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My point was that he said he doesn't have an issue with TMo ignoring Windows Mobile, yet he spends the next 2-3 paragraphs outlining why he does have an issue with it...

That is not true. I'll say this one more time for you, then that is it...

 

My problem with T-Mobile in what they are doing with Digits is not, again NOT that they are not supporting Windows Lumia by not having an app for it. I completely support that. T-Mobile doesn't have an app for T-MobileTuesdays either, yet I'm not complaining about that either, nor at least up until now have you even accused me of that.

 

I'll tell you what I AM complaining about, which I haven't even made a post about in a few days here, so quit accusing me of constantly complaining, The only person who was discussing it with me was Travis, and perhaps he disagrees with me, maybe not, but at least he seems satisfied I answered his questions as he hasn't had any further response to it. Only you are making a big deal of this.

 

Anyways, the problem I DO Have with T-Mobile of the Digits service, according to TmoNews, T-Mobile is not offering an alternative way to view the Digits service screen from any smartphone via a website, unlike T-MobileTuesdays, which allows anyone to view it on any device without an app. So again, I'm not complaining about T-Mobile not making an app for Windows Lumia, but restricting the viewing By Any Means on non-Android/iOS devices.

 

There is a clear difference between the two statements. T-Mobile could implement a website, as they do with T-MobileTuesdays. They could implement Digits into the MyT-Mobile app, which they actually have the MTM app available for Windows Lumia. So while you and some other people may not agree with me/be important to you, it is important to me and possibly other people with non-Android/iOS devices.

Hi red_dog,

 

The LG C6 got regular firmware updates from LG, though I can't say for sure about that regarding the other models.

 

I ended up not getting the A1E for reasons relating to the extended warranty not covering the possibility of the panel breaking from the kickstand. Its a very long story I'll summarize (I finally thought of that word I was struggling to remember a bit ago when writing another post).

 

An official Sony representative I talked with at Abt a few days ago, confirmed what other Abt employees were telling me about the A1E being "fragile" in the connections between the panel and the kickstand, and that it could break if I moved the television the way I planned to do with placing the television on my table. So now, I'm waiting for my mother to speak with someone about an arrangement I ought to find out more about later on. If that doesn't sound likely to happen, I'll get a new 2017 FALD tv set by TCL for this year, and keep it until next year when the 2018 OLED tvs are available.

 

At that point, I'll be able to see if the 2018 OLED tvs really have, or don't have, the image retention prevention/elimination technologies I've read about that say it will.

 

How would you plan to use the feature? With my Google voice integration, I primarily use it to text from my tablet and desktop using the Hangouts extension in chrome. With Google continually fragmenting their own messaging services with new apps I don't have any expectations the service will last past next year especially with Hangouts losing sms support completely.

 

It's my hope Google (and Microsoft for that matter) come up with a unified messaging platform that can work across devices using your account rather than specific carrier device similar to what Apple did with iMessage. That way we wouldn't have to rely on a carrier implementation feature like digits, or Google voice integration and it's adoption could be more widespread.

 

 

 

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Its true that the ecosystem of smartphones is primarily consisted of Android and iOS devices. I definitely do not blame T-Mobile for not having made a Digits app available for other operating systems, just that I don't believe they should not have some sort of other form of access to Digits through a website, or say putting a section up for it on MyT-Mobile. T-Mobile really doesn't need to have an app for it, same with T-Mobile Tuesdays, as they could just integrate it in MyT-Mobile that easily is available to everyone.

 

The reason I believe T-Mobile is doing this Digits service, is a way to keep relevancy beyond just being a carrier and device provider of other manufacturer's devices. Other carriers are trying to come up with their own stuff too, and I generally agree with others who say this stuff isn't really needed, and that carriers would be better off as a "dumb pipe", allowing a free flow of unlocked devices and services sold elsewhere through the marketplace.

 

My own reasons for wanting to use Digits, is so when my mother gets my Lumia device, she has full control over its use between that and the Lumia, so she can freely choose whether to bring the Lumia with her, or into places or not where she can use her same number on the smartwatch as on her phone, without having to get a different smartphone that has the same manufacturer as the watch with its own Digits-like feature to it.

And yet each of you starting with JossMan, posted something completely off-topic that had absolutely nothing to do with T-Mobile whatsoever, and wasn't even relating to something else connected with T-Mobile.

