The_Chemist

eHRPD runs on PCS/1900Mhz, it is just a software overlay for EvDO Rev A to allow "seamless" communication between CDMA and LTE

Thank You!

May I ask a question?  I looked all over these threads, but could nor find the answer, unless I overlooked something.

What frequency is eHRPD on?  Is it 1900 MHz or 800 MHz? 

That's all I am receiving with my new Tri Band LG G2 until the fallback issue is rectified.  I'm just curious. 

Thanks!

jamess32, on 14 Nov 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

This happens to a lot of people, but to get this glitch evaluated we need to make a runngin list of names that has this issue.

Could it be that when the phone is on LTE and it is paged by the network ,to tell the phone it has a call - it just doesn't fall back to 3G properly to connect?

Has anyone who has had LTE issues now getting LTE?  Anyone seeing progress on this issue yet?

Not yet in the Harrisburg Shentel area.  I eagerly check each day!

Good thing the GN3 doesn't have Triband. I am missing the screen size, I had the N2 and loved the screen. The first at my job and not the last. The N2 was damaged easily. I dropped the G2 three times, no dents, or cracks. I may need to replace my phone though the rf performance is about the same as the N2's. Though I had B41 connected even in a building. Anyway I'm glad I have the G2 now, the best build quality since..... Droid 2? Well out of the phonesthat I have had. Battery is good gets me throughout a days use. Cyanogenmod messed up my rotation, so for now I have that off, but everything works, except for GPS(on the rom).

I'm waiting for the GN4.  Supposed to have a 16 MP camera.  I'm sure the next generation of phones for Sprint will be Tri Band.  I miss my GN3 screen and keyboard too, but I think the G2 is actually a better device.

Having had the Note 3 for 40 days and the G2 now since Monday I will say what makes the Note 3 great is the size.  I do notice the G2 being noticeably smaller and this is the screen itself and not just the actual slimmed out phone.  I like the N3 screen better for everyday tasks (homescreen, email, internet, ect) but the G2 screen in my opinion hands down beats the N3 for video.  I do not like having the G2 buttons on the screen as it is just weird having them on the phone and I keep missing spacebar and hitting the buttons.  With that said the hard Samsung buttons are typical Samsung garbage and feel like they will eventually break (I am looking at you home button) which indeed did get stuck on me a few times in my short time of usage.  I don't think Samsung has improved much on their button issues since the galaxy S2 with its noted power button failure.  The removable back of the N3 also seems flimsy and had an annoying squeak if you touched it in the right place.  As for the cheap silver material running around all 4 sides of the N3 it is really weak and dents if you even look at it the wrong way.  I am extremely careful with my phones and never have scratch or dent issues but the N3 was denting from day one.  If it is in your pocket with anything else expect some dings.  All cases I tried just made the phone 2 bulky and the Samsung s view case does not protect the 4 sides.  The G2 while plastic seems much more sturdy.  I have read many complaints about the dirt and print issues with the G2 in black but I got white and the phone stays very clean.  I have not tried a case on it yet.  I would not get a white N3 as the back cover will be dirty and discolored in no time.  The G2, for me at least is far easier to use one handed and while in the car to quickly send a message while at a light ect.  While things like S Voice on the N3 and some of the other Samsung apps (their activity, diet and pedometer app was nice) will be missed initially I don't think over time I will regret not having them. S Voice would probably really shine with the Gear.  I have yet to really have time to play with the G2 Voice Mate app to see if it is ok for sending voice texts ect (as Google voice search does about everything else I need) but I hear it is just not as good as S Voice.  The ir remote on the N3 had very limited range and I have not yet played with the remote app on the G2 to see if it is any better.  I don't think it could possibly be worse.  Knock on on the G2 is for sure a welcomed feature that I think Samsung should look into.  I have not found the back buttons any better or worse then the side buttons on the Samsung as the N3 is so wide that its side buttons are not that accessible either.  At least in my average to larger sized hands.  Again, the N3 buttons seem doomed to break.  The G2 buttons actually seem sturdy and somewhat easier to access on the back of the phone then the N3.  The Sprint configuration of the buttons with raised power is certainly better then the flat disaster that big red used.  I use knock on almost exclusively for waking the device and putting it to sleep.  The back buttons I use pretty much only as a screen shot shortcut or to restart the phone.  I keep my phone on vibrate almost exclusively though.  Volume is also accessible in the notification pull down unless and until you mod and remove it. Both phones are snappy and responsive.  While I had the N3 for longer then the G2 so far I did experience issues with the N3, as with every TouchWiz phone I have used, with force quits and apps failing to properly load.  I have yet to have one such issue on the G2. The camera on the G2, while not as crisp, is much better in low light and at reducing image blur, especially when snapping photos of my moving dogs.  The 1 gig less ram in the G2 does not appear to make a difference.  The battery life actually seems to be slightly better for me with the G2.  I will miss not being able to carry a spare battery though.  Also I am still not loving the idea of not being able to have the microsd card slot.  I like to transfer data from phone to phone this way and like knowing I can still get the card out if I submerge or otherwise destroy the phone.  I know the cloud helps with some of this I am still just not a fan of not having this option.  I also miss the extra storage.  Saving a few NAND backpus on the phone with a little music and some photos and video and you are out of space.  32GB of storage (really around 26GB) will take some getting use to.  I guess iPhone people have been doing it a while though.  I also miss the N3 being able to connect to voice and data at the same time.  However, tri-band probably outweighs this.  The multitasking is far better on the N3 both split screen and by drawing a pen window.  With the pen window, a few mods and you can use it with any app on the phone.  It is pretty awesome to play with, but in actuality I never really used it in the wild.  I also only used the pen a small number of times to take notes.  I still believe the phone to be a bit to small for me to use it to replace my legal pad.  it is however good in a pinch.  I bet the features of the pen are awesome on a full sized tablet.  My wife also drew a few pictures with the pen.  That was not a reason to keep the phone. 

