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I know better than to read Craig Moffet quotes before my morning cup of coffee has kicked in. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Lots of gray trails. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

I bought mine on launch day too. Titanium Gray in Santa Fe, NM. Doesn't work on CDMA 800, and I've tested it on Ericsson, ALU and Samsung NV 800 signals. It will connect to Channel 476. But it will not call out. Receive calls. Or SMS. If the 800 signal is weak, it will shunt me over to 1900 to make a call. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

I was in church. You had to wait until the pastor wasn't looking. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

I love them! Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Oh no. Here come the flashbacks. lol Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Now that brings back memories. I came from a large family. My parents wouldn't buy Trapper Keepers for us. I thought my parents were abusing me because all the cool kids had one. After one whole school year of hiding the generic one my parents bought me, I vowed to buy one myself. I worked over the summer so I could save money and buy myself a Trapper Keeper. Earning 25 cents for every job around my house or pestering my neighbors for work. I mowed a lot of grass, cleaned gutters, pulled weeds. All in that 100° summer heat. I was so satisfied when I earned enough money for one. I walked the mile to the local Raley's store in Vacaville, California to buy it. It was blue. The most radical shade of electric blue. Awesome, dude. Of course, after buying mine, they came out with new ones with full color images on all surfaces. But it was glorious for about one week. Until school started. And then everyone had one. I realized what a waste of time to work so hard for something that was fleetingly cool. I never cared about what everyone else thought was cool ever again. It was the beginning of becoming the quirky slightly antisocial nerd, who dislikes what is popular and roots for the underdog. I guess it is the fault of Mead and their Trapper Keeper that caused me to become the owner of a Sprint site! Sprint is the nerdy, quirky, antisocial non popular underdog wireless provider. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

There is a Spark site on the roof of the Hilton. I was hitting 45Mbps with a strong signal when connected to it. To check your channel/band, go to the LTE Engineering screen. Go to the phone dialer, dial ##DATA#. Select LTE Engineering. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

You can make and receive calls on 1X 800 and the call stays on 800? If so, you may have one of the GN2's that doesn't seem effected. My GN2 would not work on 800. It would connect and sit on the channel. But SMS and voice calls would not work. If the 800 signal was weak enough, it would drop me over to 1900 to make an out going call. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Site acceptance reports from Thursday (2/6): Alabama - 3 updates (3G) Cincinnati - 2 updates (2 LTE) Colorado - 2 updates (2 LTE) East Michigan - 10 updates (10 LTE) GA/SC Coast - 2 updates (2 LTE) Long Island - 1 update (3G) Lower Central Valley - 2 updates (2 LTE) Memphis - 1 update (3G) Miami/West Palm - 1 update (3G) Mississippi - 2 updates (3G) Missouri - 1 update (3G) Myrtle Beach - 3 updates (3 LTE) Nashville - 3 updates (3 LTE) New York City - 3 updates (2 LTE) Northern Jersey - 1 update (3G) Orange County - 1 update (3G) Phoenix - 4 updates (2 LTE) Pittsburgh - 3 updates (3G) Raleigh/Durham - 1 update (1 LTE) Riverside/San Bernardino - 5 updates (4 LTE) Rochester - 9 updates (9 LTE) SF Bay - 3 updates (3 LTE) San Diego - 1 update (3G) South Carolina - 2 updates (2 LTE) South Texas - 2 updates (1 LTE, 1 new LTE site) Tampa - 1 update (3G) Tucson/Yuma - 2 updates (2 LTE) Upper Central Valley - 5 updates (5 LTE) Upstate NY Central - 2 updates (3G) Utah - 41 updates (10 LTE) West Kentucky - 3 updates (3G) West Michigan - 2 updates (2 LTE) West Texas - 1 update (1 new LTE site) West Virginia - 5 updates (5 LTE) Winston/Salem - 2 updates (2 LTE) Maps were updated Friday night. Just now getting around to the summary. Robert Links: Comments regarding this thread, NV Sites Complete Map

