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LTE-1900 will be worse than current 3g 1900. 3g 1900 will be improved by up to ~20%, however. If you get a new phone that has LTE-800 and the towers close to you are outputting LTE-800, then your in building LTE coverage could be better by a lot or a little than current 3g. LTE-800 is theory right now so we would have to go by similar deployments like Verizon LTE-700, which doesn't travel as far as their CDMA/3g 850, but does travel quite well.

This seems like the reason LTE phones are able to save battery on cdma networks. They turn it off and go to 1x when the screen is off. Last thing I would want is LTE burning up the battery all the time.

With new qualcomm phones the radios are all on the same chip so the battery drain is similar to keeping a wifi radio on all the time, not much.

If you look at sensorly, or decide to become a sponsor, you can pretty much see exactly where the towers are. I totally agree with you! I would love to see LTE on the other side of Maple Grove.

Maybe VZW has enough cash that they will deploy a NV style project sooner rather than later with LTE-A?

I might derail this thread a bit, but I don't think Verizon Iphone 5 model A1429 supports Band 4. I'm not sure if it's just a software patch to expand band 1 support to band 4 though. Seems like it would be easy if they thought ahead. I mention this because there's so many darn iPhone users, it's pretty important for VZW.

Completely disagree, 2500 is small cell/high capacity relief spectrum anyway, not nationwide build-out spectrum.

What company do you think is going to buy the Clearwire spectrum at a fair price? No other company needs this capacity spectrum as much as Sprint. All the other nationwide providers have made other deals to ensure enough capacity for the next 5-10 years.

Anyone up for some lutefisk? J/k but we do have some left over lefse, krumkaka, rosettes. Also, it looks like it will be 0 degrees when we wake up for Xmas in the cities tomorrow!

He would need the assets infrastructure as well

Definitely. And in places where this occurs, EBS licensees will have to be paid off handsomely to renew. And the licensees know it and are chomping at the bit to get back to the negotiating table.

 

Robert via Samsung Note II via Tapatalk

I'm very interested in learning more about these locations and this situation in general.

I've always heard just get your phone insurance through a standard home insurance company, but I also heard don't use your own as it could up your rates if you lose/break your phone often enough. Probably what I will do when I get a new phone. It's a lot cheaper and they will replace for free with less questions asked. Can anyone else verify that this seems like a good idea?

This brings up a great old topic. 2500 priority! Now Sprint will have no reservations about 2500 > 1900 > 800

Came expecting a message from Robert. Dan was my second guess though.

It would be hard to judge the improvement. Most people arent in an active market let alone had enough towers upgraded around them to notice the improvement in service.

BINGO!! These are all anecdotal reports. Very likely chances are the LTE tower people connect to right now is not the closest tower to them. The only place with a great 3g footprint is the Chicago suburbs, not even the city proper yet. I would say the book is definitely out still on whether 3g improvements will be as good as w are expecting. Your best bet would be to find individual posts of members who were able to do speed tests of towers with guaranteed 3g upgrades. Robert even suggested once getting close proximity to a tower + line of site and then putting your back against the wall of a big building to guarantee connectivity to a certain tower for 3g.

I cannot feel the difference between 12Mbps and 5Mbps (which my DSL slows down to at night) on my smartphone. No difference in any of the apps nor streaming. The only thing that I can do to notice the difference is to download large files. And I do not download anything larger than a couple hundred MB's on my phone. And that is not a frequent occurrence.

 

If you need mega ultra high speed mobile downloads in lieu of ultra high speed mobile data, find another carrier. I bet when you run through your data allotment with another carrier, Sprint's LTE speeds will seem pretty darn fast.

 

How fast does your car go? Did you know that they make cars that go double or triple the top speed of your car? Why don't you buy them? Because they are expensive and there is a car in your price range that meets your needs. That is Sprint LTE.

 

We need to get back to reality with our data desires and pair it with our needs. I'm a broken record here, but most people reject higher speeds at home with ala carte pricing. The average American has 6Mbps internet at home and it meets their needs. They aren't willing to pay more for faster speeds. If we implemented an increased cost for faster speeds on mobile wireless internet, most smartphone users would still select approx. 6Mbps, because they would realize there is little advantage for faster mobile speeds and would be wasting money.

