EvoMania

hhmmm. something to keep an eye on.

Been AWOL for a while but once again drawn to the site for the invaluabe info. Dontated again but this time I will be doing so on a monthly basis. Hope it helps!

I don't think that HTC wants to jump into phablet territory just yet. That part of the market has seen some growth, but I think that 4.7 to 5 inch screens are the sweet spot in that a man or a woman could easily pocket it even while wearing those dreaded skinny jeans.

Hey....I wear skinny jeans.

It doesn't seem like that big of a jump and if it doesnt support at least 800 LTE than its an auto no buy.

This is why I haven't updated my device yet. Once they release another update I will upgrade.

CDMA1X does not require great signal strength. Remember, it is using the full 1.25 MHz channel bandwidth to deliver a voice signal that averages about 5-6 kbps.

 

AJ

Thanks but I was already somewhat aware that 1x works well at low signals. I should have said been more precise with my question. I want to know how he is able to get great data speeds with such a low signal. In my experience, having a signal of -100+ is almost always handcuffed to dismal or decent speeds not 1mbps+

I get a -102dBm EVDO/1x signal in my work office and I will get pings of 90-120ms and 1.2Mbps speeds. And my phone calls are crisp and clear. Low signal does not always equal low performance.

 

Robert via Samsung Note II via Tapatalk

What offsets that low signal? Is it low noise and the quality of the signal even though its a low signal? Can you explain in depth?

The idea is to scare people who thought of sharing their connection with a neighbor to save money, Nothing more.

 

Sharing your connection is probably a bad idea for many reasons, it causes tension between those who share it over who gets the equipment, who gets bandwidth priority, who sets it up, telling the one or the other to call CS when there's a problem, diagnosing internal (sharing equipment) network problems, and a whole other slew of sharing issues.

 

Sure you can do it, the providers don't like it and discourage it to get more money but ultimately it's a bad idea anyway fraught with many more points of failure and more chances to create problems.

Your really really really overthinking it. I don't think it would be anywhere near that complicated. The common person would have no idea about half of the things you just said and I don't find downtime on routers to be a major problem. I've had to reset my router maybe a few times since having it. However, I personally prefer my own service due to the high speeds I buy and the amount of banthwidth I could use in a month. I just love having 25mbps+ speeds.

On another note, its ok for someone to come to your house and use your internet right? What if they come everyday and use it. Wouldn't that be the same as providing them with internet even though they don't pay for it. My question isn't personally directed at you lynyrd65 in case you got the wrong idea.

All of the above..............more than likely haha

Well, Verizon is the standard for under promising and over delivering.

 

It was an interesting choice that they decided not to go with RRU's. It seems like they don't need the extra coverage and don't want the extra capex/opex.

 

I think the true test for Verizon (which they nailed with EVDO, relatively speaking) is to see how they add capacity as load increases.

 

Their first step was coverage, second step will be adding capacity.

 

It truly is amazing to see VZN LTE speeds take a dive though. But, as you say many many times, the average customer doesn't care about 3mbit or 30mbit... they just want it to work wherever they are - and for that, verizon scores points.

I almost feel sorry for Verizon customers. It almost seems as if their speeds will slow to a crawl but Verizon can at least increase capacity by coverting more towers. Even if it doesn't have a long term solution.

Yeah I'm getting at least 20mb outside on the westside of Chicago and 10 inside the crib lol.

 

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haha Inside the crib. I guess you mean either the loop or your house. Seriously though I wish NV was nearly complete in my market.

The LTE sites yes even the the 10x10 Verizon ones can get over loaded. There is a tower near my area that got hit by sub 500kbs down/up. No I did not use a lot of data and yes after going back home I got way better speeds. AT&T 3G/"fake 4G"/HSPA+ was getting about 3mbs down and 1mbs up in the same spot. ( They had a AT&T wifi hotspot too, so that could be why.) I used to think LTE would never really get so slow due to high useage, well it does and it will. I don't even live in NYC and I am seeing issues like this come up more and more. I am glad to be moving into the sticks soon with a LTE tower near by to give me 25+ down and 20+ up. That won't likely go down any time soon, because we are talking about guys with 2-10 acres. If you call BS on this who think VZ is all that here is a video:

Whats the background song? Makes the video seems a bit ominous to me but I can hardly believe that is happening with a strong LTE signal. Verizon needs more carriers and it needs them now.

