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Can you rephrase? I don't get it.

And ATT will be an eager buyer: 20x20 MHz of a proprietary band. Add that to: • the WCS band (proprietary) • Band 17 700 MHz • the 700 MHz band for supplemental downlink it got from Qualcomm • Band 5 - 850 MHz • Band 2 (though Tmobile could refarm its 5x5 GSM for LTE) And it might be able to squeeze out Tmobile from having phones that are subsets of ATT's LTE spectrum. Yes, ATT has AWS left but AJ said they might not deploy it at all because they lost much of its scale when they lost it to TMO in the breakup fee. Couldn't all those MBAs deduce this was Charlie's plan when he first started bidding?

It turns out Charlie knew what he was doing: "If Jerry Seinfeld was to do one of his "AHA MOMENT" episode endings staring into the camera, he would end the show with, "So all you really wanted was $4 billion more for the spectrum to sell to AT&T so you could get a better deal merging DISH with DirecTV (DTV) Charlie! Wise Man!" And DISH shares are starting to reflect his wisdom:" http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/1526602

I like this one.Though I think it'd be even more impressive if you could use more of the song lol.

They're removing most of them from its network: 68k towers to 39k towers. That's where much of the cost savings from NV is coming from: removing redundant towers. With Direct Connect on CDMA SMR 800 MHz, Sprint has no need for the Nextek towers. Also, Direct Connect will be available even while roaming on VZW albeit with possibly some additional latency in the call setup.Also, you know they don't own any of those, right? They lease them. I don't think Sprint outright owns any of its towers. Someone else on forums said some of the Nextel lease agreements were really bad and that on many of the towers, Sprint was sole leasee. So, maybe once the site owner sees that they have an empty tower, they'll give Speint better lease rates and Sprint will come back to that tower.

Oh well that's different. Tmobile could very well be lying. Are you aware that ATT completely lied regarding how expensive it would be to rollout LTE without buying Tmobile? An un-redacted document did them in. http://www.broadbandreports.com/r0/download/1678331~018ee90413e657e412818181a5d840ff/DOC.pdf What he stated is that Tmobile double-counted GSM and W-CDMA panels as two "towers" "Is T-Mobile counting GSM and W-CDMA panels separately, for example. I am just not buying it. Otherwise, T-Mobile should be a world beater in urban areas."

Shouldn't this quote from Philip Humm, former CEO of TMO, be the final proof that 37k is ONLY 3g/4g towers? "Yeah, so I think, the additional incremental CapEx basically reflect that we want to role out LTE to our total 3G, 4G footprint, which is about 37,000 sites. And so to achieve a full modernization and then LTE rollout, this is then the number we – at the end of the day we’ll need to do that." http://seekingalpha.com/article/391451-deutsche-telekom-s-ceo-discusses-q4-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=single

You're new here so you haven't gotten used to AJ's tone. He's not accusing you of lying. He's expressing his skepticism at these numbers given his experience with cell networks and comparing Tmobile vs Sprint.

Touche. Though their press release states cell sites, though I guess you could fudge that also? "approximately 51,000 cell sites, the vast majority of which are leased from third parties, as is common in the industry across the US"

What about the link he posted? T-Mobile’s nationwide network remains unchanged today, consisting of approximately 51,000 cell sites, the vast majority of which are leased from third parties, as is common in the industry across the US. http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=251624&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1804179&highlight=

Awesome! Can't wait to see what AJ's response is now that it's official. Though I am sad that Tmobile is not upgrading its entire footprint to LTE but only the 37,000 that are currently HSPA+.

