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Exactly. This is a commonly misunderstood point. VoLTE tower spacing is significantly tighter on the same frequency as 1x. VoLTE is only good to approximately -93dBm RSSI, whereas 1x voice can be used to roughly -103dBm. 10dBm is huge and represents a lot of coverage difference.

 

Sprint would have to run VoLTE on LTE 800 just to get in the ballpark of CDMA 1900 coverage. And then it would be nowhere near as good as 1x is on 800.

 

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When you put it that way, it seems like VoLTE isn't even worth it if 1x would have much greater coverage. If thats the case Sprint should stick with HD Voice over 1x. But maybe I am wrong. What are the benefits that VoLTE would provide over using HD Voice on 1x?

Robert has posted this same thing pretty much and I wholeheartedly agree with it. Its possible there might be a loss of some power user/tech savvy types who are far more worried about their Speedtest epeen size, but those would be in the small to mid single digit percentage minority at best...and I could envision the possibility that some of those minute losses very possibly could encompass some of the worst 'abusive' types mentioned previously as well.

 

Most people just want their phone to work consistently, bottom line....and as long as that happens with little to no interruption or latency issues they're going to be perfectly happy.

Heck, if those abusers leave and start clogging other carrier's networks it might just even out the playing field. Faster data for us and slower data on the competition.

It's simple actually. The shrimp supply of a restaurant is limited meaning they don't have an endless supply of shrimp in the kitchen. One important difference between data and food is that food is a physical object...data/bandwith ( in the context of this thread) is a measurement. While not likely...If I am the only customer in the restaurant I can potentially eat every pieces shrimp in the restaurant ( it might take me a while). If I'm the only customer on the network there's no way that I can use up every piece of data since data is a measurement and not a physical object. Being a measurement data can't be finite... unless of course numbers are finite which everyone knows is not the case.

 

As far as time goes...it has nothing to do with anything. I can set my phone to sync my e-mail every 30 minutes and that still happens even when I'm sleeping and not physically using my phone.

 

Again... In the context of this thread data is a measurement whatever you eat at a buffet is physical and therefore not unlimited.

 

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Your comparison isn't very accurate because you eating all the shrimp at a single restaurant is no where near proportional to you as 1 customer using the capacity of data on an entire network that is designed to support millions. A more accurate comparison would be you being able to eat all the food at every McDonalds in the country.

Also Just because data as a measurement is infinite does not mean that the rate at which it able to be transmitted is as well, in this case those limits being spectrum and backhaul. You can only pass so much information though a certain amount of spectrum and though the cables that connect the network to the internet. Therefore the amount of data that can be handled by the network is indeed finite.

I don't know if this is the place for this, But I hope it might help.

I have decided to drop sprint after almost 25 years (I came with the primco accquisition). Why? The kicker was data speed. I am willing to pay for LTE now that I can use everywhere I go (including indoors). I believe it will be 2 Yrs before 800 LTE bands are up in my area. Also Sprint is tightening their belts... Discounts that used to encompass my whole bill now they won't even apply to my complete family plan (they unbundle my wife from the $129 plan to save the $4 in discount on her $20 service.)

 

Sprint will lose customers if LTE is much slower than the competition. They will have to respond to remain viable. Expect crackdowns on data hogs once LTE is up and running. I hear the other side (I paid for it.. I should be able to use it), But this comes down to holding you to what you agreed to. If you use the system for other devices without a tethering plan, you are an abuser.

Hopefully they will go after those abusers who really impact the system and not scrap the unlimited plan.

I don't think Sprint will lose customers just because their LTE won't hit 30 mbps like AT&T or VZW. To be honest people don't need that kind of speed on their phones. The advertised 6-8 should be MORE than enough to do anything on your phone. Heck in my opinion even 1-2mbps 3G is enough to do pretty good web browsing and watching Youtube videos. As long as customers get a good experience they will be happy. They aren't going to be like "My LTE is only 10 mbps and that guy is getting 15. I'm leaving Sprint!" That would just be foolish.

So it's my understanding that Sprint is sticking with 1x Advanced for calling due to the fact that it's more efficient than LTE. This will have some interesting implications with pretty much every other carrier moving to VoLTE. Are any other carriers using 1x Advanced? How will this impact their roaming agreement with Verizon? I suppose Verizon will have their 1x running for quite a while yet even once they start using VoLTE.

 

EDIT - Also, we can assume at some point Sprint will start using VoLTE, no?

I don't think i've heard of any other US Carriers using 1x Advanced right now. But if networks have been so well off until now using solely CDMA 1x, then moving over the the Advanced should make their network that much more capable. But if there is one thing that I'm a bit skeptical about with VoLTE would be the potential for drastically reduced talk times due to LTE being much more power hungry than CDMA 1x Advanced.

Does anyone know how VoLTE would impact battery life?

Update, yup, it's definitely sprint nv. Radios are in place behind the panels. Actually passed a truck with sprint logos on 30 while staring at the panels. Happy to see them in town!

You were driving down route 30 while staring at a water tower? That's not very safe... but whatever, network vision is underway in York, PA!!!! I can't wait! Shouldn't take long either because York isn't very large so there are probably only a couple dozen towers in the entire city.

Yeah, I have it switched to LTE/CDMA. I wonder if I need an update.

Try updating your PRL and profile, that was how I was able to connect when I went down to Baltimore.

It actually allowed me to add it on my Gnex(have the promo $10 google gave for free) but I only got the google prepaid card, havent tried a personal one

 

Just don't know what kind of places accept NFC google wallet

only NFC terminals I've seen, have been at Walgreens. I actually spent $6 of the $10 on the Google card at some vending machines in Orlando during the summer, coolest thing ever!

