S4GRU

Will Sprint install 800 equipment with network vision and turn it on remotely once iden is cleared out?

LTE 800 equipment? I can't say definitively. I have seen docs that say both things. Sometimes when things look conflicting, it's not that one is right and the other is wrong. More likely, it changed from one to the other. However, even if they are not, it's just adding a 800 LTE carrier in the rack. All the other equipment, and I mean all of it, from the antennas/panels, radios, sweeps, cabinets, racks, backhaul...I mean everything, will be in place for 800 LTE. It will take a field tech a few hours per site to get 800 LTE up and running after the fact. It will almost be plug and play. Then testing. So it doesn't matter a whole lot if 800 LTE is in place now or when it goes live in 2013.

However, 800 1xAdvanced carriers are being installed right now in Network Vision. And they will be going live a lot sooner. They will be migrating enough iDEN space to clear room for one 1xA carrier at every site. As soon as iDEN is cleared enough space in every market, 800 CDMA will be lit up without rolling. Essentially just flipping a switch.

Robert

Should Sprint have about the same number of sites planned on 800 MHz LTE by June 2013 like Clearwire?

I have not seen the numbers on a month by month basis. But I would guess based on what I know that there will be more Clearwire sites live than 800 initially. That assumes Clearwire stays on schedule. However, 800 LTE deployment will be fast. Most of the work will already be done.

Robert

I just don't see the value in the sponsorship to warrant it at this point. One map that I would probably look at and go 'meh'.

 

/b

You should PM some of our sponsors and see if they feel they get a benefit from sponsorship. I have never had negative feedback from any of them. But you are the master of your wallet. I can respect that.

Robert

Do you know if Sprint will offload its traffic to Clearwire 2500 MHz LTE before it gets to its 800 MHz LTE?

You are making the assumption that Clearwire TD-LTE is coming online before 800 LTE. That is a faulty assumption.

Robert

Why bother posting this in a public forum when you have to pay to gain access to this.

 

/b

How will people know to become a sponsor if we don't tell them what benefit they get from it?

The threshold for becoming a sponsor is pretty darn low. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/page/index.html/_/announcements/s4gru-member-ranks-and-groups-r20

We are a not for profit site. The costs to run S4GRU are paid by our sponsor members. They even pay for the free content that people enjoy and all of our articles.

I don't think our requests for sponsorship is unreasonable.

Robert

It looks like Sprint 800 MHz LTE is set for launch in 2014. It is a good possibility now that Sprint will definitely take advantage of Clearwire 2500 MHz LTE that is set for launch in 2013 to reduce its traffic first before it can take advantage of its 800 MHz LTE.

 

Source: http://www.fiercewir...-lte/2012-04-12

By 2014. S4GRU knows it is launching sooner. We will have an article about it soon.

Robert

Seriously, I'm waiting to see how LTE actually gets implemented and to see how Network Vision actually works in the real world. I'm in Oakland, CA and where I live I get very crappy 3g speeds. Usually I see only about 250kbps down and 200kbps up. 4g is terrible averaging at only about 500kbps down and sometimes only 50kbps up.

 

If the Network Vision doesn't improve things, it won't matter what Sprint and Motorola come up with. I may have to leave Sprint because I hate not having speeds that my friends on ATT, T-Mobile, and Verizon beat every time.

I can understand the wait and see method. I just want to help set your mind at ease. Based on the testing data we have seen, I feel very good. Sprint's LTE will not be faster than Verizons. But it will be better than WiMax in speeds, and it will be much better than WiMax in coverage. No matter how you slice it, Network Vision results in across the board improvements for the Sprint network in every measurable category.

Whether that will be enough improvement for your needs, well you will have to decide that. However, count me as excited!

Robert

Need to see this with my own eyes to see how they worded svdo support in there...

 

Completely understand svlte as that's the future but svdo is interesting...one bc sprint was rumored to go straight to svlte and not bother with svdo...

 

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

I haven't read it yet myself. I'm looking forward to doing that tonight when I get home. I am trusting in AJ's account thus far. Which has never lead me astray yet.