Nope, there is absolutely no confusion. T-Mobile has 37,000 HSPA+ sites, but another additional 14,000 EDGE / GRPS sites, for a total of 51,000 sites. Source : GigaOM (that article was written one month before MetroPCS and T-Mobile even announced their merger) http://gigaom.com/2012/09/28/t-mobile-sheds-its-towers-in-exchange-for-a-2-4b-infusion/ I think Sprint has a larger "footprint" (in that, they cover more square miles). But I believe T-Mobile actually has a larger "network" (in that, T-Mobile owns and runs more cell sites than Sprint does). I know in my market, this is definitely true -- Sprint has more land technically covered, but their sites are spread out very far apart. T-Mobile's covers significantly less ground, but the coverage they do have is easily twice as dense, in terms of towers per square mile. - - - Sprint used to manage something like 70,000k sites, but I think as part of Network Vision, they are turning that down to just 38,000k sites. (I know the T-mobile numbers for sure, but I'm less confident about these Sprint numbers). If this is true, then Sprint (after network vision completes) will have a smaller network than T-Mobile does. Source #1 : http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2012/03/sprint-plans-44-drop-cell-sites Source #2 : http://gigaom.com/2012/02/08/sprint-can-barely-wait-to-rid-itself-of-nextel-network/ The confusion comes from the fact that some articles seem to conflict. It'd be nice to hear it straight from the horse's mouth i.e. an article quoting the CEO or CTO.

Several years ago I had a couple of BB devices, first CDMA then iDen only because we had terrible reception at the time we lived there with CDMA and speaking of personal experience the Iden network worked flawless in fact it's signal reception penetrated our home flawlessly and always had 4 full bars and great performance. I meant confirmation that at 11:59 there was a Nextel signal and that now, there is no more signal.

Can we get confirmation from someone who had an actual working Nextel phone? Also, preferably one from each timezone.

Are we gonna have a countdown for if/when TMO shuts down GSM?

How old is the equipment in Tmobile's 2G-only towers? What's the range in age? Are they now really only replacing their broken 2G equipment with 3G? That seems to contradict the TMO+MetroPCS articles wherein TMO CEO says they're keeping 10MHz for GSM for international roaming and M2M. If, as their 2G dies, they only replace it with 3G (minus the backhaul) then won't they start seeing holes in their international roaming and M2M coverage?

I wonder if animals everywhere will go: "there's a disturbance in the force!" when iden stops broadcasting.

Is most of Tmobile's coverage 2G or 3G/4G?Does Sprint or Tmobile have more native 3G/4G? Cause when you're on 2G, I don't think it matters whether you're native or roaming cause it's not as if you can go over your roaming data limits very easily on 2G.

This quote is slightly out of date with respect to their HSPA+21 coverage: according to Tmobile's recent press releases, they cover 225 million with HSPA+21 or faster. But I wouldn't be surprised if the HSPA+42 coverage is the same. "T-Mobile currently operates an HSPA+42 network covering 184 million POPs and an HSPA+21 network covering more than 200 million POPs." Read more: T-Mobile's Ray: We will be first carrier to deploy integrated radios in N. America - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobiles-ray-we-will-be-first-carrier-deploy-integrated-radios-n-america/2012-03-01#ixzz2XepsvTi3 Subscribe at FierceWireless

T-Mobile USA currently runs its network across some 37,000 cell sites. http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20120917/tower/sba-signs-tower-extension-t-mobile-usa/#_

T-Mobile USA currently runs its network across some 37,000 cell sites. http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20120917/tower/sba-signs-tower-extension-t-mobile-usa/#_

My bad. Typing on my phone and I didn't proof it. That's what happens when your excited and don't pay attention to what your doing. What about your/you're

