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800SMR 1x is definitely on the NV 1.0 rollout as that started last year in some markets.

Corrected my post!

Just wanted to ask for clarification on this term. What all it involves, time table, and if there is a schedule for this. Is it currently going on? What should I be looking for or notice?

NV1.0= complete physical replacement of sprints legacy network. New modular gear will be installed including modular base stations, multi band and remote control-able antennas that support 800/1900 and upgraded backhaul. 800 smr voice being added.

NV2.0= activation of SMR 800 LTE. In addition, Clearwire TD-LTE sites will be utilizing 2500 mhz on near every 39,000 sites according to network president at sprint in huge 20mhz carrier aggregated channels. The 800 smr for voice and lte is starting in markets like chicago first.  2500 is going to had at least 5,000 sites up by the end of the year, but since softbank has deep pockets. Expect more sites on by the end of the year. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/3747-network-vision-10-and-20

Some of this may overlap too.

For your 4g moments lol

Digiblur, what kind of rollout timeframe are you expecting for LTE 800? Does the end of the year for a large majority of LTE 1900 accepted sites seem realistic or is that just wishful thinking?

I believe robert(s4gru) said that chicago would be one of the first cities that would get 800 lte and that would happen around 3 months from when the iden network would be shut down. I will become regular part of the installs now, and so u will get 3g/4g/1x voice and 800 lte on one site. Now if they get all accepted on that site at one time, we will see lol

att is doing it on some of there 700 lte sites, that is how they can get higher speeds then verizon.

So. I am noticing EHRDP for the first time at my house today. Near 101 and cactus. Is this a good thing And actually rocking some decent 3G speed for the first time in months. Have I been placebo'd Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

It is a good thing, because it means the market is upgraded to the new software that is used for 3G/4G hand offs. Yet a market can go back and forth from evdo to ehrpd. Phoenix is starting to new 4g on towers now, most of it. As u have read, is back haul related. Sprint would have been make to make 250 by the end of the year. If it wasnt a lost down in providers who bringing them backhaul.

You can doubt it, but that's not what the date means.  It means that if the rate at which sites were accepted the past three weeks were maintained from here forward, then the last site in the market would be NV converted in September 2013.  The date is more about measuring the rate of production than it is about a date of completion.

 

Robert

That makes sense, and I knew it was a measure of something. I am glad u said it, now I know

Is the date listed for "Current Production Rate Completion" the estimate for when all sites in that market are expected to be at least 3G accepted? I'm guessing that's the case, rather than it meaning when all sites will be 3G/4G/1x 800 accepted, because there's no way the Chicago market will be finished by the end of September at the current rate of acceptances. The percentage of sites live with LTE only went up from 77 to 78 since the previous update 3 weeks ago.

It is network 3G/4G complete, It doesn't include network vision 2.0 as we call it around here with 800 lte and sprint getting back the 2600 from clear.  Chicago would be done in the end of september, but honestly I doubt it too. We will probably see 800 lte before all of chicago is done with 3g/4g

YOU GUYS ! YOU GUYS ! I was on the east side and right by the easy side library by the swimming place I got LTE ! I was using my phone and I saw it switch from 3G to LTE really fast !

HEY U GUYS!!!

I am in, I have never done fantasy hockey league, I think it would be fun. Also be a good way for yes all to keep giving each other a hard time lol

I don't have much exceptions for the acquisition of the US Cellular spectrum.  I think the default view of a corporate merger or sale is that it takes quite a long time, many years, to see a full transition from one service or product to another.  My expectation is that when USC sold their spectrum to Sprint it would be 2-5 years before any of that was actively realized, deployed, and marketed by Sprint, and thus available to the consumers.  Didn't SW Airlines acquire AirTran in 2009, for years later they are still operated as completely separate entities.

