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On 7/6/2020 at 4:07 AM, iansltx said:

At least here, TMo has enough for 15x15 NR and 10x10 LTE, but WCW's 600 licenses start almost immediately west/northwest of here (they have 10x10 IIRC). WCW has 10x10 of 700 plus CLR-B here, but no AWS or PCS, so T-Mobile not having any spectrum to play with here on mid-band and 600 isn't WCW's fault.

The fault lies squarely with AT&T for that...thanks to acquisitions of CricKet (who acquired Pocket Communications earlier) and Cellular One/Dobson (who bought CellOne/Dobson earlier), they have 5x5 of B12, 2x10x10 of AWS, CLR-A, and 10x10 + 2x5x5 of PCS. Verizon has 15x15 of PCS and 10x10 of AWS (plus their nationwide 700 upper-C). T-Mobile has 10x10 of PCS and 10x10 + 5x5 of AWS alone, plus 15x15 of PCS A-F, but there's no contiguity with TMo unless they did some sort of swap with AT&T, which I doubt would happen.

In San Angelo on the other hand, yep, WCW has a whopping 20x20 of AWS, leaving AT&T with 10x10 and T-Mobile with 10x10 of B66...and a mere 5x5 of PCS, with a graveyard of a couple providers (Flat Wireless/ClearTalk, Leaco/NMobile) sitting in PCS and AWS in addition to WCW taking 7.5 MHz of PCS...and Verizon taking 20x20. Sprint has its usual 15x15 + 5x5 though, so eventually T-Mobile won't be quite as bad. Oh, and VZW and WCW split CLR.

If att has 3 different non contiguous carriers it's possible they would swap

Thanks. I saw this too. Seems like it "should" continue with 5G even post merger but probably still up in the air. I will follow this closely.

it will be able to use 5G. N71 and N41 are both sub6 GHz. Just not Mmwave

 

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Got my fastest speeds on T-Mobile 5G yet, today. This is on mmWave in Brooklyn. I have a feeling that the reason I never connect to n41 is because I'm either close enough that I can connect to n261 or so far that I can only connect n71.
Edit: The site has Band 2/12/46(LAA)/66, and n41 installed but it doesn't have Band 71/n71. T-Mobile really confuses me sometimes. 
 

Is B2 10x10 or 15x15?

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Does this mean that the Oneplus 8 being sold by Sprint will eventually become a LTE phone and lose 5G ? I am interested in the phone, but if it will eventually get cut off from 5G, I'll just wait until all the dust settles.

Here's what I found

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Random question, but I see that Sprint is selling the Oneplus 8 5G. Will this phone still be good in the future after the merger ? I saw some of the earlier 5G phones on Sprint are being disconnected as T-Mobile is moving forward. I wouldn't want to get a phone that is obsolete in less than 12 months.

The 5G phones are disconnected they just became LTE phones, just not 5G.

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Out of curiosity, where did you go exactly? Do you have a band 71 capable device? Almost all of T-Mobile's new coverage in north NorCal is band 71, Sprint has totally ignored the area for ages. US Cellular is usually pretty good up there, if your phone has band 13. 

Did you mean B12? B13 is vzw

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No, they expanded from 10mhz to 15mhz.

Oh that's what you're talking about [emoji106]

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5mhz+ B2 is live all over Queens. Also hit a couple N41 sites.

Is that a 2nd carrier?

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Sprint has an LTE roaming agreement with AT&T and T-Mobile has an LTE roaming agreement with Verizon. Both of you were probably experiencing some variation of this. 

AT&T LTE roaming for Sprint users has historically been capped at 128kbps, so quick speeds would be something new...were you able to get a speed test?

Why does TMO have a LTE roaming agreement with VZW but sprint doesn't? I didn't think VZW could offer LTE roaming for anyone since they lack capacity

 

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as of today band 25 being reduced on Sprint side, EARFCN 8321 is 5 MHz vs 8290 10 MHz here in LES. But when I forced roam to T-mobile it still 10 MHz band 2 EARFCN 750.

Give it some time that will change

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I just lost B41 LTE in downtown Los Angeles.  Can’t even get it by forcing band selection—everything is B25 now...

It's possible TMO has shut it down with the plan to move you over to them. Is B25 10x10+5x5 or just 5x5+5x5

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They poached it from the lower 5MHz of Sprint's PCS B-block. I'm assuming the plan is to eventually expand PCS to 20MHz, leaving two 5MHz blocks (one in B-block and one in G-block) for legacy HSPA and Sprint LTE.

