/maximus1987]

No matter what happens, some people will be for and some people will be against this. I don't see this getting enacted anytime soon. I am guessing it will be awhile before these laws take place. I for one am okay with it.

 

We have to swallow it before we're told what's in it. Great for the matrix, not so good for public policy.

[9690austin]

So is this pretty much not allowing your provider to block content and slow down your data. So does this not allow wireless carriers to not throttle your data. This is my view on the topic or what I picked up. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks

[caspar347]

The only thing about all of this that worries me is the alarming number of "Does this mean Verizon can't throttle my grandfathered unlimited plan anymore?" comments.

 

Wireless is totally different from wired from a network management and usage standpoint, yet it seems that the vast, vast majority of people don't understand that and want no-throttle (of any kind) policies enacted for mobile.

 

I wish one of the big-name tech sites would look at this issue and maybe do some writing on it.

 

Besides that, this is great news. Consumers will benefit.

[lou99/maximus1987]

Internet speech regulation:

 

Despite this success, the FEC finds itself locked in a renewed debate over the regulation of online political opinions. The debate was triggered last October when commissioners split 3-3 in a case involving a group that posted two political videos on YouTube without reporting them to the FEC. Three commissioners (including the co-author of this piece) voted to exempt the YouTube videos from regulation under the 2006 Internet rule while three voted to investigate and regulate the organization. Two months later, commissioners split again over the metes and bounds of the 2006 Internet freedom rule in a case involving an organization that simply posted political news releases on its own website. Even though it would require four votes for the FEC to regulate the Internet, these close votes and the risk of idiosyncratic case-by-case enforcement inevitably discourage citizens and groups from speaking freely online about politics.

 

Following these deadlocks, the FEC held a hearing this month on Internet regulation and other issues. About 5,000 citizens submitted comments urging the FEC to keep its hands off the Internet. Three former FEC commissioners and five nonprofit groups testified that the Internet should not be regulated. Even “a little” regulation, they maintained, would suppress significant amounts of political speech — for no compelling reason. Significantly, as one former FEC commissioner testified, a decade of free Internet speech has not given rise to corruption. Freedom has served us well.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/fcc-internet-regulations-ajit-pai-115399_Page2.html#ixzz3StLWfZPm