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I love how they put one 4G site in the heart of the small town of Georgetown SC and mark it as a new LTE market lol.. Funny stuff...

Beat me to the punch!

Neat! I was unaware of these being in service. I honestly figured something like this was used mostly locally, maybe public-private for service in underserved areas or some such. Simple assumption is all. This is really cool. Thanks for the info guys, I am totally looking forward to finding more some day.

This is an interesting question! May I ask what region you are in?

I would like to research this topic more as well. I see that Juni made a WiMAX repeater, they make enterprise and home versions. I wonder if this is a company along the lines of Wilson or similar products? Sweet, if nothing else mrjeff you piqued my interest in the 'what happens between macros' type cell technology, again. I would like to learn how this and other technologies are used to supplement service on a wider scale, what areas, and how it is implemented. While home use is always handy and all that, I would like to see or hear the bigger companies i.e. Sprint usage for these.

I must also admit I would like to see one in action and maybe add some to my epic picture collection. I have an itch for unique technologies that are not widespread or in the open, or that help serve people in hard to reach geographical places. This is just a sweet topic I would like to see more of. To the internets! 

(For reference)
http://juniamerica.com/

/My poor homework is gonna punch me right in the Sunday evening, good thing it is just probowl tomorrow

Sounds good! thanks for your help Mike, and great job with all of this app magic, arithmeticetry and such, keep kicking butt.

If you are trying to decipher a way to identify sites on the Sponsor maps from SignalCheck data.. there does not seem to be a correlation. In markets where the BSL is offset, there isn't much you can do without figuring it out by driving around the sites. However, you have noticed something about the sectors in that I recently learned myself; when looking at it in hex, the third digit from the right indicates the sector in some Sprint markets (in many/most Sprint markets, it's the right-most digit). I have already implemented new options in the app to select which sector "style" you would like the app to show as a Site Hint.

 

Someone with some significant research experience in the field also passed along some information about 1X and LTE site IDs correlating with each other; it's proven true on Verizon, but I have not figured out if Sprint does something similar. Given a specific GCI, you can calculate the 1X BID that is on the same sector. Or, given a 1X BID and LTE TAC, you can determine the GCI. Again, this has only been confirmed for Verizon, but maybe there is something similar for Sprint.

 

While there is no clear-cut "which site is BID 12345" answer yet, I finally have some logging and mapping features working, which will help make it easier to figure this stuff out. I have made a lot of progress on it this week, but it still needs some work.

 

-Mike

Ok just checking to make sure if I was just failing miserably worse at math then I usually am. Also, would it help if I logged some of these for you and sent them with what I believe is the corresponding site ID? If so I would be glad to get what I can. Glad to hear also I am not the only one trying. Another question, are these updates and/or the site style site hint already on your app or in the works? just want to make sure I am not missing any tools I can utilize that are already under my nose.

Thank you!

Mike,

I have a question, I have tried to figure it out myself for a while but I just can't seem to grasp it. The Base ID# I get that it shows up as decimal, then hexidecimal afterword in parenthesis. I just am unable to figure out the formula to figure out exactly which sector or site for that matter I am connected to. This would of course give me some more certainty as to where I am latched to signal wise. GPS offsets and all that being what they are, I am kind of lacking on a couple sites I believe I am hooked up too. I have done a couple laps around a couple close sites and notice that the second number jumps in the hexidecimal by 1 as I change sectors.

Seriously, this has been the one question I have been just flummoxed with, I am possibly now able to see when I am on a site as I count sectors jumping, but really no clue as to how to get certainty. Example of one here in Myrtle as I went around the site, 4359 (x1107), 4615 (x1207), 4871 (x1307). Having this obviously would help a lot in my epic spotting adventures that I now occupy my weekends doing, and maybe give me a leg up in my EE classes I just started (I owe s4gru for getting me off my ass from enthusiast to student) Thanks in advance!