 

I've been very calm and understanding relating to fair criticism here, and discerning between that and personal attacks, something which I admit I didn't do all thar well when I first came here to S4GRU. However, this clearly is attacking me, especially AJ.l, who is just a blatant bully.

 

You know what, I know who are the good, caring people here are on this site, and to those who know I'm talking to, thank you for your support of me over time here and I mean that. To the others, if you attack me, yet ignore AJ's continuos immature and hostile attacks as being on-topic, then that is pure hypocrisy, and those who attack me here for the sake of what, making you feel good to I've a bully on the internet?

 

I've never bullied anyone here, never attacked anyone, never demeaned them, never insulted or criticized them for their posting. I've always engaged in fair debate, even with others who've disagreed on content but remained respectful to the right of fair speech. When I mention the things AJ attacks me for, its to tell you the truth of my situation. I am very ill, I am physically dying from a major neuropathic situation, and yet I come here to S4GRU to participate in wireless discussion with a group that despite there being a few people not kind to me, I've always believed most here to be very intelligent, caring people of both this community and wireless technology in which I've chosen to participate in, not to bully or be bullied, as that is harmful to me as it is anyone. Again this isn't addressing those who've given fair criticism to some of my discussion. There is a clear difference between that and what has gone on in this thread the past posts since my discussion ended with Travis.

 

To those criticizing my mentioning my mother, it is because I actually live with her because she is my legal caretaker, and there are restrictions I have as a wireless consumer that must go through her. I can't just be like most people here handling there own wireless accounts. I don't try to pretend otherwise, that I'm in a better situation where I can just call T-Mobile myself and complain, or just easily switch services, and whenever there is an issue, I do have to talk with her about it before anything can be done, so I tell people that as a way of understanding not to wonder why I cannot do that on my own, which again all stems from the fact that I'm in a very bad situation with my health. That is the honest situation, and being on a forum with a community of people, it is important for others to know for their own understanding of why those certain situations involving the topics on the forum may be different for them in their situation.

 

Regarding the T-Mobile Digits, this is a service I've been supportive of T-Mobile for since I heard of it. My past posts here reflect that. T-Mobile is offering this not as an addon service customers have to pay extra for, it its included in the plan. It essentially is a form of advanced call forwarding, which ought to be available for all devices. T-Mobile could have this built-in to the MyT-Mobile app, which actually is available for Windows on Lumia. I can even access MyT-Mobile through T-Mobile's website on the Lumia without having the app. Just the same as the T-Mobile Tuesdays service Again, it isn't about Digits not having an app available for Lumia, but is about not having any access to Digits through the Lumia whatsoever, which will affect all non-Android and iOS users. All T-Mobile would need to do to fix this, would be to have a smartphone-accessible website and not limit it to the PC, as TmoNews mentioned.

I haven't seen many particulars about digits but it seems very similar to google voice with Sprint full integration using Hangouts. If that's the case I probably wouldn't want to use it via web interface because it's just not the same experience.

 

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I think its one of those features either people will view as not being needed or others that really love it and use it regularly.

 

My view of Digits is that it is an advanced form of call forwarding mixed with the reduction of adding another line to your account, unless you want to and use it in the way you described. When I heard about it, I knew right away how it would help me. I want my mother to get a smartwatch, which may not match her smartphone where she could just use integration between those, like a Samsung S or Note with the Gear. She could use my Lumia once I would get the Sony Xperia XZ Premium I was planning to get with T-Mobile, and simply use her number on both the Lumia and a smartwatch.

 

Anyways, she called T-Mobile and didn't get much help. She's going to try again tomorrow, but if nothing happens, we may go back to Verizon, but avoid the store retail route this time by ordering online, or get Sprint online. I'm completely going to avoid wireless retail, and order devices unlocked away from carriers, such as the HTC 11 I'm considering. If we go with Verizon, my mother likely will just get the Wear24 smartwatch on her main number, and skip getting a smartphone.

I agree completely. What happens with Essential goes out of business, like LeEco or Nexbit? Or gives us crappy support like Huawei or OPO?

 

This offers nothing over the Galaxy S8 at a similar price point.

 

 

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Perhaps Essential could rename itself LeEssential. Or be bought by Razer and fade off into oblivion.

 

I'm thinking this Essential is going to fail just the same as the companies you mentioned. I wonder why with all the tech startups, one of these companies cannot come up with a truly revolutionary phone, especially as I've seen many great specs of concepts that regular online forum participants have made that look much better than anything currently bring made by both the major manufacturers and these startups.

