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First sighting of 800 that I've had. B26 from the same site as well.

 

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I said there are TWO macro sites remaining downtown. The third, in the courthouse, is not a macro site. It's a DAS. It will not provide any relief to the network at large.

Oh sorry I didn't notice that when I took a glance at the map. My point still stands that sprint is near unusable while other carriers whose LTE networks are more mature do not have as much degradation in service.

Completing downtown will not help that. Maybe Band 41 will help, but when you put that many people in one place, no carrier is able to handle on the macro level. You have to have small cells. Either a DAS system, or pico cells, or just plain public WiFi. 

 

There are only two more macro sites to be completed downtown anyway.

There are 3 sites that are full legacy and they are the ones surrounding the stadium. Tmobile is very useable here during the game (not sure if they have small cells) as well as Verizon (again not sure about small cells).

Sprint really needs to get downtown done. I'm at the cards game and data is pretty much unusable. Had to switch to my tmo sim.

They will throttle people like this data abuser...

 

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Then maybe that's the problem. I actually HOPE that's the problem because that means that it would go away in time. As for the other members, all of that is irrelevant to me because here where I am, the issues with this phone are happening (there is no clearer way to say it). I only am concerned with how things are here since here - as I've already stated - is where I live..where I work..and where I play.

Have you successfully picked up any LTE with your Nexus 5? If not, I would try re-seating the SIM card.

 

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AT&T mvno's use LTE. I know of AIO, and GoPhone (not really an mvno). And doesn't h2o use LTE?

AT&T MVNO's/prepaid can use LTE... Verizon prepaid is 3G only.

 

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he didnt say EVDO though. he said 3G data. 1x IS 3G.

Oh right I forgot stock shows 1x as 3G.

 

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ofallon, MO or IL?

 

IL I assuming, since I don't think any b26 has hit the mo side yet?

Yes IL side. B26 is all over here

 

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More 26 in O'Fallon, this time with eCSFB.

 

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Just thought that I would mention that last evening, in the lowest level underground D Level of the garage where I work in Tysons Corner VA, I was getting strong 3G signal via 800mhz. The speeds were actually very Fast!

 

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There's no such thing as EVDO on 800MHz on Sprint's network. You were either on 1x800 data or very weak EVDO.

 

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So we have 11 pages of responses over something that may not, in all actuality, be terrible for even high data users. Has Sprint specified how low they would throttle the speeds? Not from what I have seen. I actually doubt that after NV they would throttle even the highest users to below 500kbps unless the site was severely over capacity (which would hopefully be rectified down the line by network engineers if it were constant). They just announced the Spotify deal. I highly doubt they would throttle to the point where many of the people they just signed would want to flee. They know, better than any company in America, that one unhappy customer tells about 7 people of his/her experience, whereas a happy customer typically only tells 2-3.

Sprint needs to be put a clear number on lots of things, for example with roaming its either 100MB or 300MB or a % of minutes used in a month. It isn't clear which plan that you have covers what amount, as the online usage amount just says '"see terms" instead of the actual number. Looking at the terms doesn't say what your exact terms are.

 

They just need to be clear, T-Mobile spells out their numbers quite clear for high speed data usage, not so much for low speed data speeds.

 

Straight talk/AIO are very clear with their high and low speed values.

 

My guess is to why Sprint isn't putting exact numbers to the throttling right now is that they don't really know, a work in progress and if they put a speed number, people will complain that they don't even get that speed anyway.

 

The Sprint marketing dept makes me think if they think these days.

You don't see an exact number and instead see them using the word "prioritization" because that is what they are doing. Network prioritization is not the same as a hard throttle. Network prioritization basically means that the people in the 95% will have priority over the 5% during times of congestion. There's no specific speed the 5% will be throttled to because their requests are simply going to be assigned a secondary priority to the 95%. It will work very similarly to how QoS systems do, only with multiple mobile devices instead of data types.

 

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I don't think csfb is the only cause. I'm sure it isn't a conspiracy but the .23 radios on the N5 seem to be keeping everyone from connecting to much of the upgraded equipment out there. Since I down graded my radios to .15 I'm now able to grab and hold LTE signal far longer than ever before. Definitely a problem with software not hardware.

.23 drops the LTE signal quicker at low levels because 3g is faster once LTE drops below -110 or so. .15 will cause you to miss calls and texts if it connects to a non-eCSFB tower and you won't realize it. .17 fixes the eCSFB issue because it won't connect to towers that don't have it. It also holds LTE longer even when dropping to 3G would be better.

 

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Google usually updates their apps on Wednesdays, but as to system updates - no real pattern.

Beginning of the week for system updates so that they can monitor the rollout.

 

I haven't read that early but the build date was in march right? That is weird

 

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That's not out of the ordinary. Releases go through lots of testing before being approved. Also, there could still be a build bump before we see the release. The changelog is not necessarily complete.

 

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Wasnt that what framily was?

 

A price hike for new users AND video throtelling.

Video throttling was in place before framily existed.

 

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I just want to know what the throttled speed will be. 512, 1mb et. ..

 

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I don't think there will be a specific speed they throttle to. The FAQ states that "the customer will be subject to network prioritization for the following month." They don't name a hard throttle because there isn't one. High data users will simply have a lower priority attached to their requests.

 

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B26 east of STL (Illinois).  No CSFB yet.

 

 

Nice! What area is this

 

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Metro east. No CSFB with B26 yet... I had to use the .15 radio on my Nexus 5 to connect.

 

EDIT: More specifically there is B26 in Fairview, Swansea, Shiloh, and O'Fallon.

Oh hi there B26

 

 

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Is there any evidence of a second B25 carrier being added in the STL area? I know sprint got the extra PCS spectrum from the U.S. Cellular deal.

 

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They must be adding 800 voice to towers around my house. My n5 has been parked on 800 for the past 30ish minutes. However someone tried to call me and it was really broken up and choppy then cut out and dropped the call. I'd post the screen shot from signal check but I'm not sure if/what I need to edit out.

 

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You don't need to cut anything from the signal check screen. The only thing that can't be posted in public forums is the site ID, which signal check can't/doesn't even show.

 

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The network might be shunting you over to 3G to balance the load so data can be used by everyone connected to the tower. I know it is supposed to do that between LTE bands but my guess it can do it between 3G and LTE as well. I've seen this happen before too

 

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Yeah I realize that, which is why I mentioned I was at a crowded event when I noticed it. Haven't seen it outside of those conditions.

 

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In the instances I do get LTE I have noticed that my n5 switches to 3G around -101 RSRP. Is that a normal threshold for such a switch? I would think it a bit early as there is always usable LTE so long as I force LTE.

I was seeing this earlier at a crowded event. LTE signal was coming in at levels of -95 and above but I was occasionally forced onto 3G or even 1x.

 

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No connection between B25 and 1x800, When you initiate a call, your phone should switch to voice 1xRTT or 1x800 despite of LTE signal. 

 

But if you do happen to lose LTE, it should switch to 3G of some type, which would display 1x800 or 1xRTT.

Yeah I understand that, but my point is that I'm seeing less of 1xRTT and more of 1x800 almost all of the time despite being in a location where 1x800 is unnecessary.

 

EDIT: I just tested with a phone call from LTE and it fell back to 1xRTT despite it picking up 1x800 if I switch to 2G/3G mode.

I am in an area with a lot of 1x800 deployed and my Nexus 5 always seems to jump on 800 when it falls off of LTE (B25).  It seems like the network has started prioritizing 800MHz because this didn't really happen until recently.  Does anyone else experience this?