Morningside78

not sure what you mean by this. while I understand your point that the payment is built in, even with the added fee of using easy pay, my monthly rate still comes out to less if I stay on Everything Shared than switching to Framily.

a. was not the case two weeks ago, and he also said he's not sure it can be done in corporate stores. b. he said that using Easy Pay with Everything Data causes the customer to overpay which is false.

the Framily Plan costs more than my Everything Data Plan unless I added about 3 more people to my account. in addition, the lower discount I'd receive drives the cost of Framily up even further. it costs more if I purchased a device using easy pay under Framily than under Everything Data. it's why there was no reason for me to switch.

and if that's the case, it's something that was changed very recently because it was absolutely not the case two weeks ago. again, I fail to see how the second sentence had anything to do with the discussion as no one here is demanding anything for free.

again, apples and oranges. easy pay does work with old plans, the system in stores prevents the reps from signing up new purchases (via easy pay) to old plans. this can be remedied by calling Sprint so I'm not seeing where the hardware limitation applies.

why does it not make any sense to you?

not remotely comparable. one is a hardware issue, the other is a company choosing not to tick a box.

but not with easy pay, which was my point

if you purchase a new device but wish to keep your old plan???? not that confusing is it?

by the way, I just spoke with a friend who works for Sprint and he told me that it's very possible existing customers would be able to get the $15 or $25 per month device fee as long as they hadn't recently purchased a discounted device (even if they had discounted device purchases on their account). that could potentially be a big game-changer so I'm trying to get confirmation on it.

please read my subsequent post which explains that Sprint corporate stores (at least in NYC) do not allow customers to purchase devices using Easy Pay and add them to old plans

ostensibly all of these low cost plans we're now seeing from T-Mobile, Sprint and whomever else are based upon a combination of being a new customer and not reading the fine print. as you and I discussed last night, and as your spreadsheet illustrates, this is not something for existing subscribers. instead, if you're dealing with another carrier with a very low data cap, you can switch to Sprint with a higher data cap and lower monthly fee. in the case of T-Mobile, their rate doesn't include the monthly financing fee for the purchase of a device, which is something you basically cannot avoid if you're becoming a T-Mobile customer and buying a new phone. my issue centers primarily on the folks arguing that this is a great deal for people who buy their phones outright. I would argue that is not who Sprint is targeting with these plans. if you're looking for cheap plans, you're not someone who's likely to have paid $650+ for a phone. you're looking for cheap plans because you're trying to cut costs wherever possible. that means you see $100 per month with a a good amount of monthly data and will come on-board. that Sprint waives the monthly device fee for the first year is definitely going to make this attractive for new customers who want to save money. but you're not getting your hair blown back by incremental savings for decent additional data if you're dropping $650 per phone with frequency. those people are obviously not the target of these promotions.

that this plan is of no benefit to current customers is why some folks will "complain" about it. I don't think it's unfair that current customers would like to see something sweeten the pot for them to remain Sprint customers. as it stands, this Family Share Pack plan does not do that.

I ask this because I've noticed that in the stores, they will no longer allow you to use a grandfathered-in plan if you buy a device with Easy Pay. This can be undone by calling Sprint, but evidently the corporate store's system does not allow adding new devices purchased through Easy Pay to old plans.

so for those of us long time customers who have no reason to ever switch to something like the Family Share Pack, how long until Sprint stops allowing us to keep using grandfathered-in plans?

are your messages even directed at me or someone else?

guessing it would be applied to the $30 data portion

pardon me but at no point did I "balk at easy pay payments." the information you quoted was provided in the context of a discussion about enumerating all monthly payments for which Sprint customers would be responsible.

thanks for your work on this. admittedly, I am a highly cynical Sprint customer but I think what they've been doing with their plans of late - both in terms of the nuts and bolts of the plans and terrible job they've done in presenting them to the public and Sprint employees - and how little regard they demonstrate for existing Sprint customers will likely have a lot of people looking elsewhere.

I don't know how they'll actually work this out if you've got some devices on your account that weren't purchased at a discount (i.e. you bought them on ebay or wherever) and some that were purchased at a discount, but I'm virtually positive that the $15 per line per month fee is (a.) only applicable when using Easy Pay and (b.) is only waived for new customers. If you see something that suggests otherwise, please paste it. To be honest, I think they've done a fairly terrible job in presenting all the recent plans, though that may likely be because they really are only being aimed at new customers. for the sake of completeness, I should also add that with this "Easy Pay" option, for any of the higher profile new phones, your monthly payment is going to be (on average) somewhere around $30 per month for 24 months.

yeah, should definitely add the $40 per line fee as I would think a great many customers probably bought their phones under discounted pricing and wouldn't realize that this new plan offering is of no benefit to them. and really, given that existing customers are only entitled to 4 lines of service with the promotional price ($160/month for 20GB shared data and 4 devices purchased with "Sprint Easy Pay") this is going to prove to be a severely costly option, both in terms of price and sacrificed monthly data.

is it correct that this new Family Share Pack is really only a good option for new customers and existing customers who purchased their phones outright? under my grandfathered-in plan, I'm currently paying $210/month before discounts and taxes for 4 smartphones on my account with 1,500 shared minutes and unlimited data. by my estimate, if I were to switch to the Family Share Pack with 20GB of shared data, my monthly total before discounts and taxes would jump to $260/month. am I missing something?

without getting into a network quality argument, you could pay the ETF whenever you want for basically the same amount (if not less) than you would if you had to buy a phone outright anyway

oh yeah, you can finance, but it's going to negate any savings you'd have in selecting T-Mobile over Sprint, at least for the 2 years or so you'll be paying off those phones.

definitely interested to hear your findings with this. one thing I can definitely say is that T-Mobile's pricing becomes a whole lot less appealing when you factor in having to pay full price for every phone on your account