 

All in all I do think I will keep the G2.  It is a great device witch I planned to get from day 1.  I only tried the N3 due to the late release of the G2 and my need for a phone.  Had I not had it, I would not miss it I am sure.  Upgrading to the G2 from any other device should be major and you will feel the screen to be extremely large and the phone more powerful than any other.  I believe the N3's lack of tri-band and cheap buttons and exterior will take away from what is otherwise a stellar device.  I love the G2.  I think it is a great phone.  Had I not had a N3 I would be writing and telling you that you are nuts to even consider the N3 over the G2 as I told myself when I initially decided on the G2 in early September hoping it would get a normal release date.  However, part of me does miss my N3 a little.  The keyboard was so nice and big (stock keyboard had a separate number line, was integrated with swiftkey and permitted swype function) which I rarely mistyped on.  Although, with the device being so wide one handed typing was nearly impossible (even one handed holding of the phone) and 2 handed use slowed me down.  It also made the phone tough to use while sitting someplace where I generally like to read and respond to messages (wink).  For me the G2 is just more practical and the radios seem to be a bit better than what Samsung put in.  The call quality is also a bit better I believe on the G2.  I think what I miss most about the N3 is having a phone that no matter where you pulled it out someone looked at you with their jaw dropped trying to figure out what that device in my hands was.  It made my wife feel like her 5s was a child's toy when compared to my big boy N3 and she would actually reach for and use my N3 when we were lounging around.  The N3 had some great functions but the lack of tri-band, the build quality and its lack of smooth integration just made it feel like it was missing something.  I feel like after the initial intrigue wore off and I was using it as an every day phone I would have been a tad disappointed to be running another Samsung device.  I do not feel that way about the G2.  It seems like a phone I will enjoy using every day and, as Sprint's network improves (as we pray) so to will the joy of using this device.  Throw in the fact that the G2 is $99 or less and the Note 3 is $350 on contract and it is a no brainier.  I have no idea why I ever look back.  I personally bought the N3 without a contract (had Best Buy match Sprint's $699 price as Best Buy had it at $799) knowing it would not last in my possession past the Note 4 and likely I would have replaced it before that. (On a side not if you decide for some reason on a Nexus 5 buy from Playstore for $399 as Sprint's $150 contract price is a joke for a device that retails so low.  Don't waste the upgrade.  You would be better served to buy a G2 on contract, sell it, then buy a full price Nexus 5).  So after all of this, if you are still reading, buy the G2 and you will not regret it.

 

I hope you found this review helpful, its just my opinion having used both.                     

Hey, that was a very well written comparison!  I agree with you 100% as I too had a Note 3 before the G2.  I actually had 3 Note 3's.  The first one on Sprint had to be exchanged for a second GN3 because as you mentioned the "Home" button got stuck under the front bezel.  I had to push the opposite side of it to get it to pop back out agian.  This got to be really annoying after a while.  My second GN3 on Sprint had a weak radio.  Upload and Download speeds were noticeably slower than my original unit.  I also have a Verizon phone line and had a Verizon version of the GN3.  Theirs had abysmal RF quality.  In places where my Motorola Droid Bionic would hold a 4G LTE signal in a fringe area, the GN3 would only get 1X or no service.  That went back.  Definitely not a keeper. 