My $300 2009 Toshiba laptop is still rockin'. Even missing a corner from a unfortunate collision with the floor after jumping from the table. Still has the original electrical tape I used to patch it up in 2010. Whatever labor camp this thing came from, they sure know how to assemble a tough bunch of cheap parts! Like the gentleman above said, this is the exception to the rule, yet I have a home brew I built for a phenominal amount of money, and the motherboard is failing on many fronts so go figure. That said, I also have the Nexus 7 and I can attest to it's value and durability.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-35284_1-57616761/how-i-got-t-mobiles-ceo-kicked-out-of-at-ts-ces-party/

Roger Cheng @cnet appears to have had the most fun out of this, it kind of wrote the story for him I guess, so there is that. Also, just noticed the extra title Q, that is gonna drive some people nuts today. Top lel.

When they do people will knock down walls to get it!

Yes What I thought, but it is a band class In south/rest of North america. Thought possibly a mistake or software error

'Murica 

http://www.zact.com/education

I have never seen it before, but looks neat, customizable. Interesting feature to find on your hardware, good find!

Nextel actually fits the old Clear stuff, because a fair chunk of the BRS spectrum used for TD-LTE was actually Nextel's to begin with. And was used in the Research Triangle (here we go again) for Flash-OFDM (Flarion -> Qualcomm -> dead) which at the time was pretty awesome, providing HSPA-class speeds in 2005 or so, back when EvDO rA wasn't out then.

 

I was patiently hoping you would chime in on this one sir. You always post some cool knowledge a lot of us had no idea about. Such as Flarion for example. As well as cool bits of information about how these airwaves have been spread around and used over the years.

I am very excited as well for the reasons you stated, especially the fact this is a great way to get so many folks who do not have any choices for connectivity. This is a great utilization of what is a large swath of spectrum that has mostly sat, from what I can tell, under used at best. As you stated it need not be a top speed bandwidth option, but will be highly usable and a comparative to many other mainstream options available today, and would most likely just take a dedicated carrier or two in the massive real estate that is band 41.

Plus the fact that mobile cards and hotspots are more reliable and efficient technologically then 6-7 years ago goes a ways to lighten the burden. I imagine the ability to add MIMO drives up the strength of a solid connection. Thus essentially being less drag on a cell sector than say a person with a handset indoors with a lot of interference, requiring more power for that connection, correct? please confirm or correct that if you get a chance, but I believe the work required to maintain weak reception is a heavier load than a couple power users, if I have been studying correctly. 

I believe if this gets off the ground well with the fixed antennae and other higher powered connections available, this may also enable us to get an edge on better options for handset antennae as well. I know the industry is moving more towards capacity now as we see spectrum acquisitions expand and become more expensive, and millions of more devices come online for example, it becomes essential to find efficiencies such as power and reuse. I believe this serves as a jumping board for that in developing better, more capable radios.

I see this as an excellent collaboration opportunity for Sprint to get ahead of the curve in a business sense with other companies, say to wring out savings(Dish install partnership) or just get some of this stuff in that shiny new lab they built and get it to the people. As well as maximizing under utilized radio waves, a great chance to offer broadband to under served and monopolized areas of the country wired operators have no initiative or motivation to serve. Also, this gives Sprint a chance to use that name recognition to sell a unique business option if executed nationwide, as getting a data spot is generally atrociously priced on a per bit basis, but can come through in the clutch for many different professions when you need internet now, wherever you are. The Nextel brand could do that.

All of this could be done with the seeds they are planting, getting the better antennae out of the lab to devices, making sound business partners, making a good profit off of users who will gladly pay for dependable service, bringing wireless broadband to so many new areas and folks who want or need it, bringing online new technologies that promise bigger, better, and faster wireless speeds, more streamlined network usage. Before other users scream and climb the walls at the thought with' zomg there goes unlimited data you guis ruined it!!!111 run to tha hillz'  they can do all this and it won't be a giant drag on the network with such a great spectrum position and the new 8t8r systems, as well as the excellent new network management technologies coming out, and policies they are putting in place.

These things are achievable if a smart team at a company executes them well, and plans accordingly. I would ask those who don't think it possible, why would you not want a company to pioneer new technologies to bring better access, faster throughput, and the best speeds? That is kind of limiting yourself right out of the gate, which I don't subscribe too. Every time a neat opportunity like this comes around it will naturally have naysayers, and it will have the people that make it possible. Sure hope all of this new spectrum, re branding, and innovation sure works out for Sprint. I find this very, very exciting.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/31/sprint-nextel-freedom/

Am I the only one here who is gonna check the original artcle and freak out because we have not addressed the return of unlimited hotspots and speed based premium pricing tiers?!?! Awesome news! Time to monetize and utilize that mountain of of recently acquired spectrum.

