Deval

I guess I'm the opposite, I've seen the 3G speeds maintain their sub 200kbps for the longest time. I tried watching a Youtube video this morning, something which I was able to do a year ago, and gave up after 2 minutes of buffering.

At work I have a great 3G signal, usually peaking at 1.1mbps, but when I leave the office and walk on the street, I watch it drop to almost nothing.

Here's to NV coming to NYC soon...please?

You not only misspelled 4ringsnbr's screen name but also shortchanged his number by half. But that is okay, as 4rings deserves only half credit for that answer about VZW Cellular 850 MHz primacy. It is a generalization that does not really hold true across multiple markets.

 

4rings lives in a market where VZW originally was PCS 1900 MHz only, then acquired a Cellular 850 MHz license through the Alltel buyout. So, that, in and of itself, is a bit wonky.

 

My market, Kansas City, is a more typical VZW market. VZW originally was Cellular 850 MHz only but acquired a PCS 1900 MHz license about a decade ago. When VZW initially deployed EV-DO, it was EV-DO 1900 only. In most VZW markets like KC, that was the standard -- CDMA1X 850 + EV-DO 1900. In fact, many markets where VZW held no PCS 1900 MHz spectrum, such as Wichita, were late to EV-DO deployment, as VZW rarely deployed EV-DO 850.

 

In more recent years, however, the AMPS sunset and the deployment of additional carriers has enabled VZW to add some EV-DO 850. In KC, for example, EV-DO is now a mix of EV-DO 1900 and EV-DO 850.

 

AJ

Interesting, I think the same holds true for my market here. Though I'd love to get a history lesson from someone much more knowledgeable than myself.

 

Clearwire TD-LTE is already being designed to seamlessly handoff to Sprint FD-LTE. So no issues there.

 

 

Really? I didn't know that...makes for an interesting conversation.

T-Mobile has no plans to roll out nationwide 4G LTE only has plans for top 50 markets. Also they will only be 5x5 configuration because most spectrum is being devoted to HSPA+42 and HSPA+84 which have speeds equivalent to 4G LTE. I personally believe T-Mobile should just role out HSPA+42 and HSPA+84 which will actually be faster then ATT and Verizon's 4G LTE Netowrk because T-Mobile has less customers and we have already seen in comparisons between HSPA+42 on T-Mobile and ATT's 4G LTE are almost equivalent in speeds.

Well that makes sense, and as long as they use 1900mhz for HSPA+, they will be in great shape in terms of network connectivity for devices which they do not carry such as the iPhone.

Thanks for the reply. I am aware I will not have LTE on my phone but I tend to change phones after more than 2 years so I am curious about my phone's capabilities. My question regarding my phone really is this: As the phone supports 3g on the 800mhz band, will I ever see use there or will that band be strictly going from IDEN to LTE with no 3g support?

Actually LTE on the 800mhz band won't be for a while (at least from what I read on this site), so you'll be fine with the 800mhz service. I'm not sure if Sprint will actually deploy EVDO (3G) on 800mhz, or stick to 1x Advanced on 800mhz.

And to add, LTE on a future 800mhz band will provide enhanced inbuilding and capacity coverage. If you have a solid 3G signal now, you'll get a solid LTE signal with a new device as well.

Hi all,

 

So my question is this: Why would anyone buy a current phone when it won't support the full list of bands that Sprint plans to use in the future? Could someone clarify for me?

 

Future Sprint bands:

800 Mhz (IDEN) to be switched over to LTE

1900 Mhz (LTE currently being deployed)

2600 Mhz (Clearwire LTE?)

 

 

If I read correctly current phone offerings only support the 1900 Mhz band and not the 800 Mhz LTE nor the Clearwire bands.

 

 

Also, I currently own an EVO3D which has 3g support for the 800 Mhz band. How will network vision affect me? Will I be able to use 3g on the 800 mhz band or will it be LTE only?

 

 

A little confused.

Most people upgrade their phones every 22 months, so any device sold that supports LTE will work fine with the existing and upgrade networks.

Your EVO3D will work great with Network Vision, and you'll see enhanced 3G speeds and slightly better coverage as well. When you upgrade your phone this year or next year, you'll get a device which will access the LTE network for 4G, and still enjoy the enhanced 3G.

You won't get LTE access on your 3VO ever.

Back on track...

Those speeds are insane, and imagine, that will be nationwide soon enough...can't wait.

Robert told me earlier today that there were only 2 active NV sites in NYC but he shiul be getting an update soon so hopefully there are more.

 

Maybe those calls are from the implementation of NV around your area but I don't know. I'm no expert.

 

How are your data speeds?

Scratch that...waiting patiently for updates

Waiting patiently for NV here in NY/NJ...along with the enhanced coverage...annoying have to deal with drop calls where there were none before.

I was thinking about rigging up my nexus to use the touchstone charger. It looked like a lot of work though.

 

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I remember people doing that with the EVO when it first came out.

Yeah, I'm going to go find a Samsung Instinct or something so I can post with that.

 

And a Palm Pre, while I'm at it. Because I love 5 year old tech.

I still have my Palm Pre...with the Touchstone charger

Seems like AT&T is actually pretty screwed, at least compared to Verizon. AT&T's arrogance seemed to get the best of them when they thought they could acquire T-Mobile.

 

If I had to guess, AT&T will buy Dish's 40MHz S-Band for gobs of money. That's probably their best bet.

 

Personally, I think Sprint's spectrum position with Clearwire is probably the best in the industry, at least in the long-term. When Sprint can have Clearwire deploy all of their spectrum in small urban cells, I don't think AT&T or Verizon will be able to match that. Sprint finally can deploy their ESMR spectrum so people actually have good suburban/rural coverage, PCS spectrum will be the mix of capacity and coverage, and ERS/BRS will be the overflow in the very small percentage of square miles that has extremely dense populations (IE: major cities).

