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Not to insult you at all zippychance but wow. That is one of the most boilerplate and rushed reviews I have ever seen. Phonearena should be completely ashamed of the battery section "Battery How is the G2's beefy 3000 mAh battery handling this enormous display? Quite well, actually. The phone can easily last you through a full working day of heavy usage, or about a couple of days of moderate usage. Sure, the device might has some extra thickness to it, but we'd prefer this over a thinner profile, if it means better battery life... especially when the added thickness doesn't make the smartphone more difficult or unpleasant to hold." I mean, good lord, I could have written that without ever seeing the phone! I guess we will have to wait for TheVerge/Engadget for the review and Anandtech for technical battery stats,

https://ting.com/blog/where-do-ting-customers-come-from/ Really interesting blog post about where Ting customers come from: 30% Verizon 28% Sprint 21% AT&T 12% T-Mobile 9% Other

Well considering how many shares he owns, today's news made him ~$800 million so I guess he shouldn't be too upset about it.

We've solved the problem here. Athena-like contractors for a truly Herculean task! No wonder they are running behind.

Nope! There are currently no down payments on T-Mobile phones. Can that change in the future? sure.

The $182 price was phones + insurance. Jump includes insurance for $10/mo vs $8 for insurance so the difference is small.

Maybe he was on legacy 3g and only had bandwidth for 2 lines at a time

I agree. I moved my lines to Ting because of that very issue. In addition after 45 days I am treated like a new customer for rebates at Sprint so it seems to be win win (referral code available if you want it) I may just stay on Ting because as long as I use under like 4 GB it seems to be a better deal than Sprint. However, I do think it is possible for me to use more than 4 GB if I was streaming youtube/twitch.tv videos.

Hmm, You are correct about the BoGo HTC One.It is about a $200 savings so new math is below. I will say that 2 for 1 pricing is not the usual price for a new smartphone but as a direct comparison it is a valid one. I'll also add the cost if you buy one off of ebay at a normal price and bring it to T-Mobile: Look at the monthly pricing between Sprint and T-Mobile now for 2 HTC One smartphones with unlimited data + insurance. Sprint: $172.00 monthly + 398 (phones @199) = $4327 over 24 months T-Mobile: $182 monthly + $20 (sim card x 2) = $4388 over 24 months T-Mobile with upgrades every 6 months! $186 monthly + $20 (sim card x 2) = $4484 over 24 months T-Mobile BYOD ($425x2) + $8/mo Insurance + 120/mo= $3746

1) Somewhat agreed, except for the T-Mobile Jump plan. 2) I get that but I feel the actual implementation of the plans is clumsy and not well thought out on the Sprint site. 3) You save less than $100 while changing phones every 6 months vs being on a 2 year old phone on Sprint. If the latest tech is important to you then T-Mobile beats the other options hands down. If you BYOD to T-Mobile or just buy ebay phones instead of doing the JUMP program then you also end up ahead of Sprint in terms of pricing. (Obviously judging by my own Evo3d it is not a big deal to me but I don't see why Sprint doesn't offer ANY kind of fast upgrade option). By this time next year we could also be on 1900 mhz deployment with Clear/2500 LTE sparsely populated on former WiMax towers while Sprint struggles to get the remaining towers deployed.

That T-Mobile pricing includes the $20/mo phone payment and I chose new HTC Ones from both carriers. The difference is the phone price is built in to the T-Mobile monthly payment and if you cancel your service you need to pay the remaining balance on your phone. It is an ETF by another name but the flipside is that your monthly payment does go down once the phones are paid off OR if you buy the phones outright.