Windows doesn't have a lot of marketshare for mobile phones. While it would be nice if they adopted support for digits, are you really surprised?

 

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I don't have any issue with T-Mobile not supporting Windows smartphones. I completely understand that. T-Mobile doesn't have an app for T-Mobile Tuesdays on Windows, which is fine, because T-Mobile allows customers to who don't have Android and iOS, to use the T-Mobile Tuesdays website to redeem awards. Now, while the website often doesn't work, at least for me it regularly goes to a blank screen linking to T-MobileTuesdays/OnDay, when that happens, T-Mobile is good about giving credits. So, that is well and good.

 

The problem with what T-Mobile is doing with Digits, is not that it is restricting the apps to Android and iOS, but it is not giving users of other OSes any alternative, unless they have a PC, which at the moment I don't see how that could be considered by them a reasonable alternative for those without an app, as for one, not everyone has a pc anymore, and another reason is that its not as convenient as looking up a website on a smartphone.

 

If T-Mobile gave customers without Android or iOS the ability to manage Digits on a smartphone through a website, that would be fine. Yet, according to the TmoNews article, it seems the only alternative is via a pc.

I'm not really an HTC fan, but I've got to admit the blue HTC 11 has me interested. I like this alot better than what HTC ended up doing with the HTC 10, that is for sure.

It looks like I'm either going to switch to Sprint or Verizon in the next few days, and I know better than to ever attempt to get a device directly from a carrier and especially from a carrier corporate retail store, so this might work out well, as most unlocked devices do for me.

Well, here is something I may leave T-Mobile for, unless they add-on the credits. I'd accept a discount offer on a phone, particularly in this case an Android or an iPhone, but at this time there's no point in my getting an iPhone when in a few months the new iPhone is released, and regarding Android, they won't be selling the Sony Xperia XZ Premium, and even if I waited to get a discount on the Note 8 through them, T-Mobile has always messed up on my phone orders, especially pre-orders, which is why I knew if I was to keep T-Mobile, I couldn't get a phone from them and just stick with what does work with T-Mobile, the service and rate deal.

 

Anyways, this is what I'm upset about, and I'll explain why (briefly, I promise) after the link :

http://www.tmonews.com/2017/05/t-mobile-digits-get-out-of-the-red-launch/

 

I've actually been looking forward to Digits, and I've mentioned it in a few posts I've written here on S4GRU. So then, what's the problem? It is this (remember I have the Microsoft Lumia 950xl) :

"T-Mobile offers Digits apps for Android and iOS so that you can access your Digits number on them. With these apps, you can even use a Digits number on a non-T-Mobile device. Digits functionality is built into the Galaxy S8 and S8+, Galaxy S7 and S7 edge, Galaxy S6, Galaxy S6 edge and edge+, and Galaxy Note 5. You can access Digits from a PC by pointing your browser at this website."

 

I understand T-Mobile not making every app of theirs for the Microsoft OS on the Lumia devices or older Blackberry OS devices. Yet despite the Lumia not having its own T-Mobile Tuesdays app, at least the Lumia is able to access TMT through its webpage on the Lumia's web browser (although it often doesn't work, but at least T-Mobile gives credits for this. Only giving an option for non-IOS/Android users to a PC, which many people don't have nowadays, due to having smartphones, is bad business.

 

I'll end there to keep it from being a long post on my thoughts, as promised. I'll update on further posts if any questions.

After being in East Kentucky over the weekend, it really hammers how how horrible the TMobile coverage map is, and it isn't even 700A coverage! Once they get 700A deployed there, I if the map doens't change at all, it will be a little more accurate, but still far from it.

While I'm looking forward to the deployment of the 600mhz spectrum, I'm not so much excited nor hopeful about the 700mhz spectrum helping very much here in the Chicago area, at least. Not that it won't help at all, but generally I'm not very optimistic about any spectrum that is 5x5.

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. Agreed and I'm thinking of dumping T-Mobile and going unlocked with a different carrier

 

 

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Which carrier are you considering, Dan? In all fairness, perhaps Verizon might be good for you. As I've mentioned here, I have nothing against Verizon's network and from my experience using Verizon's LTE, it was very good. AT&T is good too in certain areas, though I know others may not agree with AT&T being the best choice. Again, it really depends on where you live.