Merry Christmas to all!

I'm just saying people are not tethering as often as you think. Why keep attacking me rather than educating and providing links to all this research you keep talking about?

How could you possible know it not as much as I think. What indication did I give you that could possibly give you an idea of how much unauthorized tethering I believe is going on. I also didn't attack you by the way. If you say something that isn't true, I have the right to say otherwise.

I tried "educating" you. I told exactly why your misconceptions were wrong and gave an explanation of how and why it affects the network.

When did I say people would want to tether more? I've been saying the entire opposite this entire time. Also. just because something is my opinion does not make it more right or wrong than anything you've said. You state things as fact yet are able to provide no sources to back it up. You talk like you know what you are talking about but the truth is your statements are actually just an opinion just like mine.

No, I know exactly what am talking about. I don't need to cite a source to prove the moon isn't made of cheese. Its common sense in the RF world. Once again you call on me to show you proof when you continue to make up your own "proof". ATT, Verizon, and Sprint all have publicly complained about the abuse of their network by abusive users such as those who tether without authorization. This is common knowledge among the educated masses in wireless tech dealing with cell networks. You are simply ignorant of cell network infrastructure and the effects abusive tethering.

It is a fact that even one person using up a lot of bandwidth in one sector can severely degrade performance. The facts are cited all over this forum in many threads. I don't have time to refute to you things that are commonly known. I'm sorry you are under educated in RF and wireless technology. You are just plain wrong, and living in a fantasy world. You just want to be right.

 

Robert

Robert its over. When this guy just start denying facts there is no way we can win. To him tethering simply doesn't do anything to degrade network experience. Why it doesn't when all the facts(and common sense) say otherwise? Who knows? but apparently I have no idea what am talking about. I will say am not the one questioning the research a multi-billion dollar company with " internet posts".

It is just my opinion and I have yet to see any proof to say I'm wrong...can you source att's research?

 

The fact is that in 2011, the top 5% of users on att and verizon used on average less than 4GB / month , while the mean was around 3GB / month.

 

Maybe if everyone had there phone as an always on permanent internet connection replacing cable or dsl in there homes, constantanty connected to all the computers and xbox's in the house,..but I just don't see that happening very often.

 

I suspect that tethering is not done as often as we all think, and that it is done less and less each day. I'd also hypothesize that high bandwidth apps on phones are causing greater stress on Sprint's network than tethering today and they are more of what Sprint is concerned about than tethering. In fact - every post I've seen on the internet with someone using 30GB+ a month of data has stated they done so by streaming netflix/youtube/radio all day or downloading torrents all day through there phone..not yet by tethering.

 

If anything, Sprint should really raise all of our prices as the data connection on our phones is even more valuable and we can now do more through it than ever before.

lol am sorry to laugh at you but your arguments are becoming comical. You admit your argument has no validity by saying its nothing more than your opinion. THEN, you go own to add even more unproven or fact based data based on your OPINION. You try to use reverse logic as if it makes sense. I could say their are other infinitely small universes inside my bowl of cereal this morning they are just to small to see. No one has proved me wrong otherwise so I must be right. However, thru all of that I think one of the funniest thing about your post is the fact that you say tethering is done less and less. Maybe you should go back to page 3 and 2 when YOU yourself say that as the capabilities of phones increase people will want to tether MORE.

But here is another thing to think about. Sprint is obviously not in a position to charge as much as the big 2 which is why the have unlimited now as a market strategy. Do you think if they could really afford to allow phones to tether an unlimited amount without network performance issues, wouldn't they do so? This would be a major marketing point just behind unlimited data.

Am sorry to tell you this but tethering is a problem for Sprint otherwise like Robert said they wouldn't be addressing it and trying to stop it.