 

haven't been able to add a personal card, which does work for purchasing from the Play Store, I just may end up calling their 800 number and see if they can help,

Yeah I have the $10 google gave for free but once I try to add a personal card it wont let me.

 

Some places that have NFC are Champs, JC Penny and Walgreens. Those are the ones I remember from the top of my head. Im sure there are a lot more!

 

 

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I'm not sure if they do in PR but Wendy's does as well.

i heard the locals just call it the beach. um. ok, dead horse.

Completely irrelevant but... has anyone ever told you that you look like Kevin Millar?

I saw engineers working on the tower on Route 22 (Walnut St) in Harrisburg across from the Sprint (Shentel) Store. Looked like they might be working on some NV! I'll try and take pics today if they are still there. Was in a rush or else I would've gone over and asked them some questions. But they were definitely working on the tower.

You are doing us a great service my friend. I'm keeping an eye out but I haven't seen anything in York yet.

Sweet! Its nice to see Puerto Rico getting some early love with network vision. Now service won't be so bad when I go over there in the future. When I went this past summer, service was not very good but my location may have played a big part of that.

More moved up in this weeks update than were pushed back. The current production rate completion date takes the number of sites complete in the past few weeks, takes that rate of completion and divides it over the entire amount of sites remaining in the market. So this date will bounce around a lot if deployment speeds up or slows down in a market.

 

The anticipated launch date is our guesstimate of when Sprint will cross the threshold of enough completed sites that they will launch the market. It doesn't bounce around like the final completion date basedbon current production rate.

 

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That makes sense. I thought they were transitioning to deploying Network Vision across the entire country, that way people start seeing those benefits around the entire country and it would also eliminate the need to move forward as much with the band-aid fixes because Network Vision would cover those needs.

Hey Robert,

I noticed that a lot of the Anticipated completion dates on a lot of cities are getting pushed waaayy back like NYC to August 2014.

Do you think Sprint is just falling that much behind? To me it seems like a change in their deployment strategy.

Maybe they are spreading the contractors all over the country as opposed to focusing on maybe 10 or 15 markets at a time.

 

 

CDMA 1900 can travel up to 20% farther on sites where downtilt is minimal on a post Network Vision site. We cannot compare the increase on 800 because there is no legacy 800 service.

 

However, CDMA 800 can be up to 50% further coverage from legacy 1900. However, it is dependent on downtilt variability at each site.

 

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Wow I didn't know the increase would be that dramatic going from legacy 1900 to NV 1900.

I have seen some numbers such as a 10% increase in signal strength but I didn't know it would result in a 20% increase in the distance the signal could travel.

I learn something new everyday on this website.

And thanks for responding in such a timely fashion.

With additional signal strength that will be experienced due to the new equipment and RRU's on the towers, how much farther would the signal travel compared to Sprint's current coverage? (With both 800 and 1900mhz)

 

 

I'm sorry, but I thought that was supposed to be PART OF NV? Or are they so stupid they would like to keep paying people to go back to the same site over and over again, instead of doing it in one shot? Kind of like their "band-aid" fixes. Please tell me why they are adding T-1 lines, only to be ripping them out when NV comes in a few months (years? decades?)

 

Same crap today on 4099, 4098, and 4097. Good in the morning, <200kbps during the day, and back to good when everyone went home. I'm not going to call and complain, because its not like me calling is actually going to make them add a carrier card. This is the last chance I (and many others) are giving them, they can get NV right or they will lose me as a customer. I was so happy when I saw the new antennas, but man did they let me down. So far, I'm not impressed with "Network Vision"...

Well you also can take into account that the tower you are connected to is the only one in that area that has been upgraded so that tower has to take on all the connections by itself, once they surround that tower with other network visión towers they will be able to better distribute the bandwidth between the towers and you will see better speeds... I hope.

Does it fix the multitasking?

By the way I just downloaded it, and the answer's heck yeah!!

Does it fix the multitasking?

Network.sprint.com does not display network vision updates.

Ok so it's 11 days after Robert/S4GRU Admin posted this thread with the tantalizing info Baltimore would see its LTE towers turned on in "a week or so". I'm not seeing any improvement/change yet.

 

Does the interactive map tell you what towers have been turned on? If anything 3G has gotten worse in MD this last year. I used to draw around 700-900kbps, but now I average in the 200-300kbps range (if I'm lucky). My T-Mo play phone is running rings around Sprint. (1.2mbps at the beach vs. Sprint's pathetic 100-200kbps.) It's downright embarrassing.

Well I drove by one of the new Network vision towers at the edge of Maryland, just north of Manchester, MD and I consistently got between 2 - 2.3 mbps and Pings between 87 and 94ms.

I can't wait for that to go nationwide. Sprint's network is going to be awesome!!!

Maybe they're doing all these things at once.

If Network Vision is going to save Sprint as much money as they say it will, then they should be able to maintain unlimited data for many more years to come! =)

I think I said this in another thread, but Ericsson will likely have more cities than the other NV partners in the first round. They have been managing Sprint's network for a few years now and know the ins and out of their customer very well now. They also were a big part of the planning of NV early on. So my guess is Ericsson will have double the cities in the first round.

 

However, by the second half of the year, I bet Samsung and A/L get up to speed really quickly and meet Ericsson deployment speeds. In a lot of ways, this going to be a competition. It was a very good move to have three firms handling deployment. Breaking it into 4, would have been even better. But I don't think Sprint could handle Network Vision being deployed any faster than it already is. It would be a major cash flow crunch and very difficult to fund.

Yea and on top of that, the multimodal equipment is made by Ericsson so they are also more familiar with it than Samsung and Alcatel Lucent.