If it is just one Band 25 site that you cannot connect to, it makes me conclude that site is having a problem. It may be the site is disconnected from CSFB for some reason. Or the site may be down. Robert

A great example of how managing all these thresholds/handoffs is going to be extremely complex. It will be a lot of trial and error. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Band 41 is set up as a priority on many devices. It seems like there are some inconsistencies going on where for some people it's last. But it doesn't matter, because lots of people who have devices set as Band 41 as the lowest are still getting put on 41 because the 25 is over capacity anyway. I also wouldn't be surprised if Sprint is trying to set priorities by region on these devices. And that may explain why we are seeing inconsistencies. Also, I wouldn't rule out an OEM fubar. And last, they may not be setting any scan priorities now at all until the device is farther along. Where you enter the LTE network is just not a very big deal all things considered. However, if you don't move around and your channel is under capacity, you'll likely stay there a long time. I would put Band 41 first on all devices by default if I was Sprint. And lots of people are able to stay on Band 41 as their top priority. I don't think the network is overriding your device band priority selection. I think that is your device. Something is wrong. Are you using a custom ROM or something? Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

On a Triband network with several available channels, the network is going to be working over time keeping up with this. But it is exciting for me. If managed correctly, this could be fantastic. I hope Sprint does not allow Ericsson Network Services to set up and manage this. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

If the signal is not strong enough or of enough quality, you will not be moved. There will likely be a lot of fine tuning over months and years. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

I get your point. But that's why network threshold set up and management is there. It won't let Triband devices stay on Band 25 unless it is under capacity. For a long time, it is much more likely for Band 25 to cross maximum thresholds than any other band. And when that happens, if you have a 26 or 41 channel available that is not over its maximum threshold, you'll be shunted. Even if you had 25 as the highest priority on your Triband device, if after you connect and the channel is over maximum capacity threshold, the network will start hunting for a better place. This is already happening now for Uniband device owners. Many times when they connect to Band 25, the network knows their channel is above maximum threshold and starts looking to move them off. However, it can only search Band 25. It may actually find another Band 25 sector on the same site or another Band 25 channel on a different site to move to. It's trying to spread out the load. But with an incomplete network, it will have varied results in doing this. That's why some people in St. Louis or New Orleans don't see much improvement when one site gets added in a place with whole bunch of completed sites that are over capacity. Instantly the network starts shunting traffic from the adjacent sites to the new site. The sectors facing the existing sites may get near or over capacity instantly. Whereas the sectors facing away existing sites may do fine as they have no other sites that can pass on traffic from. This is really a dynamic network. It's very exciting and nothing like what we are used to seeing. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

If the network is able to manage this properly, this is the best way. Everyone sees more 'bars' and only users who have no other Band accessible can stay on Band 26 after the threshold is crossed. If Sprint does this right, it could make for a killer network. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

I don't think Band 26 is a priority for Apple devices. Since the signal is stronger, the device is more likely to connect to Band 26 first. And since Band 26 traffic is so low right now, there is no chance really to cross the maximum threshold and the network to start looking for another band for your device. Maintaining Band 26 will be easy initially. I highly doubt the 'mean letter' theory. Since Band 25/26 handoffs are seamless, Apple is OK with it. I have theorized it was Apple that stopped CDMA 800 from being a high priority because the call drop rate between 800/1900 was not acceptable to the Cupertino Boys. I believe this will change when there is a cohesive CDMA 800 network and there will be no need to handoff to 1900 (except for possibly capacity). Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

