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I think Ray is having a hard time detaching CDMA 1x and EVDO. The more I hear about 1x and it's tiny sliver of spectrum and hd voice combined with LTE for data, it seems like the perfect match. Sprint can drop EVDO a hell of a lot sooner than T-Mobile can drop HSPA+.

I'm fine with rural carriers getting to use that spectrum, but I don't think there needs to be any more fragmentation of spectrum in the US. I don't expect carriers to deploy complete nationwide on >1ghz spectrum.

Okay this is my first smart phone so I don't know how to put up pics or anything but I am Happy to report here at work in Cicero, IL I am hitting 4G. I ran 2 tests on my phone activated minutes ago. It reports test 1@3:33 3441kbps down 1141kbps up and 50ms ping. @ 3:34 it is at 3707 kbpps down 1254 kbps up 59ms ping. Now I am showing 3g again. but it was showing 4g at time of test.

 

 

UPDATE: Just ran another test in 3g horrible.323 down 21 up 193 ping. However I moved 5 ft 4G picked up at 5557 down 2261 up and 73 ping.

 

Note: All tests are from in a building.

So what's going on with your 3g vs 4g is that the closest tower to you is still not updated to 4g yet and probably not 3g/backhaul either. However, you are close enough to get a weak LTE signal from another tower that was upgraded. Your speeds will improve in both 4g and 3g when they upgrade the tower giving you the really slow 3g speeds right now. LTE is very signal dependent, so that distant signal can only give you 3mbps now, but you will probably see 10+ in the future.

Also there's no Sensorly 4g coverage anywhere in Florida yet, so if you get something you would be the first. It would be your duty to run Sensorly if you get 4g, got that?!?

 

I don't get the T-Mobile merger, neither company is actually using most of the spectrum they actually have. They should be forced to either use it or give it up.

We know with T-Mobile's network vision type project, they will be utilizing most all of their PCS and AWS spectrum in every market. Companies don't have to have the network built yesterday when they acquire spectrum. A company like T-Mobile will put any available spectrum they can to use as fast as possible.

I realize that NewCo will have some excess in certain markets like AJ's article shows, but I also expect them to have to sell that excess off to make for a much more fair and competitive spectrum landscape.

Oh wow, that's my neck of the woods. It's probably the UIC/University Village tower. It's too bad my Evo wouldn't pick that up unless I airplane cycle the phone. =(

I would direct you to the EVO LTE thread to discuss these issues. Members here have been very aware of the issues with connecting with the EVO LTE. They've also been looking at the effects of each OTA for the EVO LTE as well as comparisons to other phones. S4GRU will have an article comparing the EVO LTE connection to GS3 and other phones in the coming days. Here's to hoping that an upcoming OTA will get the EVO LTE to connect to LTE when in range.

If they sell it. My bet is AT&T buys it. Even with WCS AT&T is going to need more spectrum, even if none of us want to give it to them. I don't think Verizon is allowed to buy more spectrum yet, but I could be wrong.

Sprint offers Dish an olive branch in clash over spectrum shift- http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/sprint-offers-dish-olive-branch-clash-over-spectrum-shift/2012-10-04

Sprint Nextel (NYSE:S) said that if the FCC agrees to auction the 1900 MHz PCS H Block and agrees to protect its adjacent PCS G Block from interference, Sprint will work with standards-setting bodies to ensure that all standards work for Dish Network's spectrum can be completed within six months or less.

http://www.fiercebroadbandwireless.com/story/sprints-tarazi-explains-hetnets-and-network-vision-20/2012-10-03

Network Vision 2.0 will take the core and add some more capabilities to it and allow us to extend it to 800 (MHz) LTE. The work we announced with Clearwire (NASDAQ:CLWR) on 2.5 (GHz) TD-LTE, interoperability with all the small cells--picos, femtos and e-femtos--is in a seamless way. And all of the next-generation integration with Wi-Fi hotspots and the combination of all these tools now--CDMA, LTE at 1.9, LTE at 800, LTE at 2.5, picos, femtos and Wi-Fi--is also in a seamless manner The customers don't have to know they're moving back and forth, but they get the benefit of the scale that is in essence the next-generation core and radio technology we're deploying.

So much for NV 2.0 being the great expansion into rural areas using CDMA/LTE-800. Good to see they are embracing WIFI, though.

Also interesting, they are calling LTE-800/LTE-2500 "Network Vision 2.0" now. I guess that makes sense. Interview details more about Sprint's plan for pico cells too.