AT&T has agenda and has said lots of things that have been debunked. Tethering may be a problem (I still don't believe it), but we are starting to live in a postPC world. Our smartphones are almost capable of completely replacing the PC for many people. Everything you can do that might abuse the network can now be done on a smartphone. People can torrent from there cell phone, they watch videos, they can download large files. Really, there are very few reasons why anyone really needs to tether anymore.

 

You can block tethering but it will only lead people to doing the things they'd do from there PC to do them on computer. How many of us post on SG4U from our smartphones today vs what it would of been three years ago? In the end I think we'll see unlimited go away unless carriers start putting further restrictions on what kind of Apps we can use with unlimited.

How can you say you don't believe it yet don't have any proof? Whereas att has done research and has the data to back it up. You do understand that the people using unauthorized are more likely to be using it as a home ISP. What part of someone using over 30 GB(a very conservative estimate) not effect network performance and degrade data service do you not understand?

Super bad typos on my part. When I read I post I made I sometime read what I thought I wrote.

 

I don't know the rules for hacking/modding/programming a phone but it sure seems like messing with the PRL would be a big no no. Turning on a band Sprint has not yet on the phone even more so. I know people do it, even forcing roaming. I always thought that was something you could get into big trouble doing. I guess not. So PRL modding is ok with Sprint and the FCC?

I don't think they would give exactly roll out the red carpet for people to change it but its not like its a criminal offense. Am sure there may even be something in the tos against it.

Sprint needs to crack down on these folks hard. Flat out block then and sent them to the page to purchase a tethering plan.

 

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I support charging them per the MB when it is found. They could be the reason for the death of our unlimited plans. Sprints should also just plain end their service against the infringes.

And those people who support it are wrong. Authorized tethering comes with caps. They can use their data for whatever they want to up to their cap. Unauthorized tethering is not allowed and invites abuse of the network which will reduce performance for everyone.

 

Sprint is counting it can support smartphone unlimited data, but they cannot support unlimited tethering.

 

Robert via Samsung Note II via Tapatalk

Of course am still right on that front. They are indeed pests.

You don't know me so who are you to know if this is my viewpoint or not? When did I agree? Tethering is actually part of my plan so I'm not breaking the rules.

 

I'm explaining to you what many people think...you may not agree with it and you may be perfectly right but it doesn't change how people think. Also, the NN debate also covers what you said and much much more.

 

http://arstechnica.c...tethering-apps/

http://www.muninetwo...work-neutrality

I have to apologize( for saying you agree). I can get pretty combative at times. I reread your post with a clear mind and noticed that you didn't support it but just gave an explanation on why some people do.

I'm going to wait it out until end of January, then move if I don't hear anything positive by then. The Nexus 4 is sold out till then anyway. I'm pretty fed up with Sprint's service at this point, which is saying a lot since I'm a 10+ year Sprint customer.

I can tell you now that not much, if any work, will be done in your market by the end of January if they haven't already started. Don't worry though because as you know the improvements are coming.

ok folks...actually the information i base my thoughts about sprintlink isn't hard to find and you don't need insider access. The same goes for vz and att backbone as well. If you folks want to mock me(along with the site admin) go for it..you just make yourselves look uneducated. This isn't positive thinking but thoughts from years of reading and research. No insider access is needed. I know i don't know any legalities involved on the backend...otherwise do some research instead of mocking somebody who already has.

Robert didnt mock you in anyway. Plus, how can you tell someone to do some research when you yourself admit your lack thereof and own ignorance. You shouldn't become angry when someone points out a blatantly bad idea.

Any new updates on Hawaii or Honolulu? I notice we've been left out of the third round updates list. Is this list complete? Is there a fourth round?

 

Sorry to be a pain, but I'm getting really fed up with the poor Sprint service in Hawaii. Speeds have really degraded in recent months - I rarely get > 300kbps on my Evo LTE. I'm seriously considering moving to T-Mo on a Straight Talk month to month until Sprint actually launches here.

Then you should actually consider doing so, if sprint cannot currently meet your needs. Since you have the EVO LTE, I assume you signed up for a contract. You should suspend your account and use another carrier until sprints start updating towers in your market. Remember a launch date means nothing as far as coverage it is simply a public announcement.