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yeah saw your post right after mine went through. lol

 

thought it was wierd that there are those 2 skinny panels on each tip of the triangle there(6 total), yet the older wider panel and newer NV panel are only 3 total...that not odd there?

Nope. Not at all. In the NV Permit Drawings I have seen (like the ones posted in the S4GRU Download Center), most sectors have just one combined 800/1900 panel. Some really heavy ones have two. There must be marked differences in the new technologies that allow them to use less.

Robert

That a lil microwave radome there on top?

 

I can assume this is full blown NV site now if LTE is live in system? So with that can I say the wider panel is the new updated one that will be left by itself once the older ones are removed? maybe?

Yep. Microwave on top, wider panels are NV 800/1900 combined panel. Everything else is legacy, to be removed later.

Robert

If there is no existing tower to work from, and the location is urban or suburban, it can take years or be virtually impossible to get a new tower built; local government approval is required and there are typically endless rounds of deliberations and public hearings which often generate NIMBY opposition from people who live near the proposed tower site. In my community, attempts by AT&T and T-Mobile to erect new towers have gone down in flames in the past few years.

Same issue in Santa Fe, NM within the city limits. AT&T wanted to put a concealed site within an abandoned chimney of an old church and people fought it. It still hasn't been approved two years later, AFAIK. Crazy.

Robert

This is as close as I could get.

Great shots. You can see the RRU's there in place. I notice that the new NV panels are considerably wider, but not much longer. Even though they are handling both 800/1900.

Also, check out the MW on top. Never seen one like that. It's a cute little sucker. Thanks for posting!!!

You are going to have to get one of the first LTE devices and go back and do some performance testing since you know that's a confirmed LTE site.

Robert

Woot! Just saw in our internal network tool that there was a LTE tower deployed along the route hone. If I have time I will take pics. I am pretty sure Sprint will not care as long as I do not give out the address... Though fricken Robert will probably figure it out magically.

I have one of my sources working on the dirt now! Thanks for the heads up. But please share with us photos of the site, if you think it's permissable. Definitely don't want to get anyone in trouble. I can't imagine Sprint having any issues with you taking photos from the public right of way?

Sprint's is in the middle. You can tell by the length of the antennas that they are PCS 1900mhz. The lower the frequency, the greater the antenna size. Those larger antennae are 800mhz (whether it be 800mhz smr or 850mhz Cellular)

Also keep in mind Sprint will be changing this in the future because they are using a combined 800/1900 panel in Network Vision. They are longer and thicker than legacy 1900 panels.

Robert

Just got back from a week at mrytle beach. For the most part sprint phones are paper weights. Never even got past the ping on speedtest. So can't even report on how bad it was. Only saving grace is a lot of places have wifi.

 

Sadly believe this was the end of sprint for my family. At a competition with about 40 other adults and the only phones that were useless were ours. Wife is now 150% against staying with sprint now for any reason.

 

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Does that mean I cannot count on you making another donation?

I doubt there is as cool of a forum or site for any of the other carriers as S4GRU.com!

Robert

I just hope when we do get lte its still unlimited

 

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It's not anything I worry about. Based on Sprint's keeping unlimited ads going strong and Hesse's continual comments on it, there is no reason to be concerned that LTE will be a catalyst to ditch unlimited. It would not be until LTE is starting receive significant usage burden that Sprint cannot mitigate with easy solutions like 800/2500 capacity enhancements that I think they will scrap unlimited.

I'm a believer that Sprint is banking on an unlimited LTE iPhone to save the day!

Robert

Any word on Hawaii? Honolulu to be exact.

we were on the first wimax launch list. Would this be a reason why I have

yet to see Honolulu on the Lte list?

Thanks for any information.

Aloha \°°°/

Aloha! I can confirm at this time that Hawaii is not in the first two rounds of Network Vision/LTE deployment. Stay tuned to S4GRU.com for more updates about the Hawaii market in the future.

Robert

Also, would like to make the point that market starts at the end of the 2nd round and starts at the beginning of the 3rd round are not very dissimilar. The breaking up into rounds is more of a market management thing than it is a significant calendar difference.

This is evident with Miami/West Palm and Memphis in the 2nd Round. Ericsson will start mobilizing in Miami in May and Memphis in June. However, NYC, which is a 1st Rounder starts in April. And SF Bay (which is also in the 1st Round) is now confirmed as a Summer start. So no one should be freaking out because their market is not at the end of the 2nd Round. Unless they live in New Mexico!

Robert

An LTE next-gen iPhone with unlimited data could potentially "save" Sprint imo. People are finally seeing what data caps do to LTE with the new iPad, and they'll want more data. The biggest knock on Sprint as to why people won't switch to them even though they have unlimited data and it's cheaper, is because of the horrid data speeds (can't blame them.) LTE solves that. Suddenly Sprint is just as fast as the other guys, or close enough, and cheaper and unlimited. That's a huge draw. I've already talked to a lot of people about the potential of an unlimited LTE iPhone on Sprint and what it would mean, and a lot of people that dislike Sprint are now saying that if they have a chance to switch over, they're going to strongly consider it. I just hope NV keeps going really well and Sprint has a large portion of markets done or almost completed by October and things should be gravy.