Get along? I remind you that this is the internet and the only real thing is proving someone else WRONG. Back on topic and speaking of proving someone WRONG: Does anyone else find Sprint incredibly slow to respond to market trends? Let me list the ways: 1) Faster phone upgrades: Verizon Edge, AT&T Next, T-Mobile Jump, Sprint? Nothing 2) Simplified plans: T-Mobile: website gets me there in one click and the options are super easy to understand AT&T: has website herpes and no matter how they try to clean it up it remains infested with superfluous information but once you choose your phone it is quite easy Verizon: provides nice graphic examples though the navigation could be easier. Streamlined experience with clear pricing options. Sprint: My All-In vs Unlimited My Way sounds like they are two separate types of plans that Sprint offers rather than just calling it ONE NAME and adding Family at the end.I hate the new branding because it gives the impression that Unlimited is eventually going away. Once you choose a phone suddenly you can choose the non unlimited option. Why is that not presented earlier?? Oh and $11/mo for phone insurance is a complete ripoff. 3) Communication. T-Mobile has been very proactive about promoting network improvements and future plans. The reason we are all here is because Sprint is really pretty terrible at letting us all know what is going on. Finding towers slated for improvement is fun and all but what difference does it make when it takes 6 months to see any kind of change? Further, I fully expect LTE 2500 to remain underwhelming for some time on Clear towers due to terrible backhaul on the Clear network. 4) Contract free plans: T-Mobile has positioned themselves as the anti-carrier but beyond that has been effective in putting the (truthful) thought in people's minds that carriers who lock you down with contracts are a BAD DEAL. They don't even mention Sprint in their ads and it accomplishes the same thing. Basically these 4 points boil down to this: T-Mobile is a huge threat. Anyone who doesn't think T-Mobile isn't in a position to leapfrog Sprint is kidding themselves. We can make all the arguments to the contrary about "b-b-but SPECTRUM" and "b-b-but COVERAGE" but that changes nothing. Most people don't leave city limits 95%+ of the time and T-Mobile may well fit their needs. I tried it but couldn't deal with lack of coverage in the Texas hill country. Most people see it is faster than Sprint without contracts. I've moved my service to a Sprint MVNO (Ting) and being contract free has really opened my eyes and I may never go back to Sprint itself after the family plan changes and continual Network Vision delays. With how fast phones and the cellular market is changing I find myself questioning if I ever want to sign a contract again. Look at the monthly pricing between Sprint and T-Mobile now for 2 smartphones with unlimited data + insurance. Sprint: $172.00 monthly + 398 (phones @199) = $4526 over 24 months T-Mobile: $182 monthly + $20 (sim card x 2) = $4388 over 24 months T-Mobile with upgrades every 6 months! $186 monthly + $20 (sim card x 2) = $4484 over 24 months I am rooting for Sprint but so far their execution on every level pretty much sucks. If they want to offer non unlimited plans, fine but making the difference $30 for unlimited vs $20 for 1 GB is pathetic.

Yeah I get that but my poorly made point was that being able to get data from Clearwire towers is only of "limited utility" until you consider how many towers they will be putting 2500 LTE on vs how many Clear towers currently broadcast WiMax. I think it would be of great use to do this but I doubt it will be available.

I dunno, on my WiMax device I find Clearwire 2500 fairly useful (I can use WiMax while talking but not 3g).

So there apparently WILL be some carrier customization to this phone as Verizon will get wireless charging. http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/15/verizon-g2-wireless-charging/ I wonder if Sprint will change it up as well..

I personally care more for 800 mhz voice than I do LTE. Low signal kills battery life and I often find myself having to go nearer to windows on the current Sprint 1900 mhz signal I get.

These days I believe GPS is only actually used when required for an app and not scanning otherwise. I leave mine on 24/7 with my evo3d and notice zero difference in battery life versus leaving it off. I assume this is the same case with the newer phones as well.

I agree but on the other hand population trends in the US are on T-Mobile's side. Every year more and more people move to cities and rural (ie not major highways) coverage becomes less important to fewer people. Roughly 81% of people in the US live in what is classed as an Urban area. http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/2010_census/cb12-50.html However, T-Mobile's issue is that it has not kept up with the size of cities that have expanded in both population and SIZE such as Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas. Austin city center is great on T-Mobile but heading beyond the "city limits" from 15 years ago and you will find tons of dead/roaming only areas.

Right but it makes sense to me that T-mobile users might come to this thread because it has tons of information but also don't really care for Sprint users, myself included, pointing out network flaw etc.

As this 67 page thread illustrates, we focus on more than Sprint. This is a pretty informative thread with extremely knowledgeable posters and because there is no real equivalent to S4GRU for T-Mobile users it makes sense that T-Mobile users may find their way here.

Ah I wasn't aware. I thought it was only used to provision LTE on Sprint phones.

Just curious but why does that matter? Sprint devices are locked to Sprint and require preauthorization from Sprint to be activated.

I would wait. We all like Sprint here but the network is not quite up to par with the duopoly in terms of speed. I'd place Sprint firmly in 4th place for network speed. Over the next 6-12 months that will most likely change but that is the current reality. If you are happy with AT&T I would wait out the contract and then reevaluate.

Actually there are two versions of the LG G2. The international version has a non removable 3000mah battery and no SD slot. The Korean market version has a 2610mah battery and an SD slot which was the manual that apparently leaked and lead people to believe it had SD capability.

True for the Note 3 which should have the same processor.