I agree as well, that I do miss the large keyboard and screen size of the GN3, but Tri Band (if it ever gets up and running here in Harrisburg) far outweighs all other parameters.  I also feel that the in-call sound quality of the G2 is slightly better than the GN3. 

From what The_Dave was saying, he can hold an LTE signal with his G2 very well below -120 dBm!  That is indicative of a good radio/antenna system. 

I wouldn't worry too much about storage space as Sprint gives you unlimited data, so just keep everything on the cloud. 

I am grandfathered in with Verizon unlimited data as well, but from what I have read, it is pointing to BIG RED finding a way to dump us out of unlimited when they start VoLTE - in a few more years of course...  WIth Sprint you are Guaranteed unlimited for life!  Can't beat that. 

You really can't go wrong with the G2.  The build quality is much better than any Samsung Device. 

I won't sit here and repeat everything that eml626 said, but I am in full agreement.

Good Luck!

http://m.cnet.com/news/sprint-says-all-phones-next-year-will-be-triband-get-hd-voice/57612132

Mac.

 

Sent from my Sprint Tri-Band LG G2.

Are our LG G2 phones HD voice capable with a firmware update?

Let's just hope they are aware, which surely they are or will be.

As big as Shentel is, I can't imagine that they would drag their feet on this. 

Glad I didn't pre-order the G2 based on the issues going on. Seeing how far Shentel is along in the rollout, Sprint must have found out about this issue rather late that even Shentel didn't have time to get the proper items in place for eCSFB.

Yeah, but they are getting there.  Just have to be patient.  Just the customer care you get from Sprint is worlds above Verizon!

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-308-rssi-vs-rsrp-a-brief-lte-signal-strength-primer/

 

AJ

A big THANK YOU!  That's an awesome article.  I wish I could have found it on my own, so as not to bother anyone, but I guess I didn't search well enough. 

Yes. At home, my tower is in line of sight of my house. My 3G is usually -70ish dBm and my 4G is around -90ish dBm. Don't worry about the lower signal, though. My speedtests have been in the high 20 and peaks of 30 mbps with that signal level.

Thanks,  Those speeds are something to look forward to!  It just appeared to me that the 4G LTE signal was low, since I was so close to the tower.

I have a question for someone knowledgeable about cell signals.  I was just experimenting here at work (No Pun) with the G2. The Shentel tower is about 0.25 miles down the street.  On 3G I get a signal of -57 dBm.

When I force the phone to fleetingly pick up LTE for 10 seconds or so by switching network mode, then back to LTE/CDMA, I get a signal around -89 dBm to -91 dBm 4G LTE.  Of course the phone then falls back to 3G and parks there.

My question is:  I am so close to the tower, does the -89 dBm to -91 dBm sound correct for being as close to the tower as I am? 

AJ, Robert, Somebody? 

Thanks

Be happy, a software update is quick. My town is tricky. We have some 3G only towers, 4G only towers, 3G/4G towers, some with band 41 already, and no 800 MHz to be seen. With such a mixture, I am sure it will be that much longer for us. But, on Friday I didn't get any LTE and by Sunday I have it in a lot of places in town now.

That's awesome!  I really hope it goes as quickly here in Harrisburg.

It seems like the timeframe is between right now and 3-6 months from now...

 

Since you are in the Shentel market, it should be pretty soon since it is basically just software updates that need to be done.

 

Thanks, I really hope it does go rapidly.  Everything is in place in the Shentel area I'm in, including the fallback switches, they just aren't active yet. 

Still no LTE for the Tri Band phones here in the Harrisburg Pa area. Every morning I turn the G2 on hoping that Shentel fixed the issue, but not yet.

I wish somehow I could find out their timeframe.

I appreciate all the information here and understand most of the reason why I did not get LTE on a recent trip through PA with my Nexus 5, and I am willing to be patient for the fixes since it seems like they are being worked.  I do have one question that maybe someone can answer.  While going through PA (Gettysburg, Harrisburg, Hershey), which I presume is a Shentel market mostly upgraded, I didn't get LTE, but also I could not connect to 3G.  My phone only received 1X data the entire time.  Is this what others are seeing around there and is it the same problem as no LTE there?

I'm in Harrisburg PA.  I do get 3G in the Shentel area on my LG G2.  The towers near me have the 3G and LTE updates but no 800 MHz yet.  The equipment is the same vendor for legacy and NV.  but as Robert said:  Triband LTE device is not able to connect to CSFB/eCSFB on the Sprint network, your device will park in 3G mode.  Mine does indeed do just that.  I've recently been in Hershey as well and did receive 3G there too.  Hope this helps.  I don't understand the system like the experts on here, so I can't say why you only received 1X. 