 

Seems like high frequency spectrum that doesn't propagate well is almost a positive in an urban environment - more opportunity to recycle spectrum and deploy more small cells - and with LTE-Advanced it should be fairly invisible to the end user. And in Urban settings, when people are in office towers, ESMR and PCS should still provide great coverage.

I have one major problem with this... Sprint's spectrum position with Clearwire which annoys me to no end. Sprint is building their own LTE network, and hopefully Clearwire will have some $$ to build theirs. If they don't, what will happen to all that spectrum?

AT&T is also rolling out a 10x10 configuration in markets that they can thanks to the acquisition of the Qualcomm 700 MHz spectrum. Everywhere else AT&T plans to launch a 5x5 configuration at 700 MHz.

 

Tmobile is planning to rollout LTE in 2013 and they are planning on a 10x10 configuration on their AWS spectrum in their top 25-50 markets. I would assume for the rest of the markets it would use a 5x5 configuration.

Does that mean T-Mobile will repurpose their PCS holdings (which is significant), for HSPA+?

And to add...Verizon rolled a truck and threw equipment on top of existing sites...Sprint is doing the entire Network Vision project to update everything.

Late to the party...but my thoughts as a pre-merger Sprint employee.

Nextel was a dying company...looked great on the outside, had a great niche product, great user base around said niche product, great marketing.

What they didn't have was a future. They had no strategic leadership looking 5 years out. That's why for years, they released 2-3 new phones, all with slightly upgraded features. You went from the i530, which had no external CID screen, to the i560, which did. Groundbreaking was unheard of.

If I remember correctly, during the BRS/EBS spectrum auctions, Nextel picked up a huge piece, with the promise to use it for a 4th generation network within 4 years or so. The problem was, there was no future for iDEN when it came to a 4G network. Hell, iDEN was a 2.5G network, barely.

Sprint saw the spectrum, and saw the future writing on the wall in terms of spectrum holdings, and jumped at it...and the rest is history...or in my case, now.

Be careful about calling Apple fans iSheep? I love my Apple products with a passion, but I won't blindly follow Apple. I even have my Mac set as a dual-boot setup with Windows when I'm in school, so I have taken a different path than some Apple fans.

 

And if they manage to stuff LTE radios in a new iPhone with the same size screen it has now, I would be fine with that. But if the next iPhone doesn't have LTE for Sprint, then I will be getting the EVO LTE.

After using the Epic Touch for so long, I can't go back to that smaller screen, but that's my opinion

The only reason I refer to them as iSheep is because in my experience, they follow blindly. I know someone who used to bash Apple left and right, daily, hourly, talked about how Android was king, etc. He finally caved in and got an iPhone, and now preaches that the higher powers in whatever heaven we believe in, came down and gave us this glorious device to ensure our salvation.

I didn't see a thread outlining this in this sub-section, so I figured I could start one and have some good discussion.

Being the tech sponge that I am, and my role at Sprint today, knowing the technical ins and outs of everyone's LTE network, including ours, is key.

That being said, with the collective geniuses that live on the board, can we have a dialog on each of the carriers' LTE plans, spectrum holdings, buildout model, etc.

I know Verizon is building out 10x10, with LTE rev 8 (I believe), and they are doing it per market, per site, by rolling a truck, bolting on the new equipment (base station, antenna, etc.) and leaving.

We all know what Sprint is doing with Network Vision, so what about everyone else?

Thoughts? Comments?

In regards to the Nextel tower shutdown, correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that they would decommission sites that were built to enhance network capacity, which for a total user base of 4.1 million, is overkill x100. I'm also assuming the equipment located in those sites is duct-taped together and has to get the hamster spinning the wheel replaced monthly.

I got my girlfriend's family to switch from AT&T and T-Mobile over to Sprint, and the one comment her sister made was that she missed the sim-voice/data on her old iPhone. She got used to being on the phone and checking emails at the same time, or looking up something. I got her to switch on the WIFI whenever she came home, and all is well now

Now those are some sweet hardware specs, inline with what HTC did with the EVO LTE.

Being a Samsung device, of course it will have a downright beautiful screen, and camera.

May 3rd needs to get here faster, I'm torn between the two phones as my next device (still may do iPhone anyway, depending on what it comes out with)

Anyway...back on track about a Sprint iPhone.

I for one am seriously looking to see what the new iPhone will have in terms of hardware specs. Give me a 4+" screen, LTE (of course), and perhaps increased screen resolution (960x480 is outdated now), and we'll talk. I'm by no means an Apple fanboy, usually I spend my days dealing with iSheep and their blind faith, but I respect an established ecosystem when it's there.

Depending on the physical device specs, I might use my rebate to purchase the new iPhone....maybe. As for Android, it will be a tossup between the HTC and the Samsung GS3. After using the EVO LTE, I'm sold on it, but am still curious what Samsung will bring forward with the GS3.

That's your story and your sticking to it? Jkjk

 

I'd of had a death grip on the device holding it out of site the whole time. Lol

 

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Trust me...it was tempting...first phone I've seen that I'd throw my Epic Touch out for.

The camera was crisp and fast, and almost zero shutter lag and focus.

Not gonna lie....looks like your helping no one and just holding the phone to urself in the pic. LOL

 

Not that I can blame you. Hehe

 

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They got me walking between the crowds. Basically I was one of the guys who was floating with the phone, so anyone who wanted more personal time with it, or away from the crowded tables, could get to see it and demo it.

Hey, I remember seeing you. lol If I had known we would have taken a shot together for the forum. lol

 

TS

LOL...yeah man, and you would have gotten all the time you wanted to play with the phone.