HSPA+ isn't on B2 in NY. It's on B4 out there since they have 20x20 B4. Before the merger TMO only had 10x10 total

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Do we know where this additional 5Mhz of B2 is coming from? Did they get rid of the last of 1900mhz HSPA? Or take spectrum from Sprint?
If they are using original T-Mobile spectrum I think that just leaves 5 mhz AWS for HSPA

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If you're talking about B2 going from 10x10 to 15x15 yes it's sprint spectrum. In other markets they use B2 for H+ but in NY they have 25x25 of AWS, so H+ uses B4

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Is it using both at once? Like carrier aggregation? B66/2 being used for download and upload (like primary carrier) and n41 only being used for download (like secondary carrier)? Again, apologies for the probably basic question lol.
-Anthony

Here we go

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A few weeks ago when I got my S20 ultra.. i have seen B66 all over Utah.. But I also bounce all over other bands to... I have seen B71, dont know if its N71 or not... Will SCP show that???
 

No only *#0011# does

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Is it using both at once? Like carrier aggregation? B66/2 being used for download and upload (like primary carrier) and n41 only being used for download (like secondary carrier)? Again, apologies for the probably basic question lol.
-Anthony

I think so. I know I've seen B66 for sure

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That's encouraging to see, especially since B2 is used in CA on almost all configurations.

Will be interesting to see what TMO does with the G block down the road when the sprint network is gone

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Wait, so what's the difference between T-Mobile's 2.5GHz 5G and Sprint's 2.5GHz 5G, that causes older 5G phones that could connect to Sprint's implementation to not be able to connect to T-Mobile's? I figured it would just be a PLMN change or something (if that's even a thing with 5G).
 
Apologies at my lack of understanding of 5G. It's been awhile since I've been active on the forum and I'm going off my previous LTE knowledge. Feel free to link something that may help me understand better [emoji28]
 
-Anthony

The difference is sprint was doing n41 5G+ B41 LTE. TMO is doing B66 and or 2 LTE +n41 5G

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T-Mobile's spectrum constraints with n71 are pretty short term because the plan is to implement DSS so that they can use the full breadth of spectrum across LTE and 5G. It's the same plan that Verizon and AT&T have for their n5 networks. Likely by year end or early 2021 we'll be up to 15MHz n71.

In NY TMobile only holds 10x10 themselves, so it's likely they are losing borrowed Spectrum

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Oh, it's definitely a huge fine to pay. The intention is getting a 4th mobile carrier out of this, and I'd personally rather it be dish if they get their darned network deployed.
They actually have plenty of spectrum of their own, and have it spec'd for largely unpaired use on the AWS side, so with NR-SA they could have some pretty phenomenal speeds. If they ever. Freaking. Deploy. Their. Network.

Yeah have your see what the future holds. If they build out network but do it without buying boost that is a big mistake. They need to have a standout prepaid carrier. TMobile has metro, att cricket and vzw visible. Dish can change the Boost name if they see fit. Yes boost has lost customers, but that is likely do to running off sprint and not having access to tmo where sprint doesn't have coverage and lack of VOLTE. Running off TMO network for the first 7 years and if dish can have more coverage by that time when sprint did that will help also.

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Hot take for y'all: if DIsh doesn't come to an agreement to buy Boost, they should be forced to lease their spectrum to whoever does, indefinitely. Because we all know that, given the option, Dish will sit on their spectrum and do precisely nothing useful with it for years. Right up until they're forced to loan it to someone who actually has a network.

Could be but that's also a pretty big fine to pay.

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Too much trouble for what it is. Yet another low frequency to support with RRHs. They already have 600/700 RRHs. If they can sell it to somebody for $3.5B they can turn around and buy or lease more 600Mhz from Comcast and Columbia Capital. 

TMO already signed long term agreement with Columbia capital

 

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Right now you have a total of 12.5x12.5 for each cellular carrier. You have 7 MHz of ESMR. You could have 30 Mhz of band 26 owned by the cellular carriers and couple of Mhz for guard bands. T-Mobile does not want the band 26 and neither does Dish. Otherwise Dish would not have an option, they would have a firm agreement.

I don't get why TMO wouldn't want it. It's still only 5x5 just like B12 and available in places they don't own B12 and would benefit customers that still don't have B71 devices. TMO still has iPhone 6s users

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I am also interested in what T-Mobile or Dish will do with the b26 spectrum. While Dish has an option to buy it after 3 years and a penalty if they don't, I am not sure why they would want to. I would like for T-Mobile to sell it to the Cellular Carriers (band 5) and have them redo band 5 to they can each have 15x15 allocations.

SMR doesn't cover B5, so those carriers would have to do B26

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Columbus 600MHz spectrum was just whacked 5x5 in a dispute with Dish.

That stinks. My area LTE is still 10x10 I wonder if it's because I'm in a Columbia capital area? Mpls

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