This is a little different then airline, the airline had to get FAA approval to operate as one airline and then they got to merge the routes together. Airtran is uses a lot of 717's and some 737's. Southwest uses just 737, they also have to write standard operating procedures for the one combined airline, They have to merge websites and reservation centers etc etc. The uscc sale, sprint just bought it for the spectrum and uscc dump the subscribers on them too. Sprint has been sending out letters to uscc customers telling them that they need to switch over. As it says above, it will be shut down on january 31 or sooner. Then they will re-purpose that really quickly, it is already built into the phones, so no new phones to buy. Over all I cant wait for what is going to happen in chicago, I know they have some trouble spots, but overall everyone (on s4gru) knows that sprint is going to have a awesome network next year at this time. By then I can upgrade to tri-band and smoke everyone out of the water who has att or verizon and still have unlimited

It's actually a little disconcerting to see that 85% of towers are live with LTE 1900 when LTE is only available maybe 40-50% of the time in my experience. Hopefully it's just that most of my time is spent in the remaining 15%, not an indicator that this whole thing isn't ever going to work well. Because many sites near me aren't LTE, you have a much better shot at getting LTE outdoors. The decreased indoor coverage radius from a tower combined with the dearth of LTE sites in the first place makes indoor LTE a rare event for me. 

as soon as they get it on all the towers, they can just the down tilt of the antennas and that will help out a lot. Some of the towers are set to cover a wider area, because the the other towers are not turned on yet.

Ok, thanks! They've set a deadline to have 800 LTE up and running from all sites that currently have 1900 LTE by the end of this year, so you should start seeing those pretty soon.

Robert(s4gru) said that in about three months from the shut down of nextel network, chicago would have 800 lte. They would be one of the first markets. so just give it time, I just wish they could get backhaul to the rest of the sites and finish chicago.  I would love for chicago to be the first market done with network vision with 800 lte and 2600 lte.

Didn't the Softbank CEO say Sprint would eventually match Verizon's coverage?

From what I remember and found it article too. He wants to make the network to be the worlds best, I honestly dont think they will bulid base stations in a lot of areas that they dont have coverage now. But hey, if he proves me wrong. I am not again that . I honestly think they will just buy a small companies to expand there network.

I was wondering if you guys had any insight on this. I understand they're redoing the existing towers but many cities have grown since sprint last did much with the network infrastructure and the fringes are either on the edge of coverage & weak or completely outside Sprint's coverage. Will sprint ever expand in these types of areas? Any guess when?

Well for cities that have service already, they will expand the area with 800 that got from shutting down the nextel network, and honestly we will just see what they do after network vision is close to done. Now that they are owned by softbank. I can see them expanding a lot, Softbank wants to attack the big two. They have done a good job overseas, so I can see it happening in the usa too.

So it is like big bang, Because that elevator hasnt worked since the show started lol

 

 

I was a Sprint customer earlier this year but in March I was forced to switch to AT&T because of Sprint's network being unusable and me roaming like a crazy data freak. My parents keep saying I should switch back to Sprint but I've been spoiled with the sheer speed of AT&T's BLAZING FAST LTE. I just want to know if Sprint in the East Bay has improved to near AT&T coverage and speed because their network is crazy fast and has coverage everywhere I have been this whole year. I have recently started to look at Sprint's LTE coverage and was amazed that Alameda and the entire East Bay was fully orange. I know that their coverage maps aren't 100% but it's still an improvement over the Sprint I left. I just have some questions like:

1. Do you get relatively decent in building penetration with LTE?
2. Are the speeds comparable to AT&T's LTE and even HSPA+?
3. Has 3G improved from 0.21 mps?
4. Do voice calls drop as often?
5. Has Sprint started to deploy anything on the 800 band in this area?

I'm not trying to bash Sprint in anyway I just want to know if the overall experience has improved greatly or should I just wait until they finish NV in the Bay and the greater LA area? 

 

EDIT: Changed AT&T screenshot and added around the time I left Sprint screenshot for comparison.

1. U will not get the same buliding coverage with sprint lte until they start using 800 for lte. They are working on that right now, by the end of the year most of the sites should be 800 for voice and have lte on them also.