It will allow you to stay on the first LTE channel it connects with until a threshold is crossed with the network and it looks to start moving people off the channel. So your priority may help you connect and stay on a preferred channel initially. Until the network says otherwise. And it may not say otherwise during your whole session. Let's say you set Band 26 as the highest priority. Your device scans Band 26, finds a channel and connects. The network will let you stay there until the channel hits a threshold. Even if Band 41 is available for you, it probably will let you stay on 26. However, Band 26 will likely have low thresholds established because they will want to preserve performance for those people who are outside 25/41 coverage. So if they chose 50% capacity limit, everyone could use a Band 26 channel/sector until it hit 50% capacity. Then when it hits 50%, it will start looking for devices that also have a neighboring cell on another band or sector that is also not over its threshold, and then start shunting other connections to them. My illustration previously that you quoted was to explain that if you get your device to connect to something you'd prefer to be connected to, don't be surprised if the network moves you to another channel/sector/band. Because you cannot stop the network from moving you. The network can and will move you to your least preferred band if it feels like it needs to based on how the channels/sectors/bands are loading up in your area. This really will be a non issue for most of us. Since Band 41 performance is so good, and almost always better than Band 25 even with a weak signal, most of us will want Band 41 to be he highest priority. It also has the most capacity and ability for Sprint to add additional capacity. Band 41 should be the highest priority always. Where it gets sticky is Band 26. Since Band 25 is already congested in many areas for varied reasons, a Triband device owner probably should steer clear of Band 25 for awhile. I don't see any harm in making Band 26 the second highest priority since the network should move you off if you're impacting performance anyway. You can even disable a band in your device and the network can still move you over to it. Because the network sees all your neighboring cells you can move to and can send you over. Band 25 is the uniband device band for awhile. Unless Sprint starts adding additional carriers in this band to supplement capacity, I would avoid this band (when possible) until Triband adoption rate gets above 50%. Remember, the network will not just start checking where the best place for you to go at all times. It will allow you to camp out a place until certain network thresholds are crossed. Which will likely vary by band. Although, if I was Sprint, I would probably set the threshold on 3MHz Band 26 really low. I would probably not let anyone use data on that channel unless there are no other neighboring cells present below maximum threshold. Since it is a low capacity channel, it should be saved for those who need it. All others I would foreceably shunt to another band. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Goes without saying! Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Eating lunch at the Great Wall (the best Chinese cuisine in Rapid City, BTW) and it appears that Dan Hesse's Fortune mistakenly appeared in my cookie. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

When you consider that VZW and ATT customers were paranoid about pushing their data caps, and Sprint's customers unlimitedly using their data to their hearts content...then it really becomes impressive that Sprint could maintain a usable speed at all. If I had at least 1Mbps speeds in a small area with tens of thousands of other customers, I'm happy. Robert via Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

I heard some one say OAK-UHH-LUH the other day when referring to Ocala. I died a little inside. :zombie: Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Priorities are not a network selection preference. They are a network scan preference. It only consults the priority order for scanning. When your device needs to scan for a new LTE signal, it will start with the order saved on the device. It will start with highest priority band and scan all the channels of that band. If it cannot connect, it moves on ton the next band and then the final band. Looking for a channel to connect to. However, once it connects to an LTE channel. It doesn't really consult your device anymore unless it loses an LTE signal and has to start scanning again. The network will decide when you change bands after your initial connection. It handles your handoffs. People can set Band 26 as the highest priority. But when they get there and make a connection, if the network decides you belong on Band 41 or Band 25, you will get shunted over there. So selecting priorities is only good for deciding where you will start on the LTE network. So trying to over think which band order is most important really doesn't matter much. Sprint is going to decide where you're going to be dynamically every few seconds based on loads, signal strength, quality, etc. I wouldnt be surprised if Sprint starts using Band 26 as the main band and only start handing off LTE traffic to other bands when an active data session starts. Robert via Samsung Note 8.0 using Tapatalk Pro

Right now the GN2 has a CDMA 800 problem. You can't do anything at the moment to use CDMA 800 on a GN2. If you change the PRL to one that does 800, you will at least be able to connect to CDMA 800. But you will not be able to use it on the Note 2. Robert