EarlyMon

 

 

I think Qualcomm is having such a difficult time getting usable dual-core chips out of TSMC, it will be a while before TSMC has enough capacity to bake quad-core chips in large numbers.

Are you going by the blogosphere accounts of financial chat with Qualcomm?

If so, per usual, the blogosphere hacked that transcript and added to it whole cloth.

The supply is going to lower for a bit this year but I don't believe that it's a yield problem. I believe that the public record only shows that supply is within band of original projections but that the demand projections were much lower than actual demand.

Won't Motorola phones become more "unlocked" or "free" now that it's owned by Google?

That's my hope, but it's uncertain. We know Google will replace the CEO and we can hope for a cultural shift only, as Google has promised to stay hands off. And they sell a lot to Verizon, who are head over heels in love with anything locked down protecting their phoney baloney bloatware.

And then too, we have to consider timing involved.

And whether the cultural shift will also take away our sd cards.

Questions, questions.

I am not discounting the possibly that Motorola management will change and meet the promise to lose the encrypted bootloader (the real problem behind the lock).

I run the engineering bootloader on my Evo and decided not to on my 3vo, so that's simply unlocked with s-off.

I'm the EarlyMon from AF who broke down the leaked 3vo schematic and explained what to expect, and the same one often misquoted on that by the XDA script kiddies trying to exploit the hardware. Same also as the one who provided helper scripts at XDA for running Ubuntu on a 3vo.

So, lollercopters yes, I care about rooting.

I just don't want to not give Moto a chance to do good.

PS - yes, I am like you, some of us use one id regardless of forum.

There are things I like about Samsung devices. There are things I like about HTC devices. However, I would consider any OEM for a flagship device, if it had the specs and build quality I'm looking for. Especially if the price is on point.

I agree.

Except this time around I feel like I am choosing more based on which of two screwed up the least. I am sure that's just me, and that sounds pessimistic but it is what it is.

My personal comparison -

High tech HD screen on both - check.

ICS with advanced overlay on both - check.

Probably S4 used on both - check.

Expanded storage sufficient for my needs on both - check.

Larger battery on both - check.

LTE love - check.

Decent enough camera for a cell phone on both - check.

Yes, there are a bit of nuances and differences, but unless Samsung disappoints in radios, the only real driver for me, aside from not liking SAMOLED quite a bit, is the kickstand. It's a feature that I miss.

I think that in my case, I am simply going to wait and see what Motorola does before deciding.

I get the other camera differences in spades, please believe me.

 

 

yeah the One series camera is stout....not buying that one lil bad review over all the amazing ones it got...

Considering that the LTEvo uses Samsung sensors for both cameras, I can't wait to see blogosphere comparisons. /sarcasm

Almost a certainly that the Sprint version of the SGS3 will be getting the S4.

Like the LTEvo.

Not much differentiating the two phones as far as performance, other than how they'll each do on radios.

Ok I stand corrected.....No SVDO....bummer

Unless AJ can chime in and tell us how he got to that, in which case, I'll stand corrected.

Good news if I'm right - if you like to root and tinker, having SVDO did require proprietary bits under the hood and gave no end of grief to the HTC Thunderbolt community. So, it's a win or lose deal, depending on your perspective.

PS, here's pg 6 of the above doc -

(Delayed due to remembering my Flickr password, LoL.)

The Sprint version does support SVDO

That would require modem support. As detailed at http://s4gru.com/ind...dpost__p__12071

Specifically this quote from the Qualcomm S4 white paper that I think you'll find linked there -

* Simultaneous voice and data: For LTE handsets, the 8960 modem enables UMTS/GSM voice and LTE data (CSFB), as well as simultaneous CDMA voice with LTE data (SVLTE).

I'm going to respectfully disagree that it supports SVDO, unless you have some source reference that I've missed.

EDIT and PS - Yes, I'm aware of this claim by our own - http://s4gru.com/ind...fcc-oet-filing/

But SVDO is a nice perk, as internal Sprint documents had not indicated its inclusion.

However, I'm uncertain as to the basis for the claim.

Referring to page 6 of 45 of this document - https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=1653714

I don't see anything there that suggests SVDO. Perhaps WiWavelength (AJ?) will chime in.

Yes, Star Trek IV coming to real life. Would they have called it transparent aluminum if it wasn't in Star Trek?

Given that my Evo would print enough money to buy me an island and then transform into a jet and fly me there, I think that if EL TEvo is capable of protecting the future planet by saving the whales, and I'll go on record here and now as strongly suspecting that it will be able to do exactly that, then I'm going to have to agree that this whole Gorilla Glass thing is a smokescreen to protect the Temporal Prime Directive.

So - yes. Yes, they would have called it that.

I would also mention that there's some confusion whether the LTEvo has Gorilla Glass or Gorilla Glass 2, see - http://www.stuff-review.com/2012-04/htc-one-x-is-protected-by-the-original-corning-gorilla-glass-not-2/

However - even though they called HTC and got OG Gorilla Glass (OGGG, how's that? ), I think it's best to remember that during the 3vo (HTC EVO 3D) prerelease, HTC kept insisting that it didn't have GG - until they started saying that it did. So - depending on whom you talk to at HTC, I'd expect the confusion to continue for a while.