 

Robert via Samsung Note II via Tapatalk

Not to mention latency is half of the feel of speed anyway. And the new Sprint network will be top notch in that regard!

And you piss less people off if it shuts off randomly.

AWS licensees of the H Block (1915-1920 MHz paired with 1995-2000 MHz) are collectively

responsible for reimbursing Sprint Nextel, Inc. or a successor in interest to Sprint Nextel, Inc. (Sprint), a

pro rata share of the eligible expenses that Sprint has incurred from relocating and clearing Broadcast

Auxiliary Service (BAS), Cable Television Relay Service (CARS), and Local Television Transmission

Service (LTTS) incumbents from the 1990-2025 MHz band. Specifically, within 30 days of grant of its

long-form application, AWS licensees in the 1995-2000 MHz band, which constitutes one-seventh of the

35 megahertz of spectrum at 1990-2025 MHz, shall, on a pro rata shared basis as set forth below in this

RN =

EA POP

U.S. POP

( ) x $12,629,857

Federal Communications Commission FCC 12-152

section reimburse one-seventh of the eligible expenses incurred by Sprint.

(a) To the extent that H Block licenses awarded in the first auction for this spectrum cover, collectively, at

least forty (40) percent of the nation’s population, the amount owed to Sprint by the winning bidder of

each individual H Block license awarded in the first auction will be determined by dividing the gross

winning bid (“GWB”) for each individual H Block license (i.e., an Economic Area (EA)) by the sum of

the gross winning bids for all H Block licenses awarded in the first auction, and then multiplying by

$94,875,516.

Except as provided in paragraphs ( and ©, an AWS licensee that obtains a license for a market not

awarded in the first H Block auction will not have a reimbursement obligation to Sprint.

( The Commission imposes payment obligations on bidders that withdraw provisionally winning bids

during the course of an auction, on those that default on payments due after an auction closes, and on

those that are disqualified. See 47 CFR 1.2110(f)(2)(i). In the first auction, a winning bidder of an EA

license that is not awarded a license for any reason will be deemed to have triggered a reimbursement

obligation to Sprint that will be paid to Sprint by the licensee acquiring the EA license at reauction. The

amount owed to Sprint by the licensee acquiring the EA license at reauction will be based on the gross

winning bid for the EA license in the first auction. Accordingly, an applicant at reauction will know with

certainty the reimbursement obligation it will owe for each EA license subject to this paragraph (.

© To the extent that H Block licenses awarded in the first auction for this spectrum cover, collectively,

less than forty (40) percent of the nation’s population, then the amount owed to Sprint shall be more

equitably dispersed across all EA licenses based on the relative population of the EA to the population of

the United States. Specifically, the amount that the licensee of an individual H Block license must

reimburse Sprint shall be calculated by dividing the population of the individual EA by the total U.S.

population, and then multiplying by $94,875,516.

RN =

EA GWB

Sum of GWBs

( ) x $94,875,516

That's very interesting.

So can this be nationally bid on, or only by economic area?

I'm so in need of an S4GRU analysis of this, but I'll do my best to understand the pdf in the mean time. Excellent find as usual!

So how long before we get some 2.5ghz phones?

I think there are times when they can install new with 4g before they are ready to replace existing coverage in a market. With replacement you have potentially disrupted service.

It's just contract negotiations. Both sides are fighting for their interests. I believe that NY times article showed the valid points of why Sprint has the stronger argument for a lower price.

I don't see Sprint visiting every site again, except if they have to do a visit to turn on LTE-800 as I've heard chatted about around here they will have to. I think some of these sites wont see another upgrade after network vision for a very long time. And frankly they probably wont need it.

Ya the one in Brooklyn Center is most likely just the one they were connected to in Fridley. Not inconceivable.

I can tell you guys there's some 4G in Oak Grove.. Oak Grove is north of Coon Rapids and Andover.. I know someone who has the Optimus G and she got 4G in that area.

Great news! Can't wait to see it show up on Sensorly!

I could see them hosting the AWS spectrum, but putting up another new RRU for 6Mhz of 700, I'm not so confident. I actually, long term, see Sprint hosting and then buying the AWS spectrum.

Would our phones be able to use the H block spectrum?

No current phones can use the H block spectrum. A new 3gpp band would need to be created and then devices after that could support it. We are a couple years away from phones that will work on 'H'.