Robert

Always wondered that as well with the wimax locations. The two towers in my metro area are in those same areas.

I have heard this comment a lot. It seems to be more than anecdotal. It seems that in many places, Protection Sites are located in less than ideal locations. I have two theories...

1. Tower rents are cheaper in the hood
   
2. Population density is higher, so you can cover more POP's with less sites and get to the FCC requirement easier
   

Or maybe, it's both? Clearwire did not put up Protection Sites so they could be used and appreciated. They put them up for the sole purpose of keeping their license with the FCC. If anyone could actually use the signal, that was just a bonus for them. These were never seen as generating any revenue for Clearwire, quite the contrary. The Protection Sites are a huge financial drain on the company.

So, where they went was not strategic in any way for consumers or usability, only to maximize coverage area for purposes of FCC reporting.

Robert

so.....EVO 4G LTE popped up at FCC for a lil bit it seems...

 

http://www.engadget....htc-evo-4g-fcc/

I think AJ's article on the Wall may have beat Engadget. By two minutes it appears. Yay for us!

I could have told you that with 99% certainty several months ago.

You had me beat. My certainty level on it was in the low 90's!

Robert

Where is my welcoming committee? They were supposed to bring you milk and cookies. Or was it beer and chicken wings? Oh well...

to S4GRU.

Robert

ping test

Still in it.

Speedtest full bars with 0.05 mbps down.

And they say we aren't throttled. Pretty pathetic.

You aren't throttled. The EVDO network is overloaded. Sprint's Network Vision will fix those issues permanently.

Robert

beer keg

Poop party

 

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2

Tell me about this poop party. I have never attended one. Sounds messy.

I think most customers want to stick it out with Sprint and they want Sprint to succeed. They just want the information to give them hope to stick it out. That's my impression anyway.

When I get an angry customer that stumbles upon S4GRU or our social media sites, I try to determine whether they want Sprint to succeed and they just want information and a reason to keep hope, or if they are pissed beyond a reasonable level. If they are pissed beyond that point, I just suggest they find the carrier that's best for them and move on. You cannot convince someone who hates Sprint why they should stay. I was to that point with AT&T in 2010, and no one could have convinced me to stay. I needed to move on.

However, there are millions of customers who like Sprint, but are frustrated that data is not meeting their needs. These people I can work with. Because I can tell them what Sprint is doing for them and when. Then they can make the determination if that's going to work for them or not. I find that 90% of these people stick it out. Because the information we provide them gives them hope in Sprint.

Robert

Welcome, fellow New Mexican!

Robert

Today is a really busy day for me, so I will be scarce. I am busy dealing with my real job. But I do want to say I appreciate the feedback.

I believe the sponsorship method is superior to advertising in several respects. And we reward sponsors, especially our premier sponsors.

We had sponsors and premier sponsors before we had sections for them. The chief reasons for content in sponsor sections is not revenue generation, but content protection. The type of stuff in our protected areas CANNOT be published publicly. I wanted to bring you all some of this great content I have, but it needs to be to a smaller and more manageable pool of people. I would never publish a site by site NV schedule publicly. It would be chaos and Sprint would likely shut us down.

I am not a cruel and heartless capitalist. S4GRU was funded out of my pocket for almost a year before I received our first donation. We broke even the first time at the end of February. Our cash reserves equal the increased cost of our growth projections over the next 90 days. I have given lots of complimentary upgrades for people who help us. Even for sob stories I get by PM. I also have a few IOU's.

I need to get to the capitol now for meetings. I will check back in tonight.

Robert

Robert via NOVO7PALADIN Tablet using Forum Runner

tropical punch

I think Sprint is sitting back and not announcing a lot of information because schedules, for devices and network, are so shaky right now. And by the data I have seen, I'd be very tempted to be cautious if I was in their shoes. The information we release, but Sprint doesn't, is probably for good reason.

Sprint feels if they announce dates and specific info and it slips, the press, the public and the general mood will come down on them hard and pessimism will reign. Sprint is trying to play the under promise, over deliver card. I understand why.

