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Yes, but what will happen the day Edge, Next, Easy-Pay, (whatever the hell T-Mo calls it) is the only option available

People will be unhappy. I can guarantee one of the big two if not both will still offer these subsidized phones. It will bring people over from the others that dont offer two year contracts. Unless there is a much larger movement the big 2 will keep subsidized devices. Also we have been through this before with talks of removing subsidies.

Where will they leave to? Another company who is charging the same? I think this is a way to ween people away from legacy heavily discounted plans, and get folks to understand that the cost of owning a phone has gone up significantly.

 

People refuse to do edge and next every day. I see it and hear its because they dont want to pay the full cost of the phone. Even if you tell the average customer the truth of it all they still will go with the subsidiary phone. People even have switched carriers because so and so forced their Next, Edge, and pay for your phone each month plan. The market isnt ready to completely abandon the 2 yr subsidized phone plan just yet.

I still think the phones will cost. $600-$800 because people will only see the monthly payment cost/total bill being the same (on newer plans with unsubsidized rate cuts). Until all 4 carriers drop subsidies, prices will remain high. Also for older plans they would see a prige hike for device cost compared to new plans which would cause people to leave if they are forced to new plans. Not everyone likes change (older people mostly)

To those who wish to listen : http://services.choruscall.com/links/sprint141103.html

Can we get this compared to the sensorly data? Would be a ni e comparison! Thanks for this though looks nice!

Actually, it looks like there are more issues than just a frozen icon -- the app says LTE but is displaying a 3G connection, and the system icon is showing 3G.

 

Is this also on an S5? Did it happen on previous versions of the app, or have you only seen it on the new one? These are the first reports I've heard of this sort of thing. Hopefully we can at least narrow it down to WiFi calling on the S5 and/or the latest app update.

-Mike

This happened on the note 3 and M8 as well for me. Its an android bug that I guess. It will say a type of connection, and no signal bars but data works. Engineering screens show void info as well when it happens to me.

They waive the charge if you sign up for autopay and ebill, so it all seems like a non issue. I'm not on Asl so maybe I'm missing something?

Sometimes I have to wait a day or two after a bill to fully pay the bill amount, so It can sometimes cause NSF fees, and its not right for everyone. I like giving authorization each time I need to pay, so I have everything in check.

They kept charging me for lookout premium when I never added it to my account, they removed it once before and it magically appeared on this months bill.

 

Sent from my Nexus 5

Sounds about right. I even showed them previous receipts of not being required a deposit, and they refused to refund my money that was taken out without authorization. But a call from the store got them to credit that amount back on my bill, thankfully.

I was on the phone for several hours today, it's not an easy battle to win.

 

Sent from my Nexus 5

yeah i can see that. Ive had a few issues with my account before like being charged hidden deposits without any information confirming a deposit. Must be system errors

Perhaps it was. [emoji12]

 

Sent from my Nexus 5

They keep trying to tell me it only gets reviewed once a year and is done by the system, they dont like people leaving ASL.

. Well one thing led to another and I was promised a 20% credit 

That sounds dirty

Hmm I wonder If Target will allow me to stick these on their routers not that anyone will see them on the ceiling 

If the throttled speeds were usable, you would have a point.

 

But when the throttling essentially blocks or makes unusable any connection, then that is called service affecting.

That is the only issue I had, I would of been happy being throttled to 1mbps which is below their LTE advertised speeds, but definitely usable

Oh, I am all for going after all the throttlers. Don't advertise unlimited if you are using asymmetric throttling. Advertise 40GB or 50GB or whatever that limit is. If there is a limit, it's not unlimited.

But it still is unlimited even at slower speeds? If my math was correct even at .01mbps streamed 24/7 for 30 days equals to about 24-25K Mb which is still above what the average user uses. The point of unlimited data is to allow consumers to not have to worry about getting charged for using X GB or MB over their allotment. They still accomplish that with throttling. 