That's what it's all about going forward...Getting as much spectrum capacity in as many urban areas as possible. T-Mobile could use a little slice of the of the sub 1hz pie, but it's not their primary goal right now. I do see them expanding coverage at a slow rate, though.

I agree with all the replies about 850. I was doing a summary for all carriers and brushed over how easily Sprint could add 850. Not sure if they would need new antennas on the towers, but essentially a moot point.

iansltx - Thanks for the great writeup where you separate LTE bandwidth from legacy. Tons of insight.

I also am really intrigued by the idea of USCC as a short to medium term subsidiary of Sprint. This should keep more contracts around and makes sense to me. Then eventually replace USCC towers with Sprint towers with 850 support.

So what company is going to take on the job of acquiring US Cellular? Verizon lines up the best spectrum wise, but would probably get rejected by the FCC. Also they were told to dump 700 a and b and this would have them acquiring more.

Sprint would have to sell off AWS and Cellular(850), and 700 just to get some PCS

AT&T makes sense, would the FCC allow it?

T-Mobile is not CDMA, but that doesn't seem to stop them. It would be their first cellular 850 spectrum to maintain, however, and 700 block spectrum. In a lot of ways it would make them a powerhouse, but only in certain geographic areas.

US Cellular might just be too hard to integrate and that's probably the reason they are still independent.

They still don't have any <1GHz spectrum.

They still have to maintain HSPA+, which is just as big of a bandwidth junkie as LTE, essentially splitting their spectrum in half.

It's not just a direct comparison between amount of spectrum.

There aren't a whole lot of connections out there bringing better latency than the 50-60ms NV LTE is bringing. Data speeds would definitely be fast enough to do it too.

Jitter is either caused by latency or connection hiccup or computer hiccup. Wireless always has the potential to give a connection hiccup(momentary loss of connection) as there are many factors like sitting between towers or wireless taking multiple paths etc.

Lastly, while it's very possible to use your Sprint connection for things like this, Sprint service should not be considered for home Internet usage. They will be cracking down on high usage of data post network vision, especially if they suspect it's done using a free tethering plan.

Maybe if he read this thread he'd enable Wifi calling to appease some of us. Man I would love wifi calling when I'm in rural areas.

Spectrum probably gains a bit of value the closer it becomes to usable. Sprint is just waiting until the right time to sell, which shouldn't be long now that the FCC is approving it for LTE use. That one company was in bad debt and dire need to sell the spectrum.

I don't think we can conclude anything about Minnesota until we start seeing them show up on the weekly reports of sites complete. I would not consider them behind schedule right now though.

While enhancements definitely help, they are no Network Vision. More carriers and t1 lines have a limited effect.

I've had the complete opposite, but it was southwest of Leech Lake and my ATT phone was 2g. In rural areas, you just gotta go with whoever has the closest tower to you.

I hope in 2014 sprint will announce.... Network Vision 2 (The massive rural expansion using SMR).

This deserves a whole topic!!! Not sure where the topic would go, but I would love to see Sprint take on Verizon's 850 coverage. I know some places in northern Minnesota that T-Mobile and Sprint would both like to venture into (selfish).

Ya my thinking might have been crazy. I was thinking about a medium density area, you would probably want to downtilt the 800, but not the 1900. Since you have more spectrum/phones in the 1900 LTE, you would want it to cover the entire area. I was also thinking that in that situation maybe 1900 LTE would travel slightly further than 800 LTE since you have independent control of LTE on 1900.

The more I think about it you could downtilt your 800 as much as you want to make sure 800 and 1900 cover the same area - Disregard as irrelevance.

Hopefully 0 downtilt LTE 1900 covers the entire area of 800 cdma with downtilt. If they can cover that scenario, they could pretty much cover anything I think.

I would have liked to have seen Sprint offer SDC for free as well for people with unlimited plans. I was going to try out the new Android app, but saw that it is $5 a month. I wonder how much it costs them monthly to run that service. I think more people might stay if that wasn't an extra $5 per device per month.

Also doesn't seem compatible with my phone for some reason.

Or you didn't have an iPhone... Sorry, couldn't resist. Props for being here, seeing you have n iPhone n all... Dang, again sorry haha

 

~Stock 2.13 LTEvo Certified replacement with screen bleed... waiting for second replacement tomorrow...

 

P.S. Stock blows!

Does my profile say I have an Iphone? I must have misspelled Evo 4g. I was just looking for a little help from the massive influx of LTE users today.

It would sure help if there was a Sensorly app for Iphone.

irev210 - Thanks for this info! It would have been nice for them to post per second, since a lot happens over a year and they have to be assuming full capacity all the time.