2. Att lte I believe has what they call a 10mhz by 10mhz in sfo, so u can see speeds up to 75 mbps per a second and until sprint starts using td lte from what use to be clearwire(now sprint lte) It wont be as fast, but honestly anything over 6 mbps u wont see a difference.

3. 3g is getting upgraded long with 4g on sprint, so that is getting better. Honestly sfo is just over 50 percent of lte sites turned on, so u dont have it everywhere yet.

4. With the new 800 voice, they are using voice technology that has 4x the use on it. So it helps with drop calls and has better signal then on the 1900. So yes less drop calls.

5. They have 800 voice in some areas not all yet, and it will be all over sfo soon. It is a samsung market loves turning on 800, I believe they and the contractor get paided if the 800 goes on lol.

My honest opinon would be to wait until christmas, by then sfo will be nearly done and it will have 2600 lte. Also the new tri-band phones will be out and u can take advantage of what we call network vision 2.0 :-). I hope this answers your questions, thanks for stopping by s4gru and if u want to see the progress donate some money, this website is right. It helps me understand what was going on with sprints upgrade and made me stay with them. I also got to have unlimited data, I am data hog when I travel.

If u donate suggestion 10 bucks or more (basically help cover costs and s4gru time) u can see all the cell sites and which ones have what on them already.

I became a sponsor today because of the great information shared here. Can't wait for Waukesha to get turned on

Thanks for your donation, I did the same thing. This site, helped me from almost throwing my phone at the wall. Chicago market was rough on sprint users, Yet it has the most sites done and has had voice on 800. Which I love, I loved my nextel for that and now I love my sprint service with it :-)

P.S. I also have learned so much about wireless technology

Is Clearwire deploying TD-LTE on brand new sites or are they shutting down previous Wimax sites and retooling them for TD-LTE? I wouldn't mind seeing TD-LTE on the current Wimax footprint at all!

They are developing on existing sites, most of clears equipment was set-up to where they could switch it to lte. I believe it was a simple card switch, I know a few pre-wimax markets may need a new base station, but I believe most of the first markets that clear developed in have been switched to base station that could handle lte.  The td-lte will be using portion of the nice spectrum that isnt being used anyways :-)

I think a lot of sites are just waiting for backhaul at this point.

That is the biggest problem with network vision as a whole, backhaul. I think if sprint knew, that backhaul would slow them down so much. They would have ordered it a lot sooner, also u have everyone upgrading to lte all at one. That doesnt help when everyone is trying to get backhaul, it is great for the companies that provide the backhaul though

Thats what I always wondered why other carriers have more panels on towers than sprint. Almost all sprint towers here in Miami have 1 panel per sector, where as other carriers have 4-5 per sector. Is this due to different technologies and/or more traffic the cell site serves??

U got to remember, that att and verizon. They both have a lot of money, so they decided lets throw up some antennas on a rack when we upgrade to lte. Then add another cabinet on the ground. I know I have heard that verizon also uses different haul for 3g and fiber for 4g. They waste so much money it is crazy, even though sprint is playing catch up on lte. They have a plan that helps them make more money in the long run. That is what network vision is all about, I hope this helps them keep unlimited internet. Because I love not having to worry about what I use my phone for. On a side note, att and verizon have realized this is really smart way to increase profits. U will be seeing a network vision from them soon, I know it.

LTE on 800MHz and small cells will provide the fill in coverage you're looking for. LTE 800 deployment starts this summer. Small cells by the end of the year.

 

Robert via Samsung Note II via Tapatalk

I hope we will get to know where sprint puts the small cells, like we know about the cell sites are know

I have found that u get slower speeds at airports with sprint 4g, as far as I know sprint hasn't upgraded the das at all airports it has, so the 4g you are getting is from towers near by. So it will be slower with all the users. I know in time, sprint with get to it. That is also something that after they buy clear, that will get better too :-)

looks like 800 is back on for me, I have missed it since they turned it off after testing it in my area. I hope it stays on, I am getting solid four bars when I a normally get 2-3 bars on 1900

It's right across the river from Fargo, ND. It's about 200 miles from Canada I believe