 

The way I look at the situation with your T-Mobile experience is if you're not happy with them, definitely switch. I'm only keeping them as the rate I get from them is great, too good to pass up, even with average network quality. Since at least it works for me well enough, that is worth keeping at the rate I get, which is $80 monthly for two lines with the Hookup offer. Then they give about $15 monthly in additional credits since three of every four weeks T-Mobile Tuesdays doesn't work. The Lumia 950xl doesn't have an app available for it, unlike iPhone and Android. The main website often appears blank on a site address called T-MobileTuesdays/OnDay.

Any body heard of sprint air pole.

Sprint Air Pole, hmm... I'm surprised Sprint's not calling it the "Magic Antenna".

It isn't really off topic. The posts were a continuation on the issue of what John Legere has been saying in the ads against Verizon. I decided to be devil's advocate in a way to suggest what if John Legere was right about Verizon, and a few responded with their thoughts regarding the state of Verizon in how Legere is wrong or not being honest. WiseGuy321 was the latest to respond to me by giving a perspective from the Verizon point of view, and also updating me of a few things regarding Verizon that counters what Legere was saying.

 

So in all, as it formed from John Legere's commentary, it is on topic. It would be different if we just suddenly brought up another carrier with no connection with T-Mobile in the news currently.

You are aware that 95% of those trade-in offers are only for users with recent smartphones right...?

Unless the policy has changed to be that way with the latest offers.

 

Some of the past offers made by Verizon were very generous, according to the Verizon employees I spoke with back when I was seeking out the best fitting carrier for my needs. If Verizon has changed that to be more restrictive to recent smartphones, then obviously they are no longer using this to get people onto LTE. Again though, that would be different from what I was aware of from past promotions.

Why should Verizon incentivize these things? They have nearly 2x the customers of T-Mobile or Sprint.

 

On the topic of leasing, it's not a great idea. $5 a month for every $100 of MSRP is ridiculous. Device prices are far too high and resale value is far too low be handing out phones at that price point. Not to mention, the large balloon payment that would be required at the end of the lease if you want to keep the phone.

I'll use an example here of my thinking for the $5 on every $100 idea.

 

Apple's program for the iPhone Plus model is around $45 monthly for a $900 phone, which is exactly $5 for every $100 of MSRP. Plus, you can trade it in after a year to upgrade. It is something I have considered getting in the past. I'm sure any wireless carrier could implement some sort of system like this with a flat fee, then small down payments, if necessary, or reimbursements at the end.

 

I admitted in the previous post that Verizon already is incentivizing trying to get customers over to LTE devices by offering their great deals on devices, such as amazing trade-in offers. Verizon should want to get their customers over on LTE as quickly as they can, as LTE is a huge advantage for the network over the older technologies.

 

 

Really not true. The Chicago market for example has 60-70 MHz deployed for LTE and 25 MHz left on CDMA for now. Pretty much everywhere I've been lately including very rural areas has more spectrum deployed on LTE than CDMA.

 

 

Not really many of those left. EVDO has already been moved off PCS and only a few 850 channels left in my area for example and it's never congested. 1x OTOH I'm sure still sees a lot of use.

I'll never doubt people here on S4GRU regarding their word against anything John Legere says. I don't trust him, obviously. Although, when he says something as he's been saying lately against Verizon, I have to at least take his word on the value of what he could be saying is so untrue that could possibly put him into trouble. I have to admit it looks like this claim about Verizon's speeds might do that, unkess he can back it up somehow

 

While spectrum isn't the only factor in determining speeds, obviously network is a big deal too, from site location, backhaul, etc. I've heard from many people verifying the positive reviews Verizon gets, but also some that say there needs to be more towers for the mid-band spectrum, and that Verizon was built mainly for its low-band spectrum. This could be a possible reason, if indeed the speeds are slowing.

 

I know if I get too frustrated again by Legere, enough to pass up the great discounted rate I have with T-Mobile, then I may end up going to Sprint or Verizon, though not directly through Verizon. I have Xfinity for Home Internet. I might get the Xfinity Wireless service to go with that.

You're forgetting that Verizon has far more legacy customers than T-Mobile. Customers who have non-LTE devices and don't want to upgrade.

 

That spectrum currently houses EVDO and 1x. They're slowly sunsetting older technology for LTE.

 

Verizon can't just pull EVDO offline, like TMo has done with HSPA in some markets.