I pose a theory that whatever channel the tower was broadcasting in, was simply full. There may have been only one channel for tx at a time in the network at the tower. The phone for whatever reason, was constantly feeding into that channel and that smoked the server for anyone else trying to get in. I am in no way certain of this, yet I am very intrigued. 

Maybe kinda like this, the 99 version of DOS?

Again, it was 99, so I would also suggest this may have been simple ping flooding. Due to possible roaming attempts to connect and incompatibility, or simply a glitch in the phone. Would need some more specifics, but these are some what ifs of course. 



Wonder I will, this should be cool to see broken down. 

The lease is just to broadcast over said airwaves, the airlink matters little.

As long as it covers the same or more people they will maintain the floor of pops covered for use in BRS. EBS is a lease from the current license holders, so I imagine they have no essential use it or lose it time/coverage stipulation unless this is spelled out in that lease. They could simply use LTE instead. It is a more stable, and as in the name longer term technology. Fazing out Wimax to free these airwaves is the best utilization for future capacity, speed, and growth.

Unless, again, of course this lease stipulates a certain technology to support a license holder as well. I.e. Sprint gets to use the license if they provide a carrier to a university or institution, but better to just upgrade that carrier. So I sure see it as being phased out. Sooner the better, as the company has stated they will.

Just donated before this post for premier :-p 

Oh snap, that was quick! Welcome to the premier dome, if you like tech, your gonna love it in there.

 Glad you like it! We have quite a few folks from NYC that post regularly, with tons of great info and experiences to share. Tons of question and answers, especially the new Nexus 5, as many here are enthusiasts for the best, latest technology. Peruse the relevant threads and see what you can find. If you like the knowledge you get to pick up, think about dropping a few bucks to donate and become a Sponsor. You get updates very regularly, and have access to the sites and NV rollout progress. You will probably benefit most from the 800MHz rollout that is starting this month, your phone is able to access both LTE and Voice on that frequency, also, when you are out and about, you may be able to catch some band 41 LTE, being in NYC it is already in a few spots and is so far pretty dang speedy from what folks here have recorded. (Hint; Premier sponsors get to see some cooler stuff relating to the differing frequencies, rollout if you decide you like that stuff) Feel free to ask any questions, or look through the older posts to pick up some good info, glad you like it!

  Glad you like it here. It is a great resource for knowledge, and has taken up so much of my interest as well. Check out the markets that you frequent, and you will be able to collaborate with others in mapping, watching progress, sharing q & a, and getting to know the equipment from base station to handset. I can't say enough how cool it is here, and all that I learn from a group of knowledgeable people. I am not one who is to familiar with it, but if you check out our progress in the Myrtle Beach thread you will see I have no bones about tracking down sites for pictures, industry crews and workers for knowledge, trolling store associates, and much more. Have a question? feel free to ask in a relevant thread or start one that will attract an answer. I like that you can come here and have a free exchange of thoughts and ideas about the technology, and get so much out, as well as the seeing the rewards of the efforts put in as an enthusiast shared with others. Good times mate.

Clear has a bit of a problem...

Woah, that should come with an epilepsy warning! That was intense! May I ask what exactly is happening, or what is causing all this ruckus? I assume that is a security alarm possibly? Regardless that thing was wicked.

Would either of the two smaller panels be for wimax? The one just to the right of the far left NV equipment is gone now

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgms72wp5uag4us/20130703_124900.jpg

I hope that is a contractor and not a jumper!

There are tons of these in many markets, I have seen about 10 just around the city I live, all different carriers. They sometimes take a few moments to actually notice what they are, which points to them working as a camouflage if you will, very well.

I was back to good around 9 or 10pm. Even grabbed some wimax through Conway. 

My device has been cycling through 1xrtt, then roaming, then back. No data, tried AP mode, same. Turned it off to charge, glad I am not the only one. In Myrtle Beach, SC.

I was actually about to ask this same question.   I'm kind of looking for something along the lines you describe as well. Just curious where to start looking. My area does not offer a lot in the way of training options, so any input on where to start would be great!

From what I see here, just band 25 is included. Thanks TS for the link.

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2063524