This isn't true. T-Mobile has 50k+ of sites total in the US. (the sum of both GRPS/EDGE sites and HSPA+/LTE sites). T-Mobile owned all of these sites before MetroPCS ever merged. 37,000 of them are already semi-modernized already (in that, they run either HSPA+ 21 or HSPA+42, today). All of these sites will get LTE (eventually) if they haven't already gotten LTE. The other 25% of those sites are GRPS / EDGE, and will remain EDGE-like speeds. Sometimes, when the equipment fails, TMO puts HSPA+ on old EDGE sites. But it's usually just an equipment replacement, not a backhaul upgrade, so they get "2G" only speeds. (Similar to what Sprint did pre-network-vision where they slapped EVDO radios on a single T1 line, and called it "3G", T-Mobile is replacing failed GRPS / EDGE sites with HSPA+ 21 radios, but leaving the backhaul at a single T1 and calling it "3G") MetroPCS's sites don't figure into either of the two above numbers in any way (those numbers were announced before the TMO / Metro deal was officially announced). Its could also be AWS. I hear that due to lower allowed transmission power it has a reduced coverage radius compared to PCS. This is a common myth. AWS is really close / essentially identical in terms of transmission power and coverage radius. Many people believe AWS is lower, because T-Mobile chooses to run their sites at reduced power. But that's not a symptom of the AWS spectrum, that's a choice T-Mobile makes. (And I'm not a T-Mobile engineer, so I don't know why they make that choice.) You can see this for yourself by doing a site survey. Find a tower where T-Mobile and MetroPCS are colocated, you can measure the output on AWS. MetroPCS (usually) runs their AWS at full power, and you can measure this at a noticable increase over T-Mobile, who (usually) runs their AWS slightly underpowered. I don't know why they do this, but I have measured it, and can confirm it does happen. There is only one national roaming partner for T-Mobile and thats AT&T and they are not playing ball. I don't believe this is true. My understanding is that, as part of the T-Mobile + AT&T aquisition failing, T-Mobile got a complete, nationwide, 3G roaming agreement at a fixed price for a long length of time (something like 7 years). However, T-Mobile has a bad habit of purposely blocking roaming in many areas. AT&T is available, it works, runs fine, but T-Mobile specifically disallows all of their subscribers from connecting to AT&T in many areas. This leads to a big split in usable coverage. Sprint's roaming with Verizon works almost everywhere, so a user gets a lot more effective coverage. T-Mobile's roaming with AT&T is blocked (on T-Mobile's side) in a good chunk of areas, so users get less usable roaming coverage. 1) can you provide a source/link for the 50k towers? Over in the "tmo LTE vs Sprint LTE" thread this has split even the mods. 2) what do you mean "for a fixed price"? Tmobile has domestic roaming limits which would make no sense if its users could have unlimited roaming for one fixed price to Tmobile. https://t-mobile.jive-mobile.com/#jive-document?content=%2Fapi%2Fcore%2Fv2%2Fdocuments%2F3299

What's interesting is the shutdown date WAS 2021 so I wouldn't be surprised to see it slide further. "Verizon Wireless (NYSE:VZ) plans to shutter its 2G and 3G CDMA networks by 2021, giving the carrier close to a decade to move its customers off those networks and onto its LTE network." Read more: Updated: Verizon Wireless to sunset 2G and 3G CDMA networks by 2021 - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-wireless-sunset-2g-and-3g-cdma-networks-2021/2012-10-10#ixzz2XdgE5jKz Subscribe at FierceWireless

I've been thinking about this the last couple of days between this chat and a couple others. If Verizon is moving somewhat quickly to VOLTE and refarming EVDO carriers to LTE, once they get to a point where they have less CDMA and possibly no EVDO coverage wouldn't a large part of Sprint's roaming area all but disappear? With no roaming on LTE, what would Sprint's roaming coverage look like then? I know this is a long way off, just wondering. I agree with AJ. And I would further add that by the time CDMA roaming starts to disappear en masse, Sprint will probably have VoLTE devices out and Verizon will likely be providing LTE roaming either by choice or FCC requirement. Robert from Note 2 using Tapatalk 4 Beta Would this only apply to 600 MHz roaming since the licenses haven't yet been issued? Or can the FCC require LTE roaming retroactively on any band it wants to? LTE band 5 is a subset of Band 26 so that'd be a good candidate for forced roaming when V regards it.