However, even though I understand what Sprint is doing, I disagree with them. I think S4GRU has proven that information is what customers want. And if it changes, they're OK with that. They just need to know. They need to know early and often what is going on. That's why people love S4GRU. That's what we do.

I don't live in paranoia that our info that we reported three months ago could be off by a week when it comes due. Because things change. Schedules slip. Mistakes happen. Materials and manufacturing gets delayed. It happens. Just tell the folks what you know, and as you know it. I think Sprint PR would be in a much better position if they implemented a S4GRU style of informing their customers. Heck, I'm willing to be a consultant for the right price.

Robert

Sgt., this is not aimed directly at you, though I certainly do want to attend to some of your honest concerns. More so, however, I want to address this to all S4GRU participants so that we can all come to a greater respect for both sides of the content creation/consumption relationship.

 

Robert, the other contributors, and I work numerous hours researching, writing, and now even gathering data in the field. We do it for no pay. In fact, some of us do it for a net monetary loss. I know that Robert has reached into his own pocket to bring S4GRU to everyone, and I plunked down $1700 for a spectrum analyzer in large part for the advantages that it would give S4GRU in field research. So, we the contributors certainly do not do this for the money. Rather, we do this for elucidation and enjoyment -- both yours and ours. With that in mind, please forgive if we occasionally try to build some intrigue and anticipation -- yes, you can even call it a tongue in cheek "tease" -- for our hard work yet to come.

 

That said, I want to propose an idea, something of a compromise. Interspersed among the usual feature length articles, would you appreciate shorter, paragraph length articles that Robert, the other contributors, and I could write more readily and post to The Wall more frequently? For example, the removable SIM card roll out is little more than a bullet point within a date range on the Network Vision Roadmap. Right now, that is about all that we know -- not enough to warrant a full length article. But such could be worked into a paragraph length article about how removable SIM cards should be coming but not in the initial LTE handsets.

 

Robert, Sgt., and all other interested or involved parties, what are your thoughts? (And, moderators, if you want to move this to a more topical thread, feel free to do so.)

 

AJ

I do think that the shorter, one or two paragraph article idea could be a compromise and could work. It would deal with a lot of these info nuggets that we get. I had considered it before, but so many sites broadcast these short nuggets (especially BGR), and I have kind of despised this kind of reporting.

When I go to these news tech sites with short stories, I always get frustrated. I want details! So I have always tried to sit and hold stories for something that can make a comprehensive and detailed article. But AJ is right. We are sitting on a dozen nuggets of info that you all would love to know about, but would not fit into a conventional S4GRU article.

I think we have high standards of our writers. We produce much deeper and meatier articles than anyone else. So, whatever we end up doing here, I never want to lose that.

Robert

If you are looking for the missing teaser posts, they were moved to a more appropriate thread. We didn't delete them. http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/734-s4gru-teaser-information/page__st__20

Please carry on with the EVO conversation...

Robert

I have created this thread to move some posts that overtook the EVO thread. They deserve a home in the Suggestion Box thread instead of being a distraction to poor people wanting to discuss the EVO.

Robert

I have to agree with the Sarge. You have this information you are lording over our heads like we're not worthy. Best not to mention it maybe until your ready to talk about it. Just sayin' it might keep the masses at bay.

I have settled this with Sarge, but obviously I need to go over it again publicly. We obviously think you are worthy, we are giving you some advanced heads up. We often give our members some advance information. It's one of the advantages of membership. It was the purposes of the chats.

I'm probably not in the right mood tonight to have this discussion. I am so frustrated with many other things that I will likely take it out on some of you improperly. What you guys are doing, and you may not be meaning to, but what you will do with comments like this is make me second guess every darn thing I want to tell you about.

In reality, I'm sure you all want to know what we know. But if I have to go around thinking, "before I mention this internal info, I wonder what people like Mofus and Sarge will think about it? I better just sit on it." Then you guys are going to end up with a lot less info overall. You want the guy who is leaking information to be an open spigot. Where you get anything and everything you can.

I personally wouldn't want to discourage anyone with any inside information to be quiet. But that's just me. I don't make any commands or suggestions to my sources with any information they bring me. I just sit and listen.

Robert

*sigh*