My thoughts too. Well said. Especially the gravy, part. Emmmmm...

Robert

I got that info straight from this website and I even googled it lol the article states that the chips come with WIMAX and lte capability because sprint doesn't want to disappoint they users already in a WIMAX area but they want to expand the lte network I'll post a link when I'm done eating my mcdoubles lol

 

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McDoubles and links aside' date=' this is not accurate. Period!

[i']And for the record, I have never ever reported that any new LTE smartphones will support WiMax. And I have constnantly been trying to educate folks that previous WiMax only devices are incapable of supporting or being modified to support LTE. Neither are true.[/i]

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water treatment

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Are there a lot of round 4 markets or just a small amount...I guess in this instance 9 markets?

There are 26 markets in the 4th Round, total. And 30 in the 3rd Round. However, in one doc I saw the 4th Round broken up into three pieces. First starts, second starts and final starts. In the final starts of the 4th Round, there were 9 markets listed. These were projected to begin in December 2013. However, these were preliminary planning documents. It's so far out, that it would be reckless to report on them.

Robert

I'm wondering if the 800 MHz will have interference problems as it is spaced out for 1900 MHz propigation?

Typically, this can be handled with downtilt adjustment, however the 800 and 1900 share panels in Network Vision. I'm nearly certain this has been taken into consideration, I just don't have the answer how.

Robert

Let's hope it is announced. I don't want to leave Sprint, but I don't want to buy an LTE phone and have to wait a year to be able to use it. I did that with the Evo and Wimax and I don't want to do it again. :\

I can understand your hesitancy. However, the difference between LTE and WiMax deployment is night and day. WiMax was never planned to go nationwide on every site. And also, WiMax deployment was through a 3rd party (Clearwire) that ended up getting into severe cash problems. Also, WiMax as a technology just never caught on mainstream.

LTE is being deployed nationwide on over 99% of all Sprint sites. It does have an announced schedule to be just over 24 months (WiMax never was announced with a deployment schedule). LTE technology is not going away anytime soon, as it has become the global 4G standard. And Sprint is deploying it itself on its own spectrum and has already executed all the contracts for the work. Also, Sprint is announcing markets in advance. Whereas with WiMax, they were announced at completion.

So, that all being said, I can respect your hesitancy based on previous WiMax deployment. However, I personally have no concerns about buying a LTE device in 2012 based on the WiMax failures. And I live in a Sprint market that is at the very end of the Network Vision program.

Robert

Last two Second Round markets will be announced tonight in chat. That will conclude the last markets that are expected to start in 2012. Remaining markets will be 2013 starts. Stay tuned.

Robert

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Fight Club

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bad dog!

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This may be worth writing an article on and creating a graph.

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One of the problems with being an early adopter. But to us geeks, its usually worth it.

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Frivolous lawsuit against Apple? Sounds like just desserts!

Emmm...dessert. Apple and dessert. Caramel Apple Cobbler. *drool*

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Though didn't somewhere you or someone state the signal dropoff rate is more harsh for 1900MHz LTE then EVDO 3G according to the testing being done?...or something along those lines.

 

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Yes. I did. And its true. Signal should be the same for EVDO and LTE from the same site. However, EVDO performance is relatively steady across a degrading signal, whereas LTE performance degrades proportionally across the signal degradation.

At -101dBm, EVDO has lost 35% of its performance. At -101, LTE has lost 70% of its performance. At -106dBm, EVDO has lost 75% of its performance and LTE has lost 80%. So here you can see EVDO performance degradation is relatively flat compared to signal degradation up to -101dBm and then falls off a cliff and catches up with LTE around -106dBm.

But as far as WiMax goes, it is even sharper. WiMax loses 80% of its performance at -90dBm. And not only that, at 2500/2600MHz, the point away from the tower where you get a -90dBm is going to be so much closer than where you hit the -90dBm with EVDO/LTE on 1900.

When I look at the LTE testing data, I cannot help but smile. It will be heads and tails better than the best WiMax we ever had. Not because WiMax is inferior per se, it is mostly because how it is being deployed this time.

I do not have any 800 LTE field testing data, because they have not started testing 800 in the field yet. Otherwise I would have a permanent grin that couldn't be chiseled off my face, probably similar to John Elway's!

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Samsung offering free extended life battery with Galaxy Nexus

The phone maker is throwing in a free bundle with a longer-life battery and cover to protect it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57405142-94/samsung-offering-free-extended-life-battery-with-galaxy-nexus/

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My wife has an Evo and I have a E4GT. She often has more bars in her signal strength indicator, but usually signal strength is roughly the same if you check the dBm's.

The only time we have a difference in signal that's notable is at the edge of service (like in your camping example). However, I just then force roam and go onto VZW 850 at those times when I have a signal worse than -100dBm.

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pretty much i get to sit on my ass all night long...kinda sucks cause i gained alot of weight

Back when i was a night auditor, I used to call my girlfriend (who is now my wife) and wake her up and beg her to bring me Taco Bell.

Back in those days Taco Bell served breakfast. They had this sausage, country gravy, hash brown and egg burrito that was only 79¢. Man I loved those things when I was in college. I wish Taco Bell would bring back breakfast!

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