 

 

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That is true about Verizon's legacy customers needing to be served by the other spectrum, though I question why they gave the 50% figure. If the other 50% of the spectrum truly is all being used for the non-LTE technologies, then Verizon may not be doing enough to get people to start switching to LTE.

 

I think there ought to be more incentives to do so. One of them in my opinion, is to merge the device installments of ownership with leasing. Such as having a 12-month lease period, with leasing of $5 per month for every $100 MSRP, $#49 to $#99 costs rounded up, under $#49 being used as a downpayment, then at the end of the term, either trade-in and continue to pay it off til full MSRP payment has been met.

 

I realize this idea wouldn't completely resolve the issue, but doing something regarding making an enticing offer on devices such as or similar to this would help. I know Verizon already has some of the best offers already on devices, which I think would be making a positive impact as it is on getting people on LTE devices.

Verizon easily beats out T-Mobile in my area for speed reliability in and quality in coverage but also they are not using 800 MHz yet for LTE it's still for CDMA

 

 

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Hi Dan,

 

I believe you, but also consider perhaps in your area Verizon might be using more spectrum than T-Mobile even has available to use there.

 

I'm not trying to defend T-Mobile, and they certainly have their faults I openly acknowledge, but they are very short of spectrum in certain markets. Once T-Mobile gets their 600mhz spectrum operating, and I have no reason to doubt T-Mobile won't use all of that spectrum as they are trying to do with the limited amount of spectrum they have now, T-Mobile will have a great network.

 

I'm more concerned about John Legere's antics being a problem for T-Mobile than their network in the future. Quite a few of those people complaining to him now about their issues with T-Mobile are getting very rude responses from him. That certainly is bad for T-Mobile, just as his cult-like megachurch-inspired conferences with T-Mobile employees.

Being a Sprint, Vzw, and Tmobile sub. There's no better carrier then Vzw. Hands down. Even with them getting hit hard with going to unlimited. They're re going to invest to meet all there needs.

 

Nextel, was once ran like that. Sadly, it never took hold at Sprint.

 

 

I had Verizon for a week some months ago prior to switching back to T-Mobile. I didn't leave Verizon because of their network, as their network was fine, no signal and no speed issues whatsoever. The reason for leaving Verizon was due to a major billing error caused by the corporate retail store salesperson we were dealing with, who prior to finding this out, I thought he was one of the best wireless salespeople I've ever dealt with.

 

Verizon generally seems to have more knowledgeable and professional salespeople at their retail stores, than the other carriers do, even though those at Verizon are a bit arrogant in their position. However, the issue with the billing was bad enough, and at the time T-Mobile was offering two lines for one with unlimited HD, along with the Hookup Discount offer. So, my mother and I switched back to T-Mobile.

 

Still, I'm not doubting Verizon's network from my own experience with them. Yet , its been a while since I left them. John Legere claims Verizon's network is suffering from Unlimited Data impacting its network speeds. Now, I don't particularly trust John Legere, and people here know of my discontent regarding Legere being at T-Mobile and my general negative view of him. However, if he's being truthful about Verizon, then of course Verizon ought to be deploying this spectrum, just the same as Sprint ought to be doing. After all, I'm less of a fan of spectrum squatters than I am of John Legere, and at least T-Mobile is using its spectrum. They just really need more of it.

I'm glad I'm not with Verizon anymore after reading about how they are only using half of their spectrum for LTE. If John Legere is to be believed, then Verizon ought yo be deploying their spectrum for LTE just as Sprint should with band 41. I'm not sure how these carriers could be content with seeing their speeds drop, if they easily could do something about it by deploying more spectrum.

 

I'd really like to know how much spectrum T-Mobile is using. If they're actually using it, then that validates T-Mobile's network claims and I'll respect John Legere for speaking up on the issue.

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LTE works in East Kentucky. Coverage is so-so. Speeds are solid ~20Mbps. It is fairly new fresh deployment, haven't run into 700A and grabbed onto even HSPA+.

I remember looking at the coverage maps for the various carriers years ago and noticed for a long time a greyed out zone somewhere in that region going towards West Virginia and was wondering when that was going to be covered.

Yeah, IP Board doesn't let us do that, to my knowledge. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

Robert

Robert, Please always keep IPBoard, or at least let us know if you are considering a change for whatever reason. IPBoard is my favorite of all the forum software. Although, I know how expensive this must be, considering the Cloud Hosting prices I've seen from the IPBoard site. They really charge alot based on the Users Online at any particular moment active.