Here is something very interesting I thought I'd share with everyone:

I received a PM from a social worker at the Sprint Community in regards to my question last Friday why I wasn't getting LTE here in my area (Harrisburg PA) before we knew of the fallback issue. 

The gentleman told me that the towers I am on have received all upgrades except 800 MHz.  In addition, the legacy equipment is the same as the NV equipment.  He is going to have a member of the network team check to see what is going on. 

That bold doesn't seem to be true. Charlotte and Raleigh are both launched, but people seem to not be able to pick up LTE on 4G only sites. Close though. 

Yeah, I know.  I think that is some misinformation.  I think he forgot about the legacy equipment. 

Here is what a social care worker has posted on the Sprint Community about the fallback issue:

All,

Just an update, we have implemented a  new technology, it?s called enhanced circuit switch fallback (eCFSB). The new tri-band handsets are now single radio devices, with only one radio phones will now have more antenna space and the battery lasts longer, in general these new devices are less complex. The new tri-band handsets need to detect eCFSB in order to pick up LTE, if this technology is not detected then the device will default to 3G. All of the markets that Sprint has officially launched have eCFSB implemented. There are markets where Sprint has started implementing LTE without the markets being officially launched. In these specific markets, LTE is still in the beta stage, this means that eCFSB more than likely hasn?t been implemented. This may be the cause to which many of you are not picking up LTE. To verify if your markets has been officially launched please visit > http://www.sprint.com/coverage www.sprint.com/coverage  Once an address has been entered, click on the data tab and it shows orange then your market has been officially launched. If any user in this thread is in an official LTE markets and is unable to pick up LTE, please let me know. 

Eduardo C
Sprint Social Care

Not being able to satisfy demand immediately is not necessarily bad business nor bad publicity.  It generates want and buzz.

 

Look at Apple.  I read an article just the other day about people still lining up outside the Manhattan Apple Store to buy iPhones because of limited supply.  And this is weeks after the release.

 

AJ

That's so true!  Sprint and Shentel are making WANT that LTE so bad! 

I thought the note 3 just came out..

 

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

The Sprint Note 3 came out in early October.  I returned it because the Home button got stuck under the front bezel.  It was replaced with another that had a bad LTE radio.  (Samsung quality?).  I returned the Verizon Note 3 for obvious reasons.  Now I have the G2 Tri Band. 

So for all the people suffering from LTE issues, just wanted to put this out there. Today I am at work inside a building with metal siding and a metal roof. My coworker with AT&T doesn't have a LTE signal and was shocked that I had two bars of LTE. We did speed tests. I pulled a peak of 12.7 down and 1.79 up at 67ms ping with a -110 dbm signal. He pulled 0.3 down and had a network communication error during the upload.

 

Looks like Sprint is going to surprise many with these new triband devices if future handsets perform like this.

That's great to hear.  The lab where I work is a steel building as well.  The Shentel cell tower is right down the street about 0.25 miles.  My Verizon phone (Motorola Droid Bionic) gets about 12 down and 7 up  with -108 dBm.  I'm really eager to see what the G2 will get.  When I had the Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note 3, I got mid 20's down and high teens up here at work.  Back in the days when I could get LTE. 

When I had the Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3, I mostly got 1X or no service here at work.  The phone was that bad!

After reading Robert's outstanding article on the fallback switch issue, I wish there would be a way for us to find out when each of our markets would be fixed!

It would be really nice to have some sort of timeline as to when the upgrades will take place and our phones will start receiving LTE.

Yes, I can concur from my experience that the Testing.apk still seems to be present.  The dialer code apparently bypasses the menu and dumps right into the Phone Info screen -- you can see it visible in the background.  But then the block on the internal app takes over.  I imagine that it will be a pain in the ass to circumvent the block.  Unlocking the bootloader and gaining root access are more than enough headache for me already, so I will be taking a pass on all LG non Nexus handsets for the foreseeable future.

 

AJ

I had the Nexus 5 in my shopping cart on Google Play, then went with G2 at the last minute.  Live and learn!

Unfortunately, the LG G2 just does not appear suited to wireless network observation and testing.  So, when my delivery arrives tomorrow, I will be returning it unopened to Best Buy.  Hands down, the Nexus 5 wins the duel.

 

AJ

Yeah, I wish I would have known this ahead of time.