If speed throttling was applied equally to all the devices in the sector no matter whether they were on unlimited plans or not, then I would agree with you.

 

There is no need to throttle speed for those users because they watch their data more so than Unlimited Data users. There has to be a checks and balances system for even sprint and ATT. I am not going to complain about throttling, Network optimization, on sprint if or when it happens. ATT users were given notice, I know I did. IF we are going after ATT then go after all Unlimited data advertisers who Throttle. T-mobile Throttles you, Sprint does on certain sectors. I dont agree that ATT throttled to a usable speed, but it is done so that one user isnt using killing the experience for hundreds. Maybe it would be best for ATT to kill of all unlimited plans. Contract or not, the people that complain will leave or deal with it. ATT can do that for the better of the network which the people signed was ok. 

You advertise unlimited on TV, it'd better be unlimited, no 5pt type terms and conditions allowed.

 

Cable co's advertise x Mbps down, but in fine print you cant read state up too and they have not been in trouble for not providing X Mbps every second of every day. All unlimited means is they do not charge you per GB which is still true at 50mbps or .05 mbps. You still get unlimited data. They can easily force all unlimited users to only be able to access edge, and give them Unlimited data. Because they dont have to give every customer LTE or even HSPA+. They can shift people around as they see fit. It is their network after all. And people have had plenty of time to leave if they didnt like the throttle policy.

I don't think that AT&T should have the right to throttle unlimited users when they sold them unlimited. The network is self throttling as far as speed is concerned when it comes to periods of heavy use so it's not really done for network purposes. It is done for economic purposes so that they can extract extract more money out of heavy users. On the other hand if the contract has expired then they have every right to kick them off unlimited.

There is a limit on what unlimited actually is. They can just as well as limit the speeds they can use and technically the user is getting unlimited data. The thing about unlimited data is they dont say you get unlimited highspeed data. It is all about wording.

Wouldn't ATT dropping unlimited cause a violation of TOS? If you arr in the middle of contract, and your plan changes and causes a monetary chamge which going from unlimited to a set data limit could cause, it would allow people out of contracts? Good for sprint and Tmobile, but doubtful ATT would risk that. It could get away with it if you are no longer on contract or somehow are on ATT next with unlimited data.

They're upgrading Metro towers. That's a smart route.

The only reason East texas even has Tmobile LTE is due to Metropcs conversion. MetroLTE had LTE here first, spotty at that but thats the same 4-5 sites they use for 100k+ population.

FTC is suing AT&T for misleading customers on unlimited data plan. At&T would throttling customers after using a certain amount of data without telling them.

 

Personally, what took the FTC so long to finally stand up to AT&T about this issues.  AT&T been doing this for years.

 

 

 

http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/10/ftc-says-att-has-misled-millions-consumers-unlimited-data

When I had ATT unlimited I always remember getting notices about being throttled. Im guessing some others werent so lucky.

I was initially thinking Band 26 wasn't ready yet, possibly having the switching issues.

 

However, when I perform the steps mentioned above the phone works great with a steady band 26 connection:

So you are forcing the phone into band 26 only basically. Which is why it works

My m8 worked great on band 26. It could be network related kicking you off due to it not being fully operational. Ericsson was notorious fornthiz, we called them donuts. Basically it would kick you once you got closer to the site. Or if you didnt keep a steady data session.

My Note 4 is showing the neighbor cells just fine.

Is the note 4 running 4.4.4 out of the box? Could be an update in 4.4.4 for the gs5 that could fix it.

Are all samsung products having the No neighboring cell no show issue? or is it just the S5? Can't decide if a previous baseband flash could fix it.

Never get 800 voice on wifes s5 only 1x , was in target loss 1x and got no signal from 800 voice only seen 800 voice once one phone im in delaware market 800 is everywhere. Anybody get 800 alot or mostly 1x.

im on 1x800 usually at home, band 26 most everywhere else.