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Officially a member of the P5 family now. 

Anyone requested to revert back from ROAMAHOME? It seems it's inclusion on my device/line is automatic, but I have Sprint 5g at my home, and my Sprint LTE service (historically speaking) has been better than the TMO LTE service. 

Even with that said, TMO 5g is strong, and I've had no issues with TMO LTE, but just am guessing Sprint is better, and frankly, I'd prefer the ability to do some light testing. Any feedback is appreciated. 

Also @mikejeep from your above post - 

I did some reading from industry analyst(s) who provided cost estimates of various mobile SoCs over the years. 

If those are correct, Qualcomm's price for the 865 is approximately $120-$130. This is still not including the required 5g modem. 

He pegs the 765G at $40. 

Looking backward to the the unit cost of the SoC in the P3 & P4 ($ ranging in the forties and fifties) indicate that, at $40 , Google's selection of the 765G represents a very similarly priced part to their previous models. This is obviously only one part in the whole bill of materials amidst the entire development and cycle of a phone (engineering, parts (BoM), assembly, marketing, etc)

Thanks @mikejeep

With the above in mind, the lack of support for mmWave or even "mmWave coming soon" for Sprint/Tmobile in the cells below is confusing.

It is even more confusing when you look at the cell for Fi... "mmWave coming soon". I must be missing something big because there are discrepancies here 

I4L

in 4 later. 

Google official documentation does not mention support for mmwave on TMO

i4l. 

Fort Worth based. 

Is there a consensus opinion (or even objective proof) about RF performance between the P3XL and P4XL, w/r/t holding or picking up weak signals? 

2 hours ago, ingenium said:

Yeah it should be able to go faster, but honestly does it really matter? On macros and SCs, the added speed is more about the capacity to handle more users. But on a MB where you'll likely only have a couple users (or at least only a couple simultaneous users), I don't know why faster would make a difference on a phone. I doubt anyone would notice 80 vs 140 Mbps outside of speed tests.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if something internally is limited to 100 Mbps. If it was, that, combined with the ipsec VPN overhead, might explain the ~80-85 Mbps max speed.

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That's a good point about usability. I guess I was testing more so for proof of concept than "will my experience be better" b/c you're right....not much gained from normal phone usage for everyday tasks if you are at 80+ (or 140). Practically, average speeds on LTE backhaul across the home are between 20-80 with an average in the 30s I reckon. 

Like I replied above, I'll do some further testing - just because I'm curious, not because I'm troubleshooting per se - and add here. 

20 hours ago, crazy_vag said:

Could you give WiFi a try and see what results you get on it?  (Bonus if you can try 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz, since I could only get it to connect to the 2.4 GHz channel to my Google WiFi).

I'll try to do this week and report anything of note. I expect speeds in between ethernet and LTE

On 12/13/2019 at 11:07 AM, ingenium said:

The MB maxes out at about 85-90 Mbps, regardless of backhaul. It seems to be some kind of hardware limit, either on the LTE eNB or on the ipsec tunnel. The Airave 4 is exactly the same.

Both my Airave and MB are connected via Ethernet on a gigabit connection and max out at that.

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Interesting, Thanks for sharing @ingenium

We just moved and the new house merits a MagicBox. I have the Gold model.

We have gigabit (true 1000up and 1000down) ethernet and also observed a maximum DL speed of approx 60-70mbps IIRC w/ ethernet backhaul on the MagicBox Gold. 

Shame because I see regular DL speeds of 100-140mbps on Sprint LTE in the DFW area, including within .5 miles of my home. It was nice to have a fallback connection of 100+mbps at our old address on Sprint LTE. I have since left the MagicBox on LTE backhaul and seem to get about 40mbps max in limited testing. 

...You would think the MagicBox could output a higher speed when fed with 1gbps wired connection. 

edit: I could also try wifi backhaul, but I would guess it provides an even worse experience compared to ideal situation ethernet backhaul should provide. 

just requested a Magic Box and was told I was receiving Gold. 

After setting my parents up with the original AirRave, I hope its a better experience than that was. I watched a setup vid on YouTube and it seems straightforward and much simpler then before. 

9 minutes ago, crazy_vag said:

I got the Pixel 4 XL activated via eSIM and RCS took a few hours longer to activate after LTE, 1x/3G, VoLTE and Wi-Fi calling were all working.  Have you tried checking again recently?

Thanks for the data point about your experience with the 4XL. 

I read this article which came out over the weekend and toggled it manually (though it could be broken by Google at any point, seems like an official/unsupported means of obtaining RCS)

https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/10/26/screw-your-carrier-heres-how-to-enable-rcs-in-the-messages-app-yourself-right-now/

After I followed those steps, it worked for me. With that few people have it. 

Is anyone else having trouble w/ RCS on the 3XL? 

I activated my 3XL on sprint via eSim about 4 days ago, and the prompt within android messages is not showing as capable. 

I have VoLTE and Wifi calling enabled, but I don't think RCS should be affected by those....

23 hours ago, nexuss4g said:

Im suprised that the Pixel 4 does not support Wifi Calling as Pixel 3 does. I guess we are going to have to check it out when it comes out.

It could, but as of that post, it was not specifically listed in FAQ part of the linked page. It could also be capable, but not activated at launch. Who knows. 

RCS confirmed per this link - https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/18/20920928/pixel-4-rcs-messaging-no-support-verizon-tmobile

VoLTE is confirmed per sprint support

https://www.sprint.com/en/shop/services/volte.html

WiFi calling is not

https://www.sprint.com/en/support/solutions/services/faqs-about-wi-fi-calling.html

We can assume RCS is "enabled" I believe, at least between another eligible Sprint phone.

Would be very surprised with a 5G pixel this year, I would also like one, but leaks do not corroborate it. 

I do fully expect VoLTE w/ P4 on Sprint from launch. 

i4l

Patient Bear for VoLTE on my Pixel in the DFW area.

I4l

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I4l

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Sprint and Google go back pretty far (Google voice integration comes to mind) so I have some rationalisation for waiting.

~$832 is a lot of money for the Pixel XL after sales tax in Texas.

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He might mean purchasing another device via upgrade and selling it to use towards the Pixel..??

 

Try sprint.com. I noticed I can upgrade through the website now with my Sero 500 plan. In the past I would have to call in and be transferred to the employee line even though I didn't work there anymore.

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Looks like best buy, etc have killed sprint upgrades through their POS. As far as I know there is no way to get this phone for subsidised price anymore. I

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Debating on using my upgrade for an iPhone 7+ and selling it and my N6P to get this phone. I have been sitting on an upgrade for over a year now (yes my older plan still allows upgrades).

 

What do you guys think??? Worth it?

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Id bet the LG phone is released before the Nexus ships, unless there was something amiss in the language from LG.

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