I have some friends using the GNex that claim for a fact that the fortified glass used on it isn't as scratch-resistant as the OGGG, don't have one, don't have an opinion.

In any case, if you go without a screen protector, avoid sand. GG is tough, but it's not transparent aluminum - it's glass.

Impressive, isn't it?

Yes, the S4 modem supports simultaneous CDMA voice with LTE data (SVLTE).

Shamelessly recycling a post from AF, showing the power advantage of the S4 in the One X -

Holy smokes. Anandtech checked out the ATT HTC One X powered by the S4 - this is the power and graphics thread, let's see what they found at AnandTech - The HTC One X for AT&T Review

This particular graph doesn't tell the full story however. In practice the AT&T One X seems to last a lot longer using LTE than any LTE Android phone we've tested in the past. Nipping at the heels of the RAZR MAXX, we need to look at normalized battery life to get an idea of just how efficient the new 28nm LTE enabled SoC is:

Engadget today claimed 5 minutes under 10 hours for continous video.

And the LTEvo battery has an 11% higher mAh rating.

Color me rather impressed.

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BTW, I think that we established that the LTEvo won't support SVDO.

http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/742-sprint-800-mhz-lte-set-for-launch-in-2014/page__view__findpost__p__12071

For the many frustrated here and writing to me on AF, and upset that explanations are not forthcoming, so far as I know, a ped test is given to athletes to see if they're on performance boosting drugs and juicing is a way of beating the drug test.

I could be wrong. I often am. Maybe not in this case.

Hope this helps.

...seriously, watch some of his other videos....

Yeah. No. Gonna take a pass on that. :D

Gotcha.

On the other forum, I'm constantly fighting the battle cry that because multiple modems are misperceived as radio transceivers, people on Sprint and Verizon are always incorrectly concluding that upcoming handsets with S3 or S4 Qualcomms are automatically world phones.

Different venues, different problems.

Pretty handy, it's a bbcode that brackets like this - [hide] [/hide]

And then toggle as "Show" and "Hide" buttons when in use, example here - http://androidforums...tml#post4234496

(Note that I gave the thread citation, for the forum here, a few posts earlier over there, and I never take credit for others work. )

Hide tags are great - allows for the occassional off-topic side chatter added to mainline discussions, so people can share useful tangents without derailing threads.

Also useful to collapse youtubes, so that browsers (mobile browsers especially) don't have to pre-load shockwave/flash content on videos that may never be clicked. (Although this last use takes more discipline on users parts, but worth it when they get the hang of it.)

PS - I have reached my daily quota for positive feedback (thanks, likes) - hard on a guy as greatful as me.

No, actually, it is not a myth. Qualcomm QSC family chipsets include both modem and radio transceiver on the same chipset, while other Qualcomm chipsets interface with a separate radio transceiver (e.g. WTR1605). That said, "radio" is often colloquially used synonymously with "modem," as separate radio transceivers do not get a lot of discussion.

 

AJ

Sorry, I thought that the discussion was about the MSM series main processors, but you're right, I was not specific.

Does the EVO 4G LTE contain an unmentioned second Qualcomm modem so as to enable SVDO? Or does the S4 MSM8960 internally contain multiple radios, such that it can do SVDO by itself? Those are the greater questions right now.

 

AJ

And the use of modem and radio are kept separate on another forum I'm accustomed to, where the actual radio chips are discussed separately, but that's just my mileage varying.

PS - Consider your post liked, I'm at my quota for today, can't push the like button.

Now that's just down right backwards... slang is supposed to make it shorter, not add any letters.

 

I leave my secret decoder ring at home all the time so forgive me if I call the phones by their correct names.

Well, we put it to a vote and it's all in good fun - and LTEvo is two fewer keystrokes than LTE EVO or Evo LTE.

Many thanks! That makes sense.

To be honest, I'm pretty happy with my 3G service, and I'm more interested in having LTE replace my home DSL (7 Mbps down, peaks around 12 Mbps). Close, but not enough, for HD video streaming. I'd gladly pay for a solution for that.

I haven't been trying to follow any pricing, but I don't expect LTE to be tiered, any more than WiMax was, so I'm otherwise interested just to know what to expect with new handsets, at first. I see people posting LTE SpeedNet test results on Verizon and I'm more than skeptical of the values reported, and far from able to see the point for a phone.

In any case, I expect throughput to decrease as load increases, and if we're pariticipating (by paying our monthly subscriptions) in a buildout that will ensure high-speed downloads and good mobile service no matter where I travel in the US, I am more than all for that.

Yep, computermaster. I couldn't imagine how to make a video more inflammatory, but just had to ask.

Thanks, no problem on 1x Advanced. I am trying to determine if this is fact or fraud, from a guy claiming that he'd tested LTE and 3G in San Antonio, results consistent with EV-DO Rev B (sorry for the typo above) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5kmsBXVso

OK, so cdma rev B is not part of NV?

Those of us already getting better than 1 Mbps on 3G can expect no improvement?

Absolutely hating that our Shift is out of it for any NV advantages, but oh well.

Of the popular phone specifications round-up sites, it appears that phonescoop.com is the one that cares about the cellular vs ESMR distinction.